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Has Raef got this sewn up?
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bluejools
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Mr_Predictor:
“He will be fired before the final 4.

My predictions stand at

Week 9: Michael Fired
Week 10: Claire Fired
Week 11: Raef Fired”

hmmmm..because your predictions are always accurate arent they?
Jazz_Misuc
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by bluejools:
“hmmmm..because your predictions are always accurate arent they?”

his predictions are right most of the time.
Hullensian
15-05-2008
I can't even see Raef getting close to winning it.

This is the bloke who labelled the boxes of fish wrong in the first task (after shirking the responsibilty of being project manager). And then when he was PM he was drinking coffee while Simon was organising things at the laundry.

And his contribution last night was negligible.
apprentice_fan
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by talbotsunbeamer:
“I just didn't see the genius in going for the expensive, designer dresses. It was the obvious choice considering the requirement to maximise takings for the day. They only had to sell a couple, whereas the other team needed to sell about eight to keep a level pegging.

If you go to the NEC for a wedding show, there's likely to be two obvious facts about you:

a. You're fed up of seeing the same stuff in your local High Street and are seeking some original designs/material.

b. You're clearly prepared to spend good money. If you weren't, why make the effort to travel to the show?

It was a complete no brainer and so rather than compliment Raef on having common sense, I feel that Helene should have been fired and made to hang her head in shame.”

You're right. But we just have to remember that Claire, Lee, and Helene all went against it!!!
bluejools
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Jazz_Misuc:
“his predictions are right most of the time. ”

mr predictor also claimed lindi was his aunt and that he was a family friend of jennifer saunders.
bluejools
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Hullensian:
“I can't even see Raef getting close to winning it.

This is the bloke who labelled the boxes of fish wrong in the first task (after shirking the responsibilty of being project manager). And then when he was PM he was drinking coffee while Simon was organising things at the laundry.

And his contribution last night was negligible.”

disagree.because you dont like him youve picked out the couple of minor hickups hes had in all these weeks.
agreed last night wasnt his finest hour but hes overall one of the strongest candidates left.if sir alan wants a strong,loyal and supportive apprentice he need look no further than raef.
pogogal18
15-05-2008
i do think raef will get to the interview stage

but beyond that i dont know- i mean this build up of raef being the good guy and being a great person and making great descisions will have gone to waste and you have to think whether they are doing this for a reason his editing is fantastic they could have easily omitted the part where he decides they go for expensive dresses and made lucinda out to be the one decided it

it will be a great injustice if he doesent coz then it would mean the likes of alex who always gets away with evertytrhing wins over someone like raef

i think raef does a good job next week and lucindas team loses

it looked like that from promos of next week

it would make sense if lucinder is fired then the week after that its claire and then michael raef lee helene and alex make the final- from there i dont know
Hullensian
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by bluejools:
“disagree.because you dont like him youve picked out the couple of minor hickups hes had in all these weeks.
agreed last night wasnt his finest hour but hes overall one of the strongest candidates left.if sir alan wants a strong,loyal and supportive apprentice he need look no further than raef.”

Well apart from him saying he'd prefer to go for the designer dresses last night, which wasn't that brilliant if you think about it (see talbotsunbeamer's post above), what else has he actually done?

The one occasion where I thought he did shine was when he stuck up for Sara.
britchick_99702
15-05-2008
I personally don't think Raef needs this to be a success. I think he would get all kinds of offers after everything is over and done with if he doesn't get through to the final.
marks thespot
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Hullensian:
“Well apart from him saying he'd prefer to go for the designer dresses last night, which wasn't that brilliant if you think about it (see talbotsunbeamer's post above), what else has he actually done?

The one occasion where I thought he did shine was when he stuck up for Sara.”

It was actually very risky and could have gone pear shaped, so i don't think he was "brilliant", just lucky!
gilliedew
15-05-2008
As much as I like Raef, I feel he has been hiding under the radar for too long.

As Lucinda said this week, "What does he actually do"

He speaks well, but has shown little else and has shown he does not work out of his comfort zone as easily as many of the others.

He is a wonderful diplomat and this will stand him well but I have that dreaded feeling he is going to go very soon.
Sid_1979
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Hullensian:
“I can't even see Raef getting close to winning it.

This is the bloke who labelled the boxes of fish wrong in the first task (after shirking the responsibilty of being project manager). And then when he was PM he was drinking coffee while Simon was organising things at the laundry.

And his contribution last night was negligible.”

[LIST=1][*]Alex managed Raef on the first task and never picked up on the incorrectly labelled fish either.
[*]Raef was not merely drinking coffe during the laundry task. He was out and about generating business and when he returned to the laundrette he grafted as hard as the rest of the lads. Simon had no complaints about Raef's behaviour on the task, so why should we?
[*]In many ways Raef made the greatest contribution last night because the task depended heavily on the products that were selected. It was Raef's insistence on choosing the higher priced items that ultimately clinched victory for his team.[/LIST]
*Laura*
15-05-2008
I don't know. I like him but, I just can't see him winning. He does seem to be a good player and will always gather a "consensus" before making a decision but, I just don't think he's SAS's type.
Fox8
15-05-2008
Perhaps Alan Sugar was testing Raef when he asked whether he would take responsibility for buying the expensive dresses. AS knew already that the team had won, but it would have been interesting if Raef had done an "Alex" and backtracked as fast as he could perhaps claiming it a team decision.
Luckily Raef stood his ground still not knowing the final outcome
pogogal18
15-05-2008
well who knows
even now i haerd that raef isnt doing that weakest link episode and it was speculation
they wanted him but he isnt coming on it
*Laura*
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Fox8:
“Perhaps Alan Sugar was testing Raef when he asked whether he would take responsibility for buying the expensive dresses. AS knew already that the team had won, but it would have been interesting if Raef had done an "Alex" and backtracked as fast as he could perhaps claiming it a team decision.
Luckily Raef stood his ground still not knowing the final outcome ”

Aye. I agree that he was testing him. He did the same the other week when Jenny M made the decision (which in hindsight was the wrong one) and Raef again said it was a consensus and refused to "drop her in it". I really believe he's a team player but, I just don't think he's an Apprentice.
froglet
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“I don't know. I like him but, I just can't see him winning. He does seem to be a good player and will always gather a "consensus" before making a decision but, I just don't think he's SAS's type.”


On a personal level I think you are right- he likes the down to earth grafter type, no time for any airs and graces, but where Raef might win out is that he would be a good fit for SAS's posh property business dealings. A lot is going to depend on the interview as he has played a very controlled game and not given much away.

Go Lucinda.
Muttley76
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Aye. I agree that he was testing him. He did the same the other week when Jenny M made the decision (which in hindsight was the wrong one) and Raef again said it was a consensus and refused to "drop her in it". I really believe he's a team player but, I just don't think he's an Apprentice. ”

I don't think it matters if he wins or not...I think he has great prospects regardless...

I just hope he stays in till the final...
Dollystanford
15-05-2008
I don't think he has it sewn up at all. He doesn't seem to do much, although I like him a lot
Vivid
15-05-2008
I think Raef isn't going to win. He is just a bit too foppish, too impressed with himself, too busy projecting an image and inclined to focus on irrelevancies and lose sight of the main issues. I still like him, and have from the start, and hope he does well, but I think he will be outpaced by someone like Alex who focusses on the objectives and ignores everything else.
Muttley76
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“I don't think he has it sewn up at all. He doesn't seem to do much, although I like him a lot”

Within the limited amount of footage we actually see of the task, I'd say Raef always makes a fair contribution to every task, his a team player - unlike some of the other candidates.
The Rhydler
15-05-2008
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“And his contribution last night was negligible.”

COBBLERS!!

He WON THEM THE TASK!
omgwtfbbq
15-05-2008
I think he really impressed SAS last night with the risk he took, and also by accepting most of the responsibility for taking that risk in the event that it all went wrong.

If it was soemone like Alex or Michael, they would not have taken any responsibility for something like that at first, and would have wormed their way out of it, and then they would have taken credit afterwards if it did actually work out.

But unfortunately, I agree with the others who say the interview stage will be the hurdle he trips over. I just have a feeling that whoever interviews him won't take to him so well.
Muttley76
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by omgwtfbbq:
“I think he really impressed SAS last night with the risk he took, and also by accepting most of the responsibility for taking that risk in the event that it all went wrong.”

Yep I agree, SAS likes it when people step up to the plate like that....


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“But unfortunately, I agree with the others who say the interview stage will be the hurdle he trips over. I just have a feeling that whoever interviews him won't take to him so well.”

That may well be the case, but ultimately, Raef has less of a need to actually win the show than any of the other candidates, given that there has seldom, if ever, been a single candidate in the shows history to make such a big impact as Raef has. Whatever he wants to do, there will be plenty of opportunities waiting for him when the show is over.

I just want him to stay in as long as possible as I really think the show will be pretty poor without him...
Kyle123
15-05-2008
I would have thought so before, but im starting to think that its actually pretty open between all of them, except Michael really.
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