I will repeat what I have said on several other threads, that the best thing for Jessie would be to go to drama school for the next few years (she should get in this time after all the extra tuition she's had over the last weeks). This would not only help her as a performer but also to get used to criticism and taking direction. This is why Ashley managed it far better. My daughter is a MT student and believe me she gets plenty of practice in both!!!!!

What worries me is that Jessie may be seduced by fame now and not take this option, instead go straight into the profession. There is a reason why the vast majority of MT perfromers go and train further!

Jessie needs to get back to acting school before the erode the last of her confidence, she is not so nervous performing her voice has started to quiver and she doesnt look like she is enjoying now. At this level it should just be about polishing the skills. Jessie had quite abit to learn still and if she loses her confidence it might take a while to get it back. Instead of picking her apart they need to let her move on........get her more support and watch out for her in a year of two

She certainly doesn't seem as if she is enjoying it. I suppose you can get away with that as an established recording artist but not in the theatre as a newbie.

She's got plenty of raw talent and plenty to work on. But what does she really want? If it's an MT career then she does need training. She could go "pop" with absolutely no further education but would she be well advised to do that?

Hmm I don't think Jessie would suit pop, thats more Sam/Niamh territory.

I am not saying it would suit her necessarily.
Just that she'd probably get hired, make a few bob and a name for herself.
If that's what she wants.
She doesn't react that well to criticism or else she isn't a quick learner which might be why she didn't get in to drama school.

I think that ALW will keep a close eye on her, if not under contract then he might take a personal interest in her future enducation, his name will open a few doors for her. That im sure........

I don't think this show has shown Jessie can't take direction. I think she's struggling to improve due to lack of useful advice and conflicting ideas of how she should be performing.

Maybe she is a bit young to take on a roll in the West End right now but it's six months of training and being moulded into the character before she has to be Nancy. People of her age can rapidly mature emotionally in six months!

Part of the problem is that the three are all performers and not coaches or teachers. They might know what they like to see, but that doesn't mean that they know how to get a particular performance out of someone else, or how to express themselves in a coherent and consistent way.
I agree, I think Jessie is having a really wretched time. They are saying "do this, do that, change the other". But has any of them given her an overall picture of a performance to aim at? And the detailed steps that are needed to get there? I get the impression they are all saying the first thing that comes into their heads for the camera.
Thank God my kids aren't into showbiz - I would grieve for them if this were their normal working environment.
Alan

She was given too much to change at anyone time over a short period of time. Just to get her movment right takes months not hours for it to be natural. Its too much for such a young girl.........she needs longer......

and I dont think the panel helped her much by loading all that on to he straight away, yes she needs to improve these areas.......but one at a time at least....

agreed, particularlly about the taking direction point, though i also feel that perhaps the show don't actually give the contestants best support, i mean look at the VT of there week prior to the show, to me she and the others wouln't have enough time to consentrate on the areas the need to improve on.

when she leaves the show i think she needs to go and take a part-time acting course which help her build up her skills which are at present raw and undefined

what kid isn't praised if not overly by their parents? (in normal circumstances) i was told how great i was too...it didn't make me fall to pieces if i didn't get a part or got knocked. that's what parents do! parents see you differently anyway, and are just genuinely proud...if they lie to kids that have NO talent like on Idol that is different. Jessie's talent is justified. i just don't see anything else you have said, i see no arrogance, and no hissy fits and fighting back when she is criticised, that is not being able to take it. she may look hurt, oh well, some people get hurt. i don't think it makes her spoiled.


she only ever answered in a justification manner once and it was heart felt, she does not fight back and about her looking crushed, well you are just basically saying ver batim what BH said. it was a stupid comment in the first place. I saw her nodding to JB not looking crushed.


Well, now she would be able to get into a good school for starters.
I don't get this opinion by so many that she doesn't take direction. is anyone in her rehearsals to see if she is defying direction or fighting back??? didn't think so.

now, if it seems like she can't grasp direction that is a different thing than someone just not taking it because they do their own thing.

What I think many people see is that she can take direction on a weekly basis, but not then build on it and move on. There were comments on her movement in week 1 - she has barely improved since then. She has been told about her mannerisms more than once as well. I just think that she can take direction but not at this pace - which is why she needs further training where things like posture are taught at a more consistent pace and she would deal with the basics when not in the public eye.

I think we are all supportive of Jessie and are simply concerned abouit her. I would be if she was my daughter. It's one thing getting criticism in drama school, quite another on tv in front of millions.

she did improve the next week though and it was mentioned even by DVO. she just didn't keep it up and i really don't know if natural grace can be taught or directed. about the tv and in front of millions, that doesn't fly with me. they have seen these shows, they know what it is all about, and should know what to expect.

Maybe she is being told to change or improve these things and not getting the support or time to do it.........no point in telling something to do somthing if they dont know how too. I think they are asking too much of Jessie and in too short a time. She needs a few years in acting school and Im sure ALW will make sure she is fine.

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I think knowing what happens and knowing how to deal with it takes experience and I dont think they have that kind of experience behind them.remember the Josephs....they were in tears weekly.......even worse than the girls.......

They should realise they are not dealing with harden experts but young girls....you can give bad news without being insulting...........its not the Simon Cowell show...thank god.....

I think that Maybe she should have chosen a different song last week. Although I liked it. I don't think that it was very suited to her.
I agree that she has gone down hill, to no fault of her own. The comments that she gets are not very helpfull. If someone can't dance naturaly then they need lessons that is a fact, she can'treally learn to be a better dancer on her own. With the acting I think it's just nervs, I think she needs to loosen up as she always looks really worried.
Anyway in my oppinion Nancy is no lady. She's a prossie that's been theiving on the streets since she was five. I'm not sure if dancing is that important.
Jodie or Jessie to win, maybe Sam. Not so keen on Rachel.

Jessie is a lovely person and can sing rather well.
However, I don't think she is the finished article and the Nancy part may be a wee bit beyond her.

I do think that, but at the same time I think it's true of other performers as well. The thing I like least about this show is the chasm between what the judges and Andrew tell the girls and how they're being handled in the week.

I think the judges should be working a lot harder. It's all very well to sit there and make what are sometimes vague and conflicting comments - but the 1 on 1 time just isn't there enough.

I agree. She doesn't know whether she's coming or going and they have really knocked her self-confidence! I think she should stick to being Jessie and f*** the judges.

That would be one way to win!

Not sure that would quite work with John or Denise

Always worth a try though. Imagining getting kicked out and looking back and saying "what else could I have done that would have made a difference?"

I did read an interview that said Jessie wouldn't sleep with the director to get a role... slight flaw in the plan.

Although technically the panel isn't the director

[quote=piper333;23816915]what kid isn't praised if not overly by their parents? (in normal circumstances) i was told how great i was too...it didn't make me fall to pieces if i didn't get a part or got knocked. that's what parents do! parents see you differently anyway, and are just genuinely proud...if they lie to kids that have NO talent like on Idol that is different. Jessie's talent is justified. i just don't see anything else you have said, i see no arrogance, and no hissy fits and fighting back when she is criticised, that is not being able to take it. she may look hurt, oh well, some people get hurt. i don't think it makes her spoiled.


Some people are naturally more egocentric than others and praising goes to their head more than others. Whilst it is natural to praise your children you should avoid making them arrogant (effectively spoiling them) because it will do them no favours in the long run as to be successful it is very important that your personality is palatable to others as in most careers it is people that help you or block you on your path

By contrast some people need tons of praise just to believe in themselves even if they are extremely talented and never seem to become egocentric. Perhaps you are this type and hence why the praise from your parents never did you any harm but was good for you

I do see arrogance in Jessie but less so now she is getting more criticism. I guess wether you perceive Jessie as having been arrogant is a matter of opinion but I know I am not the only one to have perceived her this way

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that's fine but i can almost gaurantee if you put her in a room with really really arrogant people you would she is on the lower end of the scale. actually, i don't know her from adam but my intuitions are pretty good.

it is all subjective and i guess you see her differently than i.

i am not quoting myself there.