I have seen several posts now on theories for the finale of season 4 that have included the return of gallifrey/ the timelords.

WHY???!!! why do people think this. Is there something I'm missing???From what I can see the doctor effectively killed off the Daleks and the timelords at the end of the time war and by doing so wiped all evidence of them ever existing from all time and space. Therefore he could never just go back in time to save them. The doctor is pretty clever well a genius really yes?? well surely the first thing he would have done after the time war is try and resurrect the time lord race??? We know the only survivors are 1 ordinary dalek which crashed on earth. The Dalek emporer. The cult of Skaro, the master, the doctor.
The Dalek that crashed on earth was not only a fluke but none of the timelords would have been able to survive like that floating through space or underground.
The cult of Skaro ran and hid, unlike normal Daleks who would relish the war.
The emporer survived as his ship fell through time burning. again ahrd to see a fleshy timelord surviving that one
The master ran away the only timelord clever enough to run to the end of time and turn himself human and the only one who would not die trying to defend Galifrey

All the timelords are dead except the doctor and there is no way to bring them back no more after the master have run away. Some Daleks only survived because of their sheer robustness something they have above timelords. Other Daleks returned froma timelord prison ship however the daleks wouldn't have imrisoned a timelord they would have simply killed them.

Not necessarily true. The Doctor only thinks/assumes they are all dead. However, the Daleks survived, despite the Dr thinking they were all destroyed - including several million in the genesis ark! As you said, the Master survived, so why not the TLs. They could have gone into hiding, and taken the name "The Shadow Proclaimation" to control the Universe.

Likewise, Rose was stuck in the PU, yet evidence would suggest she is coming back through.

In any case, it is a fantasy sci-fi programme. The producers can bring the TL back on a whim, using any number of contrived mechanisms to do it.

Sounds like you'll believe anything if it comes out of the Doctor's lips!

He's completely wrong*, as Agatha Christie might say.


(*Possibly - sorry I fell into the same trap as everyone else** in this forum for a moment!)


(**By everyone else I mean a lot of people, obviously***)


(***I say obviously, but what do I know?)

Isn't the thread title actually supposition then? And as bad as those who suppose the Time Lords ARE returning?

would be good if they did return one day, in an episode that sees the doctor out numbered by whomever and needs help, so the tl have to come out of hiding, cos they the only help he could have.

one day, or not.

i hope they return one day. it would be so cool.

why do people care if the time lords are around or not? apart from deadly assassin the stories on gallifrey were all cr*p!

also RTD has said he wanted to doctor to be a loner and he is right to do it that way

though in the classic story he never got on with the time lords - he was always a loner!

when the doctors gone...dead......no-more time lords...there gotta be more hiding away. he may need them when he reaches 13th regeneration.
the 5 doctors was good, not all gallifrey episodes was crap. be good to see sumin like that again but no chance.

Gallifrey will never return as it burnt, some of the timelords might of become human and living on Earth like everyday people

I don’t think it is a case of people wanting all the Time Lords back. I think it is a case of people wanting The Doctor to finally be able to put the events of The Time War behind him.

We have seen glimpses of his pain (especially in The Doctor’s Daughter) and if finding one non-psycho member of his people alive helps then that would be good.

It would be even better if that person was a member of his family (his grand-daughter). They could then share each others pain and help each other.

Donna: Doctor, don't beat yourself up over that Time War business. It's all in the past now.

Doctor: What? What? WHAT?

Donna:

Remember this is a time travel series. Although things like the blintovich limitation effect do apply, time is wibbly/Wobbly stuff.

In the novels, the Doctor destroyed Galifrey, and it came back. Paradoxes can be created and broken.

Honestly, does anyone remember the Timelords? Groups of four or five bureaucrats with a traitor knocking about somewhere? Every single time? They work much better as a concept.

You seem to be making a fairly categorical statement there, yet at the same time are actually suggesting ways they could return.

From what I can see the doctor effectively killed off the Daleks and the timelords at the end of the time war and by doing so wiped all evidence of them ever existing from all time and space

Yet you then specify times when the Daleks returned and call them 'flukes'. Well the same kind of fluke could mean other Time Lords exist. All it would take is a few to try and re-establish them.

well surely the first thing he would have done after the time war is try and resurrect the time lord race???

The Doctor has stated several times he could go back and save them, but he can't because of the bigger picture and effect it would have on the universe


All the timelords are dead except the doctor and there is no way to bring them back no more after the master have run away

Who can say that only the Doctor and the Master had Chameleon Arches.

I do agree in so much that I don't think the Time Lords are returning any time soon. But DW has vast scope and I'm sure sometime in the show's future they will return, even if it is just for one story. Let's just say the Doctor was forced (perhaps by some alien race threatening the Earth... again) to go back in time to resurrect the TLs. At the end of the story he could be left in a dilemna, as to whether he keeps the TLs alive, or returns things to how they were so the TLs are extinct again. I think that would be a great story

you dont arf make me larf sometimes slug

well skaro was blown up in the classic series
yet it was there at the beginning of the paul mcgann story

Earth was destroyed in the second episode of New Who, and yet they keep going back there week in, week out.

[QUOTE=whitey_fisk;23731300]Honestly, does anyone remember the Timelords? Groups of four or five bureaucrats with a traitor knocking about somewhere? Every single time? They work much better as a concept.[/quote]

Yeah! Think the single was called 'Doctorin' the Tardis'.

And it was crap!

You blaspheme!!

It was brilliant!!

How anyone can think anything is impossible in a series about a time travelling alien in a blue box is beyond me.

The Time War was created by writers, and can be undone by writers, it's called fiction - anything can happen and probably, at some point, will

See I think the presence of the Time Lords was extremely important to the old ethos of the show.

Fair enough when they were actually involved in the stories they weren't great but the fact they existed was paramount in making the Doctor what he was.

The Doctor was an anti-establishment character, he was an average Time-Lord who went off and did his own thing. He was the 'little man' (well time-lord) making a difference. However making him the 'last' has instantly thrust him into the position of being THE establishment.

While I think the Timelords being gone has been good in regards to the whole loneliness thing I think it's time to change the record, start a new chapter.

If I was to bring the Time-Lords back, I'd have it that their 'destruction' was a smoke-screen (why? I'll have to think about that a bit) and the Doctor was just a pawn in their masterplan. It'll be good drama for the Doctor what with the conflict between his joy that his people aren't gone versus his anger for what they put him through. That the loneliness has gone but it's replaced with betrayal, still giving him the excuse to have not a lot to do with them and travel off on his own adventures.

Really good point. Although that was Earth 5 Billion years in the future, whereas the Skaro destroyed in 'Remembrance of the Daleks' was in 'linear' time.

Besides, was Skaro blown up? I thought its sun was turned supernova leaving Skaro as even more of a dying planet than it already was, but the actual planet remained.

Also, there is a line of thought that the remains of the Master the 7th Doctor collects from Skaro in the TVM is actually the Roger Delgado incarnation set some time after Frontier in Space. Thus, the 7th Doctor was visiting Skaro in its past.