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Raef was fired??? Raef was FIRED!!!
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Muttley76
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by rosieeee:
“yes I had forgotten that - why did he decide not to make Michael PM? He should have explained that in the vt afterwards - let's hope he chooses Michael to be PM next week”

I thought it very telling, two weeks now Michael has apparently been let off the hook with his 'make me a PM' speech and two weeks he hasn't actually been PM the following week. Quite frankly that stinks. SAS never even gave a reason WHY he wanted Raef to be PM, he just told him he was. Shocking!
Muttley76
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“ And I realise that I haven't actually seen Raef delivering results in the same way as, say, Claire has, week in week out.”

Sorry, but Raef has actually made a contribution week in week out, don't let SAS (and Nicks) bluffing fool you on this score. His contributions have helped win it for the his team many weeks - laundry, cards, wedding dresses, shopping, etc.
pierre_gustave
22-05-2008
It's not often I have questioned Sir Alan's judgement.
However, in this case he got it wrong.
As for Michael, talk about nine lives ...........
Katenutzs
22-05-2008
I am still shocked that SAS fired raef and allowed Michael to survive again, as Raef said he is a liar and unprincipled and should not stay.

Michael must be a SAS clone with education
vidalia
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by pierre_gustave:
“It's not often I have questioned Sir Alan's judgement.
However, in this case he got it wrong.
As for Michael, talk about nine lives ...........”

Michael, the rat with nine lives. I think there are only one or two left though and the series is longer than that.
Squidzy
22-05-2008
I think Michael and Raef were equally to blame. They were both out of control and made ridiculous decisions. Personally I would have fired Michael due to his past history, but I'm not that bothered that Raef was fired. He really is all talk and not a lot of action.

I agree with Sir Alan when he said Raef has been lucky not to be brought in the boardroom for so many weeks - but everyone's luck runs out at some point.
Katenutzs
22-05-2008
I am still shocked that SAS fired raef and allowed Michael to survive again, as Raef said he is a liar and unprincipled and should not stay.

Michael must be a SAS clone with education
Agent Krycek
22-05-2008
Whilst I can see exactly why Raef was in the boardroom - they didn't fulfill the brief, if that advert had appeared on tv you wouldn't have had the fainest idea what it was advertising (the other advert was dreadful - of the Cillet Bang school of advertising) it did fulfill the brief, had the product shot, had the selling point, albeit in a cringey, cringey way - so they had to win, on past history alone Michael should have gone.

He was equally responsible with Raef for the advert, plus he has the back history of bad decision, lying etc - that alone should have got him fired. I didn't mind the girls box design, thought it was quite pretty, sort of thing you could see sitting alongside a range of household products 'I love my .......'

Raef remains a prince amongst men, polite, well mannered, charming and gracious to the end.
jessicaar
22-05-2008
I was convinced raef was going to win How many chances does michael need?
birdsong
22-05-2008
I haven't seen the show yet but Raef made no particular impression on me so I'm not that bothered. Michael on the other hand I have always quite liked.
Muttley76
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by birdsong:
“I haven't seen the show yet but Raef made no particular impression on me so I'm not that bothered. Michael on the other hand I have always quite liked.”

I presume you like useless t*ssers with no moral values then...
birdsong
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“I presume you like useless t*ssers with no moral values then...”

They can have their appeal .

The show is extremely edited of course.
BigGayL
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by robpw2:
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they should have used sian and a weather map and used the pollen count and instead of giing it going to be ihigh etc here done something like it will be sneezy here here and here but dont worry because we also have ilove my tissues here here and here.”

I honestly think this would be a great ad!
And on topic, I cannot believe Raef is gone! I was squealing like a stuck pig at the injustice of it all.
fairypenny
22-05-2008
i'm quite upset that raef has gone, but the sadness is dulled by the fact that he used the best mixed metaphor i've ever heard in my life in the boardroom.
"if you're going to take the limelight for the success and like a rat jump off the sinking ship as soon as things hit the fat"


i love it. pure raefism, and a fitting description of sophocles.
bunglebonce
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by Squidzy:
“I agree with Sir Alan when he said Raef has been lucky not to be brought in the boardroom for so many weeks - but everyone's luck runs out at some point.”

Apart from week 1 when he was in the boardroom, the only weeks Raef had been on the losing side previously were week 3 (the pub task) and week 5 (the ice cream task), and on neither occasion was the loss of the task down to Raef's contribution. So SAS was completely wrong to suggest that.

Conversely on many occasions Raef has made the critical decisions that have won tasks and it seems ludicrous that, by this stage, that has been completely overlooked, particularly since Michael has had a particularly chequered record.
NathalieR
22-05-2008
Raef has been quite good up to now, Claire has been good and Michael was as responsible for the crap ad as Raef so why SAS decided to fire Raef is beyond me.

Michael has made so so many cock ups, why does he keep getting away with it..

Raef was fantastic in his first attempt at Project Leader, and since then had done a steady and good job IMO without backstabbing anyone too. I can't remember bar week 1 an occasion where Raef made a bad error, yet he's hardly slipped under the raider either.
Kaylan
22-05-2008
I am so glad Raef has gone, it was a choice between him and Micheal, both had to go.

I disliked both of them not just on this task but for a while now.

Micheal is a snake in the grass.

Raef was just up his own arse.
jivejivejive
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by Squidzy:
“I think Michael and Raef were equally to blame. They were both out of control and made ridiculous decisions. Personally I would have fired Michael due to his past history, but I'm not that bothered that Raef was fired. He really is all talk and not a lot of action.

I agree with Sir Alan when he said Raef has been lucky not to be brought in the boardroom for so many weeks - but everyone's luck runs out at some point.”

It was such good TV the way Raef's team sat full of self-congratulations at their commercial - how many of us were screaming at the T.V. 'Mention the bloody anti-bacterial tissues'? It seemed such an obvious thing to me
Magic8Ball
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by sezzie:
“ Maybe Raef should have employed Barry Scott (or Terry Scott - is he still alive?!) ”

No, Terry Scott sadly died 18 years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Scott

I thought he had been pretty quiet recently.
The Rhydler
22-05-2008
Originally Posted by robpw2:
“i honestly tought alex was going this week but "raefs team" generally made the biggest mistake when they invited sian lloyd over to pitch there profuct but did not use her talents.”

Correct, but is this all down to Rafe, Michael suggested slicing her out of the ad altogether? He was dead set on screwing the whole thing up, yet he claims he was reponsible for the 'decency' in the ad.

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“Alex's team had the best name- i was shoutung it at the screen whilst they were brainstorming and finally they picked it.#”

I would NOT buy a box of tissues called 'atishu' - I'd think 'what a CRAP name' and just get Tesco economy.

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“The box and the add were dreadful and they should have listened to lucifer ///oops sorry lucinda, who for despiter her incessent moaning was right.”

She did not moan, she is the only member of that team with a brain, but fortunately she was with the two working class lads who can do no wrong.

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“the acting was atrocious but the ad stuck out so badly that you would remember the product and the ad did mention all the things that they were required to do .”

I'd remember it alright, I'd remember NOT to buy it because of how shite the ad was. I make a point of not buying things if the ads are patronizing and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I won't fund thier crap.

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“Raef was quick to dismis this Ad as a pile of rubbish as he honestly belived that his team had one and i think this "arrogance is what had him fired".”

He didn't dismiss it, he refrained from telling them what he REALLY thought out of respect. Also, Alex is giggling his head off at the other teams advert. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.



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“they should have used sian and a weather map and used the pollen count and instead of giing it going to be ihigh etc here done something like it will be sneezy here here and here but dont worry because we also have ilove my tissues here here and here.The add focused too much on the story of the little boy and his "friend" and missed the point of the product . the name of the tissues was also not very good. I Think they were trying to rip off another trademark name and not spenidng enough time being original thought there box was subtlehad great use of colours etc it other than the name didnt give me any idea what was in the box and would be easily missed if i looked on the shelf where as the yellow monstrosity left me with no doubt.”

How celebrities have been involved in ads that have nothing to do with their vocations? Hundreds. They do it for money, they do it to resurrect their flagging careers, something in which Sian needed to do after her ugly boyfriend left her for an anorexic. She was happy enough to appear on the show and only then slag off the advert.

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“this task was down to the advertisers to pick the best product and althought lee had a extremely cringeworthy presentation the name was inspired and that coupled with the fact you were left in no doubt as to wat they were selling won the advertisers over.”

So Lee gets away with his CASTASTROPHIC pitch on that basis? Claire's pitch was excellent and had people listening, in Lee's people were nodding off, yet, I am to beleive that these people praised Lee afterwards? Don't buy it!


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“so out of the four of them this week sas had a very difficult descision becasuse as he said he was left very frustrated they had done 95% of the work. claire - realy came into her own on this task and for once made me like her she worked haed drove the team and was the real project manager. michael was -very clever again this week as raef sat in the cafe with his charm offensive and did not really think that the others were going to crucify him but alas this is both business and reality tv so no-one is going to be that nice if its you or them up for leaving.”

Out of the four of them, Helene should have gone because she did zero work. Claire was saying she ran the show, scuse me love, all you did was come up with a CRAP brand name, and a CRAP box. Rafe and Toad did the location work, the casting, the filming and the editing, they made errors for sure, but they certainly did the lions share of the work.


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“I honestly belive based on tonights task alone sas made the correct desciion and as with any business you are only as good as your last pitch or last sale . Advertising is a tough market it doesnt matter that you have a good reputation if you miss the brief on this product/”

But why is it judged on 'tonights task alone' Sugar often gives people second chances based on their efforts up to this week, Claire and Michael certainly have, Alex too, yet Rafe - only not fired the other time he's been in the boardroom because the only man posher than him was there - is straight out of the door after an EXCELLENT 9 weeks and not as culpable for the screw-ups of the team as others - namely Michael.



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“THe team of four had an excellent oppurtunity to thrash the team of three but spent too much focusing on the relatioshop side and not enought on the product.”

From what I saw, they did thrash them. If Rafe wore an Arthur Fowler cap and spoke in a cockney accent then he'd still be there.
Cuppa_Tea
22-05-2008
I am sick of SAS and his double standards.
The Rhydler
22-05-2008
He's a cretin.
onlydan
22-05-2008
Possibly the worst decision I have EVER seen broadcast on television.

I've always stood by Sir Alan in interviews when he says that he makes the decisions himself without any nudging from producers but, while this task being his worst, the only reason I can see for Raef to have gone in that boardroom is because he was sat between two people Sir Alan really was never going to fire.

Sir Alan clearly likes Claire, going as far as to ask her opinion in the boardroom in the past, but if he really knows everything that goes on on these tasks, the ONLY reason Michael is still there has to be the TV factor. He's alienated customers particularly on the wedding task, lost his rag - during the task AND in the boardroom, and just generally behaved unprofessionally and unscrupulously throughout the show, there can't be any way that Sir Alan wants him in his company.

Having said all that, after Michael's pleading to stay in the competition as PM last week, when he was kept but wasn't made PM this week absolved a LOT of responsibility from him, from that point on in this show I knew he wasn't going to go.

As far as the advert task was, given the fact that these commercials weren't going to air but were to be judged by Sir Alan, the clear choice was to make any old tat that stood out, which is where Raef went wrong, but good for him keeping his artistic integrity in my opinion, and not making something that he would deem vulgar and crass.

I mean, is Cillit Bang even an actual brand? I thought it was a joke! Lord knows I wouldn't buy any tat advertised like that. If those are the type of tactics and demographics Sir Alan wants to appeal to it doesn't really say much about the quality of his products really does it? Raef would probably be wasted on the low-end, predator pricing: poor quality market.
The Rhydler
22-05-2008
Great post my friend.
helenmcornish
22-05-2008
So do you think Michael will make it all the way to the end? I thought he was going out on week 2/3!!
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