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Ah Sundried, thats the selective way these "Cameron-like-Christians" utilise their "learnings", to their own benefit alone.
Of course he should give it all away and quote us scripture on it. And of course he damn well won't. Because he's about as Christian as a Roman Gladiator and about as naive as a Tourist Guide in Amsterdam... |
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Originally posted by CPA This post describes my feelings entirely,
I still have a huge, massive beef with the fact the Cameron USED his Christianity to win BB. Having morals etc is not a bad thing. I didnt' have a single qualm about them at all. Even his not drinking. I rarely drink myself now due to my circumstances. Being a virgin I have no qualm's with either. Yet he is 32 and we are led to believe he has only recently become a christian. Sorry I think that is a load of bull........ Now if he had said, that after finding christianity, he had/has abstained from premarital sex? This I would readily have found more truthful. He never bought out the bible issue, unless he was nominated, or wanted to persuade other's to nominate who he wanted.You can bring out all the " no one is perfect " argument's all you like. He USED christianity to win this programme. That in it's self, to me is sinful and far worse than any of the other's. I believe in god... If that make's me a christian?? who know's? The way that I behave and conduct myself, I do to the best I can. not perfect by any mean's. I treat other's by how I wish to be treated. I have respect for other's religious belief's. I would NEVER use any of my belief's to attempt to win a reality show though. THIS is why I find Cameron distasteful. Not because of his belief's, but how he has used them for his own gain and as a tool, to be at his most nasty in tearing into other's behaviour. Oh yes I forgot !! We must not mention his nasty side now, shall we? He is after all a Christian ............
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Re: The Eye of the Needle
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Originally posted by prettyflowers Without offending anyone I have to say that he sticks fairly rigididly to the bibles 'rules' when it comes to homosexuality and non marital sex etc, It suprises me he doesn't look to the bible for advice on material wealth. I did half expect him to donate a fairly large percent of the winning to charity.
Being Christian and Rich are, interestingly enough not mutually exclusive. To be a good Christian, it is not necessary to give up all your money. The famous eye of the needle quote already referred to in this thread explains this the best if you know a little bit more about Christianity than watching the service on Easter Sunday. The Eye of the Needle was a famous Gate into the City of Jerusalem. So named because it was a very narrow gate. It was possible to get a camel through the eye of the needle, but it was a very difficult thing to do. Jesus, as pretty much always was being realistic about human beings. Its difficult but not impossible to get to heaven if you are rich. As a Christian, I see absolutely nothing wrong with Cameron's donation or non-donation of his prize money to the church, charity or anyone else for that matter. Surely it's completely his choice what he does with the money. It's really beginning to grate on me that people think being a Christian means that you have to be more of a saint than anyone else. I say this as someone who was and isn't keen on Cameron. But We are not meant to be the judge of his behaviour. His own conscous should do that more than adiquately. It's beginning to grate on me a lot the view that he should behave in a whiter than white way because he is a Christian. That strikes me as being more fanatical than even the most fervid of religious people. As a Catholic we have confession, communion etc. etc just because we are not perfect! |
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Agreed TD
I am not letting religious faith and the tagged-on taboos stop me from stating that people like Cam are very good at "selective" Bible reading to suit their cause. You used that Bible like a shield to your carefully scripted and manufactured persona! Like you are flip this! flip that !mental! magic! the places you've been and seen!!! When you pass the money lenders in the temple to the cashpoint Cam what will you say to them, then? |
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Originally posted by SunDried OK, simple answer Jesus would probably do so, but then Jesus would not have appeared on BB would he ? It's beginning to grate on me that the many Christians who come on here to defend Cameron consistently avoid the point. I repeat, no one is suggesing that Cameron give up ALL his money, but why not the prize money? Given that he has no need of it whatsoever, and says he didn't expect to receive it, what, other than greed, would motivate him to keep it? The other point you fail to address, and has been much mentioned, is the fact that he was happy enough to use his Christianity to curry favour and actually WIN the money, but now he forsakes his Christian beliefs in its disposal. Jesus would have given it to the needy, wouldn't he? ![]() Being given large amounts of money doesn't automatically mean as a Christian you have to give it all away ! There are plenty of people in the bible who were well rich, old and new testament, but they all had the ability to make use of their wealth to help others. Likewsie there were many who were poor, but also gave out of their poverty. God does not condem the money but looks at the heart in which it is used when it is given. Now, as to Cameron using his Christianity in his favour, I don't necessarily accept that he did "use" it. If it turns out that Cameron doesn't normally act like this back home, then I would agree with the word "use" but do we know that ? If this is the real Cameron and that's how he is, then what your saw was what you got ! If its an act then Yes, he did "use" it. However if it will help you sleep the denomination that Cameron attends practices tithing, and so at least 10% of all the monies will be donated as a matter of cause and that may then get Cameron thinking about how to use the rest. Perhaps in time we will know more, after all its only just over a week since he walked out of the house ! |
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Originally posted by huxleypig Are you sure Jesus wouldn't have gone on BB? I suspect he might have fancied it - great way to reach an audience!OK, simple answer Jesus would probably do so, but then Jesus would not have appeared on BB would he ? ![]() Being given large amounts of money doesn't automatically mean as a Christian you have to give it all away ! There are plenty of people in the bible who were well rich, old and new testament, but they all had the ability to make use of their wealth to help others. Likewsie there were many who were poor, but also gave out of their poverty. God does not condem the money but looks at the heart in which it is used when it is given. Now, as to Cameron using his Christianity in his favour, I don't necessarily accept that he did "use" it. If it turns out that Cameron doesn't normally act like this back home, then I would agree with the word "use" but do we know that ? If this is the real Cameron and that's how he is, then what your saw was what you got ! If its an act then Yes, he did "use" it. However if it will help you sleep the denomination that Cameron attends practices tithing, and so at least 10% of all the monies will be donated as a matter of cause and that may then get Cameron thinking about how to use the rest. Perhaps in time we will know more, after all its only just over a week since he walked out of the house ! And thanks for supporting my point - I notice that you mention that the characters in the bible who were "well rich" "had the ability to make use of their wealth to help others" which is exactly the position Cam finds himself in. And what he tells us he has decided to do is to make use of his wealth to help his brother get a nice bathroom (needy bloke I'm sure - TV obviously isn't a great payer) his mum & dad a treat, his church a piano and himself a new car! I don't think even Cameron could deny that his faith earnt him a lot of support - I have read on here a number of people who admitted to having voted for him 'because he is a Christian'. This support deserves a Christian response; I really believe he is letting the Church and Christiainity down in his avaricious approach to the £70k prize money. Thank you for your honest and sincere reply - I guess we will just have to agree to differ - but I admire your attempt to defend Cameron (his behaviour does not make that an easy task). |
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Originally posted by maisymoo That was well put CPA. I always think that those that voice what Charity they are giving money to are desiring reflected glory whereas a truly altruistic gesture would be made anonymously, discreetly. So it is the same with this Bible in hand bit, a little overdramatising things Cameron, and to me that diluted any beliefs you purport to have, weilding it as you did in a blatant bid to aid winning. I thought everyone else in that house displayed more Christian-like principles than him. Even Lisa. Thank's. I've never had a problem with his belief's, just the way he used it. The pro Cameron supporters can spout as many passages as they like from the bible to justify his action's. I've yet for anyone to quote me...... "Thou shall smight thy neighbour in an attempt to gain riches(it's ok as long as it is in the diary room and after they are in bed)" I just wonder if they saw the same programme as we did? I see non have replied to my post in an attempt to justify Cameron's action's ? They can pull it apart line by line if they wish.!! What I saw and heard Cameron doing wasn't a myth..... He did it. It's a fact..... just because the editing omited it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. |
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I'm not defending Cameron's off highlights shows actions.
I was merely pointing out that A) You can be rich and a good Christian B) As a Christian you are expected to aspire to perfection, but accept and atone for your imperfection Being Christian does not mean that Cameron has to donate all his prize money to charity. As for the assertions about homosexuality, sex before marriage etc. these are his beliefs. And good on him for holding to them. Personally I don't share them. But I believe that everyone is entitiled to their own opinion. That's a thing called tolerance. I wonder if you would castigate him if he was Islamic or Jewish in the same way. Imagine, someone who refused to eat pork or cook meat and dairy products together! Or someone who believed that women should cover themselves up. Neither of which are beliefs held by any Christian church as far as I know I was a fanatical Jon fan all the way through BB4, but even as a Jon fan I will happiliy admit that he is difficult and opinionated, and frankly living with him would do my nuts in. I think that some people have lost perspective on him. For the record I didn't want Cameron to win, I don't like him, but I don't think that you should hold his religious beliefs against him. |
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Originally posted by prettyflowers But also imagine if he's said that he didn't think white people should marry black people and based that it on a small section of the Bible? Surely that's not tolerant?I'm not defending Cameron's off highlights shows actions. As for the assertions about homosexuality, sex before marriage etc. these are his beliefs. And good on him for holding to them. Personally I don't share them. But I believe that everyone is entitiled to their own opinion. That's a thing called tolerance. I wonder if you would castigate him if he was Islamic or Jewish in the same way. Imagine, someone who refused to eat pork or cook meat and dairy products together! Or someone who believed that women should cover themselves up. Neither of which are beliefs held by any Christian church as far as I know . I don't think he's a homophobe; it's just that I can't respect someone who has intolerant opinions and can't think of them as an entirely decent person (I'm not saying I am but I do think averyone is entitled to their civil rights). |
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Originally posted by kimindex And on the subject of the thread, I do find it baffling why he hasn't said that he is going to give a large chunk of the money to charity at the very least. Craig did. Isn't his brother already getting a cut for doing the video anyway?
But also imagine if he's said that he didn't think white people should marry black people and based that it on a small section of the Bible? Surely that's not tolerant? I don't think he's a homophobe; it's just that I can't respect someone who has intolerant opinions and can't think of them as an entirely decent person (I'm not saying I am but I do think averyone is entitled to their civil rights). |
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Perhaps he is going to give a large chunk of the money to charity, but he's not going to be public about it.
People do regularily give large amounts to charity without making a song and dance about it |
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Originally posted by prettyflowers Perhaps i would encourage others to do the same if he did say he was going to give a lot of it to charity.
Perhaps he is going to give a large chunk of the money to charity, but he's not going to be public about it. People do regularily give large amounts to charity without making a song and dance about it |
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I thought I'd lighten the mood a little....
Mr. Jones went to have a talk with the minister at the local church. "Reverend," he said, "we have a problem. My wife keeps falling asleep during your sermons. It's very embarrassing, not to mention disrespectful. What should I do?" I've noticed this and have an idea if you're up to the task" said the minister. "Take this hat pin with you. I will be able to tell when Mrs.Jones is sleeping and I will motion to you at specific times. When I motion, you give her a good poke in the leg." In church the following Sunday, Mrs. Jones dozed off. Noticing this, the preacher put his plan to work. "And who made the ultimate sacrifice for you?" he said, nodding at Mr. Jones. "Jesus!" Mrs. Jones cried out as her husband jabbed her in the leg with the sharp object. "Yes! You are correct Mrs. Jones." came the minister's quick reply. Soon Mrs. Jones nodded off again. And again the minister noticed. "Who is your redeemer?" he asked the congregation, motioning toward Mr.Jones. "My God!" howled Mrs. Jones as she was stuck with the pin again. "Right again!" bellowed the minister, a slight grin on his face. Before long, Mrs. Jones again winked off. However, this time the minister did not notice. As he picked up the tempo of his sermon, he made a few hand gestures that Mr. Jones mistook as signals to bayonet his wife with the hat pin again. The minister asked, "And what did Eve say to Adam before she bore him his 99th son?" As Mr. Jones enthusiastically poked his wife's thigh with the hat pin piercing her skin she screamed, "You stick that f***ing thing in me one more time and I'll break it in half and shove it up your ass!" AMEN!" replied all the women in the Congregation. |
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