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Sara a trained barrister???
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rangali
15-05-2008
Hmmm, I do take some of the claims with a pinch of salt. What does "trained barrister" really mean after all? You are entitled to call yourself a barrister once you have been called to the bar. It used to be that you were called to the bar after passing the BVC (the vocational exams), but prior to starting or completing pupillage (the on the job training). I believe it has now changed however, and you have to have completed pupillage first.

I presume that she must have at least completed the BVC, and perhaps pupillage (who knows?) But I also got the impression that she wasn't practicing as a barrister before she came to the apprentice. Wasn't her job description "international car trader".

And by the way, junior barristers frequently earn a pittance, particularly criminal barristers.
Sidespin Nid
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“As you are in a pedantic mood today then you'll extend me the same courtesy I am sure.

Kevin is 24, if he went to university then he'd just have started on the development ladder to fast track him, but he won't be a manager yet. If he joined straight after school, then he'd be years aways from being a manager. As for your acquaintance, well I cannot comment other than some banks have now adopted the American practice of over inflating people's titles - a Vice-President sounds grand but isn't in reality.

As for having their qualifications checked - how do you know? Are you basing this knowledge or just assumption?”



I'm just assuming. Although in my opinion it's common sense thinking that when allowing people onto a TV show , out of which any could end up working for the particular company , checking their employment background is actually neccessary.
Sidespin Nid
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by rangali:
“Hmmm, I do take some of the claims with a pinch of salt. What does "trained barrister" really mean after all? You are entitled to call yourself a barrister once you have been called to the bar. It used to be that you were called to the bar after passing the BVC (the vocational exams), but prior to starting or completing pupillage (the on the job training). I believe it has now changed however, and you have to have completed pupillage first.

I presume that she must have at least completed the BVC, and perhaps pupillage (who knows?) But I also got the impression that she wasn't practicing as a barrister before she came to the apprentice. Wasn't her job description "international car trader".

And by the way, junior barristers frequently earn a pittance, particularly criminal barristers.”



She wasn't practicing as a barrister , she never did anyway. She got the qualifications but obviously chose to do the car business instead.
vidalia
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“As you are in a pedantic mood today then you'll extend me the same courtesy I am sure.

Kevin is 24, if he went to university then he'd just have started on the development ladder to fast track him, but he won't be a manager yet. If he joined straight after school, then he'd be years aways from being a manager. As for your acquaintance, well I cannot comment other than some banks have now adopted the American practice of over inflating people's titles - a Vice-President sounds grand but isn't in reality.

As for having their qualifications checked - how do you know? Are you basing this knowledge or just assumption?”

Kevin has 2 A levels and a food hygiene course. As well as Porsches and property. He must be a manager at Coutts.
nwbrfc
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by whackyracer:
“I would refer you to my previous post. It is you that needs to check your facts! He was a manager at the Woking branch of Halifax!”

And I would refer you to my reference about some companies overinflating people's titles. I worked for Natwest where I worked my way up from the clerical grade (which was where all school entrants came in) to the first management grade. The company I now work for has two "manager" grades below me, but they are not "managers" to the Natwest standard. So that may just be the same for the Halifax (not a reflection on your mother you understand).

Oh and as he joined Natwest from school, there is no way he managed a branch so young (not even an underperforming one).
vidalia
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Ansildrall:
“I'm just assuming. Although in my opinion it's common sense thinking that when allowing people onto a TV show , out of which any could end up working for the particular company , checking their employment background is actually neccessary.”

If they get to the last three they will certainly go through the CVs with a fine-tooth comb. Some do get caught out at that stage.
Sidespin Nid
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by bevheth:
“If they get to the last three they will certainly go through the CVs with a fine-tooth comb. Some do get caught out at that stage.”



But their CV's get checked before they are even chosen as certain quotes that are shown about them come straight from there.
vidalia
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Ansildrall:
“But their CV's get checked before they are even chosen as certain quotes that are shown about them come straight from there.”

I didn't say they didn't check them beforehand but they will go into them in far more detail if they get to the interview stage in the penultimate programme.
Sidespin Nid
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by bevheth:
“I didn't say they didn't check them beforehand but they will go into them in far more detail if they get to the interview stage in the penultimate programme.”



Ah , right ok , sorry.
Sid_1979
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by bevheth:
“I didn't say they didn't check them beforehand but they will go into them in far more detail if they get to the interview stage in the penultimate programme.”

Yes good point.

The likes of Paul (series 2) and Tre were certainly 'found out' at the interview stage. Even Michael got caught out by the 'good Jewish boy' comment on his CV the other week.
nwbrfc
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Ansildrall:
“But their CV's get checked before they are even chosen as certain quotes that are shown about them come straight from there.”

Well if they really do check their CVs, it seems that SAS didn't get Michael's jewishness checked beforehand did he.
nwbrfc
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Yes good point.

The likes of Paul (series 2) and Tre were certainly 'found out' at the interview stage. Even Michael got caught out by the 'good Jewish boy' comment on his CV the other week.”

damn you beat me to it.
whackyracer
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“And I would refer you to my reference about some companies overinflating people's titles. I worked for Natwest where I worked my way up from the clerical grade (which was where all school entrants came in) to the first management grade. The company I now work for has two "manager" grades below me, but they are not "managers" to the Natwest standard. So that may just be the same for the Halifax (not a reflection on your mother you understand).

Oh and as he joined Natwest from school, there is no way he managed a branch so young (not even an underperforming one).”

I think that if he attended manager's meetings as the sole manager of the branch, then that would translate as him being a manager? HBOS may well have a different fast track system to RBS, and like I said, I know someone who actually worked with him so I am basing this on facts not opinions of another financial institution that I have no knowledge of!
vidalia
15-05-2008
I'm sure I've seen Kevin in a Halifax advert
nwbrfc
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by whackyracer:
“I think that if he attended manager's meetings as the sole manager of the branch, then that would translate as him being a manager? HBOS may well have a different fast track system to RBS, and like I said, I know someone who actually worked with him so I am basing this on facts not opinions of another financial institution that I have no knowledge of!”

And you have no knowledge of Natwest/RBS, so you are merely speculating as well. I know there are 7 grades from basic school entrant to Manager and there is no way they could have been jumped - and as he wasn't a graduate, he wouldn't have been fast tracked.

Oh and maybe just watch the use of exclamations, they portray a very angry message
whackyracer
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“Oh and maybe just watch the use of exclamations, they portray a very angry message”

That's why I used them. Sorry, did I not make that obvious enough?
nwbrfc
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by whackyracer:
“That's why I used them. Sorry, did I not make that obvious enough?”

OK if that's the way you want to be, then that's your prerogative. It's childish but hey it takes all sorts.
pogo ogo
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by Esqualita:
“No- she was a trained BARISTA for coffee republic...
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I didn't know they got paid 6 figure salaries in coffee republic. Maybe, just maybe, I should quit my vocation for this sweet deal.
Sidespin Nid
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“Well if they really do check their CVs, it seems that SAS didn't get Michael's jewishness checked beforehand did he.”

Well do you think they actually asked him general knowledge questions about Judaism prior to that?

Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“damn you beat me to it.”

Theire weaknesses were exposed at that point , they still hadn't lied about their jobs.
radiance
15-05-2008
I don't doubt Sara did the BVC - it's not hard to get onto, and you can call yourself a barrister afterwards, it's getting a pupillage that is difficult and apparently she never tried to get one but went straight into business...
DavetheScot
15-05-2008
Originally Posted by bevheth:
“She has a BA (Hons) in Law and Economics from the University of Leicester and was in international car sales.
The other one who was in law was Nicholas De Lacy Brown who had an LLB from King's College London and had passed his bar exams.

Neither defended themselves well in the boardroom.”

I don't think there's any comparison between Nicholas and Sara's boardroom performances. Nicholas was allowed to put his case, which he did appallingly. Sara was putting over a good case, but Sir Alan simply kept telling her to shut up. I don't know what anyone expected her to do to defend herself in such a situation.
Aleksis
15-05-2008
Um, hasn't it already been touched upon that Sara speaks about 5 languages - English not being her first? I think she can be forgiven a slip like that.
thenetworkbabe
16-05-2008
Originally Posted by Ansildrall:
“I'm just assuming. Although in my opinion it's common sense thinking that when allowing people onto a TV show , out of which any could end up working for the particular company , checking their employment background is actually neccessary.”

i thought the CV told us that she had abandoned her own career to move back into the family business because her brother's couldn't? Thats perfectly compatible with everything we have been told and its abetter Cv actually than pretty much anyone else.
thenetworkbabe
16-05-2008
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“She was just interviewed by Steve Wright on Radio 2 and she said Michael "fighted his corner" - "fighted"?????

Says a lot for the training of barristers if basic grammar isn't covered - imagine putting your case forward and you said "x fighted for his rights", you'd be laughed out.”

What makes you think that people can speak perfect English coming out of the educational system or that the people teaching them can speak it either? There's much evidence to the contrary and potential teachers are earlier graduates of the same system they will teach in.
realitybyte2
16-05-2008
I doubt Sara has obtained a pupillage as she is only 25 - she has an LLB, LLM (which takes her to 22/23 yrs old at the least), and then the BVC (23/24)...so did she save her father's company in one year and do her one year pupillage?...hmmm she's lying about something.

She would have to obtain a position in a top-flight chambers to make really good money as a barrister. If she did do a pupillage, she probably worked in a local chambers doing criminal/legal aid work, and realised she wouldn't make anymore money than a mid-level civil servant. Hence, her move to 'international car sales'.

The Telegraph call her a 'trainee barrister'.
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