talking to torchwood08 last night he gave me a idea for a thread is it about time they finished the daleks ,cybermen master etc off , and brought in some new aliens ,enemys and monsters?............... personally i think there always be a place for the daleks there to popular ,cyberman if the real ones come back maybee, and master i would,nt be bothered if he did,nt come back .
Daleks, cyberman,master> THE END
I think a series like DW has to retain its iconic villains. The new series is made for a new generation, but us oldies shouldn't be forgotten, so if we can have a few classic series enemies back from time to time then I am all for it. Let's face it the new villians they have created so far have been utterly underwhelming.
I don't hold with all the 'Daleks are overused' attitude on DS as I get a thrill every time they trundle on screen. And if people think the Daleks are overused now, they should go back to the 1960s! But, I do think they could be used more wisely.
The Cybermen should stay too. People really need to get over this desire to have the classic series Cybermen back. They were reinvented for a reinvented vision of Doctor Who. One of the reasons they did this was because the old DW Cybermen had been ruined by the end of its run. So RTD decided to start from scratch. After all that, why would they suddenly decide to bringback the old ones? Quite frankly that is just fanw**k. As far as I can tell the new Cybermen will just become the Cybermen. In 10 years time people won't make a distinction because us older viewers will be dying off
The Master definitely should return again, but only if they can find a way to top the excitement of his last return (I'm sure people will be thinking 'is he crazy?' but I liked the Master 3 parter from last year).
There seems to be a lot of desire for old monsters/villains to return. And a lot of villains are undeservedly given iconic status. If people watched stories like Time and the Rani or Mark of the Rani would they really want that piece of crap to return?
I don't hold with all the 'Daleks are overused' attitude on DS as I get a thrill every time they trundle on screen. And if people think the Daleks are overused now, they should go back to the 1960s! But, I do think they could be used more wisely.
The Cybermen should stay too. People really need to get over this desire to have the classic series Cybermen back. They were reinvented for a reinvented vision of Doctor Who. One of the reasons they did this was because the old DW Cybermen had been ruined by the end of its run. So RTD decided to start from scratch. After all that, why would they suddenly decide to bringback the old ones? Quite frankly that is just fanw**k. As far as I can tell the new Cybermen will just become the Cybermen. In 10 years time people won't make a distinction because us older viewers will be dying off
The Master definitely should return again, but only if they can find a way to top the excitement of his last return (I'm sure people will be thinking 'is he crazy?' but I liked the Master 3 parter from last year).
There seems to be a lot of desire for old monsters/villains to return. And a lot of villains are undeservedly given iconic status. If people watched stories like Time and the Rani or Mark of the Rani would they really want that piece of crap to return?
I think the reason why the 'classics' have lasted is because of their rather 'generic' nature.
Look at the three mentioned in the thread title. You could instead substitute 'Robot Enemy', 'Cyborg Enemy', 'Humanoid Enemy'.
It's really easy to fit those types into a wide range of stories, and if you need one of those types then you have a choice of going with the familiar or the novel. As the classics worked, and the viewers who remember them generally look forward to seeing more of them, it's not surprising that they will continue to crop up. I wouldn't necessarily say it's lazy either, although of course the way they are used may be either clever or lazy depending on your point of view.
The new series has indeed come up with some excellent 'vinsters' (copyright 2008 The Slug). See Moffat's Clockwork Droids and Weeping Angels, and I certainly enjoyed the Gelth and the Krillitane (who as shapeshifters have longer potential shelf shelf than most). For the most part though, these vinsters are designed for the story the inhabit, and aren't really adaptable enough to be brought out of retirement.
I really think it's as simple as that. There's nothing about the new series vinsters that is inferior to the classic ones on the whole, it's just that in the case of the generic icons, the classic series got there first.
Look at the three mentioned in the thread title. You could instead substitute 'Robot Enemy', 'Cyborg Enemy', 'Humanoid Enemy'.
It's really easy to fit those types into a wide range of stories, and if you need one of those types then you have a choice of going with the familiar or the novel. As the classics worked, and the viewers who remember them generally look forward to seeing more of them, it's not surprising that they will continue to crop up. I wouldn't necessarily say it's lazy either, although of course the way they are used may be either clever or lazy depending on your point of view.
The new series has indeed come up with some excellent 'vinsters' (copyright 2008 The Slug). See Moffat's Clockwork Droids and Weeping Angels, and I certainly enjoyed the Gelth and the Krillitane (who as shapeshifters have longer potential shelf shelf than most). For the most part though, these vinsters are designed for the story the inhabit, and aren't really adaptable enough to be brought out of retirement.
I really think it's as simple as that. There's nothing about the new series vinsters that is inferior to the classic ones on the whole, it's just that in the case of the generic icons, the classic series got there first.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“has the new series created it's own iconic villain/monster?”
“has the new series created it's own iconic villain/monster?”
The monsters i'd consider 'iconic' from the new series are:
Slitheen (You may have lost all respect for me now, but the kids love 'em!
) Gas Mask Zombies,
Ood,
and the Weeping Angels
That's just my list, but i might be wrong.
I also think that Cassandra is iconic, cos' she had so much backstory and a lot of character wealth. But she's not iconic in the same way as the Daleks or the Cybermen.
Originally Posted by NAF:
“The monsters i'd consider 'iconic' from the new series are:
Slitheen (You may have lost all respect for me now, but the kids love 'em! )
Gas Mask Zombies,
Ood,
and the Weeping Angels
That's just my list, but i might be wrong.
I also think that Cassandra is iconic, cos' she had so much backstory and a lot of character wealth. But she's not iconic in the same way as the Daleks or the Cybermen.”
“The monsters i'd consider 'iconic' from the new series are:
Slitheen (You may have lost all respect for me now, but the kids love 'em!
) Gas Mask Zombies,
Ood,
and the Weeping Angels
That's just my list, but i might be wrong.
I also think that Cassandra is iconic, cos' she had so much backstory and a lot of character wealth. But she's not iconic in the same way as the Daleks or the Cybermen.”
I'll agree with you on all of those in their different ways. Of course iconic doesn't necessarily mean enduring in terms of multiple stories. After all, we've heard recently on this very forum about the iconic Talons rat, and I've enjoyed watching re-runs of the iconic loch ness monster and the iconic eponymous Robot. Not that I'm comparing these examples with your list - there are obviously different types of iconic too!
From what I've heard the Slitheen were supposed to be a long lasting monster. And despite the relatively poor reception they've got here, you're right, kids do love them. My daughter always mentions them when she's talking about her favourite monsters.
With the improvements they made to their technology in SJA, finally solving the gas problem, I don't see why they shouldn't pop up again in the future. The only other problem with them in AOL/WW3 was the mismatch of CGI and rubber suits. Get some more consistency in the visuals and I wouldn't mind seeing them return.
Originally Posted by The Slug:
“I think the reason why the 'classics' have lasted is because of their rather 'generic' nature.
Look at the three mentioned in the thread title. You could instead substitute 'Robot Enemy', 'Cyborg Enemy', 'Humanoid Enemy'.
It's really easy to fit those types into a wide range of stories, and if you need one of those types then you have a choice of going with the familiar or the novel. As the classics worked, and the viewers who remember them generally look forward to seeing more of them, it's not surprising that they will continue to crop up. I wouldn't necessarily say it's lazy either, although of course the way they are used may be either clever or lazy depending on your point of view.
The new series has indeed come up with some excellent 'vinsters' (copyright 2008 The Slug). See Moffat's Clockwork Droids and Weeping Angels, and I certainly enjoyed the Gelth and the Krillitane (who as shapeshifters have longer potential shelf shelf than most). For the most part though, these vinsters are designed for the story the inhabit, and aren't really adaptable enough to be brought out of retirement.
I really think it's as simple as that. There's nothing about the new series vinsters that is inferior to the classic ones on the whole, it's just that in the case of the generic icons, the classic series got there first.”
“I think the reason why the 'classics' have lasted is because of their rather 'generic' nature.
Look at the three mentioned in the thread title. You could instead substitute 'Robot Enemy', 'Cyborg Enemy', 'Humanoid Enemy'.
It's really easy to fit those types into a wide range of stories, and if you need one of those types then you have a choice of going with the familiar or the novel. As the classics worked, and the viewers who remember them generally look forward to seeing more of them, it's not surprising that they will continue to crop up. I wouldn't necessarily say it's lazy either, although of course the way they are used may be either clever or lazy depending on your point of view.
The new series has indeed come up with some excellent 'vinsters' (copyright 2008 The Slug). See Moffat's Clockwork Droids and Weeping Angels, and I certainly enjoyed the Gelth and the Krillitane (who as shapeshifters have longer potential shelf shelf than most). For the most part though, these vinsters are designed for the story the inhabit, and aren't really adaptable enough to be brought out of retirement.
I really think it's as simple as that. There's nothing about the new series vinsters that is inferior to the classic ones on the whole, it's just that in the case of the generic icons, the classic series got there first.”
I agree about the clockwork droids and weeping angels as they are great in the context of their contained stories. You're absolutely right about the generic qualities of the Daleks and Cybermen. Why create new creatures to fit a mold already filled?
However, I think the Master has wider scope given he is a character driven by emotions for his survival rather than some implanted order or suggestion. Not to suggest there is any honour in the behaviour of the Daleks or Cybermen, but their cause is to look after the survival of their species, whilst the Master is purely driven by his own personal gain, he never really cared about the survival of other Gallifreyans. Having said that I did like the fact he seems upset to know that Gallifrey had been destroyed.
There is no reason why the Weeping Angels could not come back. After all it will only need the bulb on the light to blow for them to stop seeing each other and they will then be able to move.
Originally Posted by Old Man 43:
“There is no reason why the Weeping Angels could not come back. After all it will only need the bulb on the light to blow for them to stop seeing each other and they will then be able to move.”
“There is no reason why the Weeping Angels could not come back. After all it will only need the bulb on the light to blow for them to stop seeing each other and they will then be able to move.”
I think the Doctor said if they look at each other then they are frozen for enternity. But perhaps there are more Weeping Angels out there in the Universe. I loved them, but they are difficult to watch because they make me not want to blink
If they were to bring back the angels, they would have to make sure the story did them proud as Blink is such an iconic and unique episode, that it would be hard to top it.
Quote:
“Look at the three mentioned in the thread title. You could instead substitute 'Robot Enemy', 'Cyborg Enemy', 'Humanoid Enemy'.”
“Look at the three mentioned in the thread title. You could instead substitute 'Robot Enemy', 'Cyborg Enemy', 'Humanoid Enemy'.”
I take it you were classing Daleks as the "Robot Enemy" when they are as much a Cyborg as the Cybermen are.
Out of the New Series Monsters that have recurred up till now (Slitheen, Pilot Fish, Ood and Cassandra, any I'm missing?) I can't see any returning to DW as "Monsters".
Cassandra's story has been told, the Ood while they may return won't be as Monsters, Pilot Fish I just can't see the point of again and the Slitheen have found a new nemesis in Sarah Jane so any future appearances will be in her show (unless Rose comes back as a full time companion then they will probably reappear in DW).
Out of the new series Monsters that have yet to make a comeback there's only a few I could see doing it.
The Krilletanes are the obvious one, as said they could be in a totally different form but it would be good if Mr Finch stayed as he was to give the Doctor a new "Humanoid Enemy" apart from the Master.
The Sycorax could easily make a reappearance, maybe not invading Earth again but it's a big Universe out there.
The Juddoon, well we'll probably see them again.
As said Steven Moffats trio of Villains are some of the best New Who as come up with but all are really one shot Monsters, the Weeping Angels are the only ones I could possibly see being in another story as bad guys but it would have to be very different to Blink to make it worth while. The Clockwork droids could reapear but not as Villians.
Some other possibles, The Wire (well not her as such but maybe encounter her race), The Gelth and maybe The Devil.
As to the original point of the thread, I don't think any of the Daleks, Cybermen or Master should be written off completely but the daleks should be rested for a while.
am not disputing some of the excellent examples that many have provided..agree with some of them with the exception of The Slitheen (sorry NAF!)...but what I was trying to ask is do you think they will have the longevity/success of the iconic villains/monsters like The Daleks, Cybermen, The Master etc...?
)...but what I was trying to ask is do you think they will have the longevity/success of the iconic villains/monsters like The Daleks, Cybermen, The Master etc...?
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“I take it you were classing Daleks as the "Robot Enemy" when they are as much a Cyborg as the Cybermen are.
Out of the New Series Monsters that have recurred up till now (Slitheen, Pilot Fish, Ood and Cassandra, any I'm missing?) I can't see any returning to DW as "Monsters".
Cassandra's story has been told, the Ood while they may return won't be as Monsters, Pilot Fish I just can't see the point of again and the Slitheen have found a new nemesis in Sarah Jane so any future appearances will be in her show (unless Rose comes back as a full time companion then they will probably reappear in DW).
Out of the new series Monsters that have yet to make a comeback there's only a few I could see doing it.
The Krilletanes are the obvious one, as said they could be in a totally different form but it would be good if Mr Finch stayed as he was to give the Doctor a new "Humanoid Enemy" apart from the Master.
The Sycorax could easily make a reappearance, maybe not invading Earth again but it's a big Universe out there.
The Juddoon, well we'll probably see them again.
As said Steven Moffats trio of Villains are some of the best New Who as come up with but all are really one shot Monsters, the Weeping Angels are the only ones I could possibly see being in another story as bad guys but it would have to be very different to Blink to make it worth while. The Clockwork droids could reapear but not as Villians.
Some other possibles, The Wire (well not her as such but maybe encounter her race), The Gelth and maybe The Devil.
As to the original point of the thread, I don't think any of the Daleks, Cybermen or Master should be written off completely but the daleks should be rested for a while.”
“I take it you were classing Daleks as the "Robot Enemy" when they are as much a Cyborg as the Cybermen are.
Out of the New Series Monsters that have recurred up till now (Slitheen, Pilot Fish, Ood and Cassandra, any I'm missing?) I can't see any returning to DW as "Monsters".
Cassandra's story has been told, the Ood while they may return won't be as Monsters, Pilot Fish I just can't see the point of again and the Slitheen have found a new nemesis in Sarah Jane so any future appearances will be in her show (unless Rose comes back as a full time companion then they will probably reappear in DW).
Out of the new series Monsters that have yet to make a comeback there's only a few I could see doing it.
The Krilletanes are the obvious one, as said they could be in a totally different form but it would be good if Mr Finch stayed as he was to give the Doctor a new "Humanoid Enemy" apart from the Master.
The Sycorax could easily make a reappearance, maybe not invading Earth again but it's a big Universe out there.
The Juddoon, well we'll probably see them again.
As said Steven Moffats trio of Villains are some of the best New Who as come up with but all are really one shot Monsters, the Weeping Angels are the only ones I could possibly see being in another story as bad guys but it would have to be very different to Blink to make it worth while. The Clockwork droids could reapear but not as Villians.
Some other possibles, The Wire (well not her as such but maybe encounter her race), The Gelth and maybe The Devil.
As to the original point of the thread, I don't think any of the Daleks, Cybermen or Master should be written off completely but the daleks should be rested for a while.”
Yes I was aware of the Robot/Cyborg thing, it was just a shorthand for 'non-human robotic-looking monster' and 'humanoid robotic-looking monster' and I can already see holes that can be picked into those descriptions too, but that's not really the point!
I'll agree with your assessment of the more-likely-to-return new 'villians', and thanks for reminding me about the Judoon - I really liked them, and I like the fact that they are 'cops' rather than 'robbers'.
And absolutely right about the weeping angels. I agreed earlier that they were iconic, but I can't see them in further stories. As Old Man suggested, of course you can bring any monster back, there's always time travel, blah blah blah, but what's the point if you're just going to make Blink 2?
What about the Weevils from Torchwood? Also, while Captain Jack is on the Doctor's side presently, there's nothing to suggest that their relationship couldn't sour for a while, given the Doctor's obvious dislike for his immortality, and for Torchwood. Obviously, they would need to reconcile eventually, but he's obviously got the potential to be a baddie in the same vein as the Master is at the moment.
I'd like to see the Judoon again, and the Ood. The Sycorax could of course come back, and there's the Kilitrans (didn't Anthony Head recently say that he'd like to come back to Doctor Who?)
Also, if RTD can do to the Sliveen what he did with the original Dalek episode, and the re-appearance of the Master, they might turn into an interesting baddie. They would need to be dark, adult baddies though, no farting or silly antics ala AOL and WWIII.
I'd like to see the Judoon again, and the Ood. The Sycorax could of course come back, and there's the Kilitrans (didn't Anthony Head recently say that he'd like to come back to Doctor Who?)
Also, if RTD can do to the Sliveen what he did with the original Dalek episode, and the re-appearance of the Master, they might turn into an interesting baddie. They would need to be dark, adult baddies though, no farting or silly antics ala AOL and WWIII.
the daleks have been in every series since dr who as started. so no, do not get rid, havnt been in this one yet though.
Originally Posted by SUPERPAUL67:
“the daleks have been in every series since dr who as started. so no, do not get rid, havnt been in this one yet though.”
“the daleks have been in every series since dr who as started. so no, do not get rid, havnt been in this one yet though.”
No they haven't.
The new series yes, but there were times when they were not in th show for years. The 4th Doctor only met them twice in 7 years and the 5th,6th and 7th Docs only ever met them once each.
Originally Posted by magikmax:
“What about the Weevils from Torchwood? Also, while Captain Jack is on the Doctor's side presently, there's nothing to suggest that their relationship couldn't sour for a while, given the Doctor's obvious dislike for his immortality, and for Torchwood. Obviously, they would need to reconcile eventually, but he's obviously got the potential to be a baddie in the same vein as the Master is at the moment.
I'd like to see the Judoon again, and the Ood. The Sycorax could of course come back, and there's the Kilitrans (didn't Anthony Head recently say that he'd like to come back to Doctor Who?)
Also, if RTD can do to the Sliveen what he did with the original Dalek episode, and the re-appearance of the Master, they might turn into an interesting baddie. They would need to be dark, adult baddies though, no farting or silly antics ala AOL and WWIII.”
“What about the Weevils from Torchwood? Also, while Captain Jack is on the Doctor's side presently, there's nothing to suggest that their relationship couldn't sour for a while, given the Doctor's obvious dislike for his immortality, and for Torchwood. Obviously, they would need to reconcile eventually, but he's obviously got the potential to be a baddie in the same vein as the Master is at the moment.
I'd like to see the Judoon again, and the Ood. The Sycorax could of course come back, and there's the Kilitrans (didn't Anthony Head recently say that he'd like to come back to Doctor Who?)
Also, if RTD can do to the Sliveen what he did with the original Dalek episode, and the re-appearance of the Master, they might turn into an interesting baddie. They would need to be dark, adult baddies though, no farting or silly antics ala AOL and WWIII.”
Well the Slitheen were merely one family from Raxacoricofallapatorius, we could always see other Raxacoricofallapatorians.
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“No they haven't.
The new series yes, but there were times when they were not in th show for years. The 4th Doctor only met them twice in 7 years and the 5th,6th and 7th Docs only ever met them once each.”
“No they haven't.
The new series yes, but there were times when they were not in th show for years. The 4th Doctor only met them twice in 7 years and the 5th,6th and 7th Docs only ever met them once each.”
my apologies you are right i should have put with every doctor. (except pm.)
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/S.../episodes.html
To be honest, as much as I love Doctor Who and the Daleks, I hate seeing them in every single series. They rely too much on bringing back big old enemies for the series finale, they need to create one of their own enemies, strong characters they can bring back every so often. It's about time they gave the Daleks a rest. Bilis was an interesting character in Torchwood but he was ruined with that horrible CGI monster thing. If they could create an evil character like that rather than relying on old enemies to bring viewers in it would be better.
Originally Posted by pablopicasso:
“Well the Slitheen were merely one family from Raxacoricofallapatorius, we could always see other Raxacoricofallapatorians.”
“Well the Slitheen were merely one family from Raxacoricofallapatorius, we could always see other Raxacoricofallapatorians.”
You say vacuum cleaner, I say hoover.
Originally Posted by magikmax:
“What about the Weevils from Torchwood? Also, while Captain Jack is on the Doctor's side presently, there's nothing to suggest that their relationship couldn't sour for a while, given the Doctor's obvious dislike for his immortality, and for Torchwood. Obviously, they would need to reconcile eventually, but he's obviously got the potential to be a baddie in the same vein as the Master is at the moment.
I'd like to see the Judoon again, and the Ood. The Sycorax could of course come back, and there's the Kilitrans (didn't Anthony Head recently say that he'd like to come back to Doctor Who?)
Also, if RTD can do to the Sliveen what he did with the original Dalek episode, and the re-appearance of the Master, they might turn into an interesting baddie. They would need to be dark, adult baddies though, no farting or silly antics ala AOL and WWIII.”
“What about the Weevils from Torchwood? Also, while Captain Jack is on the Doctor's side presently, there's nothing to suggest that their relationship couldn't sour for a while, given the Doctor's obvious dislike for his immortality, and for Torchwood. Obviously, they would need to reconcile eventually, but he's obviously got the potential to be a baddie in the same vein as the Master is at the moment.
I'd like to see the Judoon again, and the Ood. The Sycorax could of course come back, and there's the Kilitrans (didn't Anthony Head recently say that he'd like to come back to Doctor Who?)
Also, if RTD can do to the Sliveen what he did with the original Dalek episode, and the re-appearance of the Master, they might turn into an interesting baddie. They would need to be dark, adult baddies though, no farting or silly antics ala AOL and WWIII.”
yes would love to see the weevils in dr who and yes a return of the judoon and sycorax
Originally Posted by SUPERPAUL67:
“i would like to see the sea devils return.”
“i would like to see the sea devils return.”
definetly sea devils is one i would love to return they were so scary in the 70s and with the silariuns i think would be good... modern dr who yes want the weeping angels back but im also thinking they should bring the autons back definetly
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“I take it you were classing Daleks as the "Robot Enemy" when they are as much a Cyborg as the Cybermen are.
Out of the New Series Monsters that have recurred up till now (Slitheen, Pilot Fish, Ood and Cassandra, any I'm missing?) I can't see any returning to DW as "Monsters".
Cassandra's story has been told, the Ood while they may return won't be as Monsters, Pilot Fish I just can't see the point of again and the Slitheen have found a new nemesis in Sarah Jane so any future appearances will be in her show (unless Rose comes back as a full time companion then they will probably reappear in DW).
Out of the new series Monsters that have yet to make a comeback there's only a few I could see doing it.
The Krilletanes are the obvious one, as said they could be in a totally different form but it would be good if Mr Finch stayed as he was to give the Doctor a new "Humanoid Enemy" apart from the Master.
The Sycorax could easily make a reappearance, maybe not invading Earth again but it's a big Universe out there.
The Juddoon, well we'll probably see them again.
As said Steven Moffats trio of Villains are some of the best New Who as come up with but all are really one shot Monsters, the Weeping Angels are the only ones I could possibly see being in another story as bad guys but it would have to be very different to Blink to make it worth while. The Clockwork droids could reapear but not as Villians.
Some other possibles, The Wire (well not her as such but maybe encounter her race), The Gelth and maybe The Devil.
As to the original point of the thread, I don't think any of the Daleks, Cybermen or Master should be written off completely but the daleks should be rested for a while.”
“I take it you were classing Daleks as the "Robot Enemy" when they are as much a Cyborg as the Cybermen are.
Out of the New Series Monsters that have recurred up till now (Slitheen, Pilot Fish, Ood and Cassandra, any I'm missing?) I can't see any returning to DW as "Monsters".
Cassandra's story has been told, the Ood while they may return won't be as Monsters, Pilot Fish I just can't see the point of again and the Slitheen have found a new nemesis in Sarah Jane so any future appearances will be in her show (unless Rose comes back as a full time companion then they will probably reappear in DW).
Out of the new series Monsters that have yet to make a comeback there's only a few I could see doing it.
The Krilletanes are the obvious one, as said they could be in a totally different form but it would be good if Mr Finch stayed as he was to give the Doctor a new "Humanoid Enemy" apart from the Master.
The Sycorax could easily make a reappearance, maybe not invading Earth again but it's a big Universe out there.
The Juddoon, well we'll probably see them again.
As said Steven Moffats trio of Villains are some of the best New Who as come up with but all are really one shot Monsters, the Weeping Angels are the only ones I could possibly see being in another story as bad guys but it would have to be very different to Blink to make it worth while. The Clockwork droids could reapear but not as Villians.
Some other possibles, The Wire (well not her as such but maybe encounter her race), The Gelth and maybe The Devil.
As to the original point of the thread, I don't think any of the Daleks, Cybermen or Master should be written off completely but the daleks should be rested for a while.”
Out of interest, why do you think the Siltheen could only return in DW if Rose is the companion?
Aliens I'd love to see again:
Judoon...
Sycorax
Chan'do's species (Master's assistant)
Ood (yeah...again..lol)
Jagrafess (they could do a lot more with it imo
)
Werewolf...(It was an alien...wasn't it? Could bring it back, maybe tie it in with the modern royal family this time...having them turn in to Werewolves but keeping it secret from their public. Hmm, or maybe not )
No real reason behind it bar "hey, they were cool, people liked them, lets see some MORE of them! )
Judoon...
Sycorax
Chan'do's species (Master's assistant)
Ood (yeah...again..lol)
Jagrafess (they could do a lot more with it imo
) Werewolf...(It was an alien...wasn't it? Could bring it back, maybe tie it in with the modern royal family this time...having them turn in to Werewolves but keeping it secret from their public. Hmm, or maybe not
)No real reason behind it bar "hey, they were cool, people liked them, lets see some MORE of them!
)
