I am still trying to work out why Simon stopped the singer singing "Why God Why" from Miss Saigon, but not with the buzzer.

He loved him, as did most people that heard him sing, as it was obvious he was talented, even if you do not like that kind of singing or musicals.

So why did he stop him mid song, as he could have just used the buzzer, but he liked his singing.

It was really strange.

He liked him, just didn't like the song.

It was part of the "theatre", and to paint the guy as "up against it!" but still pulling through.

Complete bollocks.

So he should have just pressed the buzzer, as he could have ruined the singers chances.

It seems at times that Simon has rules just to suit him.

No he doens't. He controls the whole kit and caboodle.

This Boro lad is being cynically painted as the musical theatre version of Billy Elliott!

"Way aye man, I cannat sing me show tunes in case they kick ma heid in!"

Patronising beyond belief.

Yep definately seen right through this from the first second.

It's such a setup and pure manipulation.

The problem is that very few people are clever enough to realise this.

Very odd and all somewhat pointless. Didn't think the singer was that amazing, very nice tone on the lower parts of the song and fantastic presence but out of tune on the top notes.

But all so so so staged.

I am glad it was not me that thought it was staged.

That's exactly the point. He's not amazing, but he's physically attractive to women and so very sellable which will make Simon a ton of cash.

If he just did the performance we'd have forgotten him.

Yeah but he's a working class lad striving to break free of the prejudices of the northern male to achieve his potential. He's so driven that even Simon telling him to stop doesn't phase him.

That's star potential!!!

So i suppose he just learned his act in his bedroom and modified his own clothes.

Either that or he travels to the 'forward thinking' South to some sort of performing arts school every week.

I thought Simon stopped him because he wanted him to change song, not because he didn't like him and wanted to say no to the performance.

I really didn't see what was so great about the kid either. He looked the part, but I didn't really think he sounded it.

Indeed! I don't know who should be more insulted, the TV audience, or the good folk of Boro for being painted as cultural neanderthals!

It doesn;t matter about the song, he wasn't doing a bad job.

Usually simon would say at the end he doesnt like that song and ask him to perform something else, but this way it makes it seem much more interesting to the gullable viewer.

He wasn't doing a bad job, but Simon didn't want to listen to it. I guess he felt the boy could do a much better job on a different song, so why continue this one when he could get him to change it much faster? I didn't think there was anything too calculated about it if I'm honest.

Yes, that's what they're hoping you think.

Or maybe it's the truth? Not everything has to be a conspiracy. Are you suggesting that, before the judges had even heard the boy they'd already started planning about getting him to stop a few seconds into the song?

All of the acts are pre-selected before they see the judges. I thought that was common knowledge?

Pre-selected by whom, the judges? If not, then are you suggesting someone left Simon a note telling him to stop the kid a few seconds in pretending to hate the song?

I think it's a little bit better planned than that.

The acts are pre-slected just like X Factor. Good acts mixed with the care in the community ones for us to laugh at. Do you think they film EVERY contestant and throw away the film for the ones who don't have a sob story?

I assumed they'd go round looking at contestants waiting, and select ones they'd think are interesting to video, and if they turn out not to be, move on to the next. If they knew which contestants would go through, or who they favoured then surely every contestant to ever get through to the final rounds would have their own film story in the audition rounds, but they don't. Some purely have their auditions.

We'll agree to disagree then.

Enjoy Billy Ellliott: the sequel!

He wasn't that good a singer or dancer. He had a kind of presence, but he was OTT without the real talent to back it up.

Haha, ok, agreed. I can carry on thinking you're being pessimistic and you can carry on thinking I'm being ignorant. Shame we'll never know who's right.

Sorry but you're looking at it far too simplisticly.

The producers sit and watch every act, and choose the ones that have talent plus the ones who make good TV. Simon is a producer but I doubt he'll sit through the all the acts. He'll have given someone clear instructions on what to look out for (someone who he can sell to the general public - almost always certain to be a singer £££) and when this person comes along simon is told, they work out a plan on how to make the viewing public vote for him, be it some sort of sob story (even if it is a piss poor one ala Leon X Factor) or something else. The way it was handled tonight means that the audience get behind the guy and will him to succeed, even though he wouldn't have blown them away with his performance.

Lets face it everyone involved in the show are basically the Devil reincarnated. Ant and Dec, Amanda, Piers and Simon most of all. Even the guys mother will know about the setup, but hey, what wouldn't you do to help your son fulfill his dream?