Seeing as his second dad loves him, why the hell not.
Raef was fired??? Raef was FIRED!!!
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...ytv.television
For all you Raef fans *sob*
Sorry If it has been posted before.
For all you Raef fans *sob*
Sorry If it has been posted before.
That is an excellent piece on Raef.
I was a Raef fan from day one, but as I posted about a week ago I was gradually becoming less enamoured of the foppishness, the minor self-indulgences, the laboured projection of a sophisticate, and the frequent little bits of idiocy, such as suggesting dressing up in arab costumes, and unjustified self-confidence began to wear.
He seemed to be doing things more for effect than for efficacy and ultimately that approach was not going to be successful in business where concrete problems don't succumb to frippery.
I was a Raef fan from day one, but as I posted about a week ago I was gradually becoming less enamoured of the foppishness, the minor self-indulgences, the laboured projection of a sophisticate, and the frequent little bits of idiocy, such as suggesting dressing up in arab costumes, and unjustified self-confidence began to wear.
He seemed to be doing things more for effect than for efficacy and ultimately that approach was not going to be successful in business where concrete problems don't succumb to frippery.
Last night there were so many things which went horribly wrong and Raef's exit just sums the whole affair up. There was no fair measure for the task and if it came down solely to the lack of presence the product had in the advert then someone clearly hasn't been viewing many recent adverts.
Michael should have gone as simply he should have been on his last life this week. He wasn't PM, so he should have been doing his best to stand out in the group, not produce yet more failures. So many candidates have gone due to their bad tactics and lies, yet Michael seems to be able to get away with it. His speech in the boardroom was the same old - trying to take responsibility for the positives while avoiding anything negative which he could be responsible for also.
What is brilliant is how Raef has come out from it all.
Michael should have gone as simply he should have been on his last life this week. He wasn't PM, so he should have been doing his best to stand out in the group, not produce yet more failures. So many candidates have gone due to their bad tactics and lies, yet Michael seems to be able to get away with it. His speech in the boardroom was the same old - trying to take responsibility for the positives while avoiding anything negative which he could be responsible for also.
What is brilliant is how Raef has come out from it all.
Raef - eye candy (if you discount the hairstyle).
For that reason alone I'm sorry he's gone - what pretty things are there to look at now?
Just so happens he was also a decent man and a better contestant than he has received credit for.
I think he will do well now, though, if he makes full use of the publicity he's getting, so his time in The Apprentice hasn't been wasted.
For that reason alone I'm sorry he's gone - what pretty things are there to look at now?
Just so happens he was also a decent man and a better contestant than he has received credit for.
I think he will do well now, though, if he makes full use of the publicity he's getting, so his time in The Apprentice hasn't been wasted.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“In all my years of telly watching I have not seen such an injustice. Forget Spurs losing the Worthington Cup Final to Blackburn in 2002, forget Rhydian Roberts being mugged in the X Factor.
For Rafe Bjayou to be dismissed this week represents one of the grossest miscarriages of justice in the trivial TV age.
I can ACCEPT that Rafe and his team fundamentally did not fully advertise their product.
I do NOT accept that that alone should have lost them the task
Lee's pitch was absolutely APPALLING! Sugar didn't say enough about how bad it really was, it was like a child who couldn't read. Even worse than Kevin's and that's saying something.
Claire's pitch on the other hand...was very good.
Second. Their box design was clearly worse, with Lucinda costantly at odds with her team mates about it.
Sugar is quite happy to be sucked in by Alex's adverts because they shoved their lousy box into the picture, BUT he ignored the fact that the advert was like something out of the 1970's, happy crappy nuclear family discussing tissues liberally over breakfast - it was utter hogwash.
YES Rafe's ad ignored the product, but their advert was far superior in essence and I think overall, Alex's team was far worse, Lucinda even knew it before they entered the boardroom.
I think Alan just 'said' they lost, we have no idea what those people were referring to when the feedback came in, he just wanted to get it down to three a team
So fine, have Rafe's lose...but for gods sake...don't actually FIRE Rafe! Are you bloody mad! He has consistantly, week on week, provided the most level headedness, the most professionalism, the most successful risks and the most integrity, more so than all of the other candidates put together.
When he was the PM the first time, his side cruised to victory in the laundry task, no-one had a bad word to say about the man. Last week, even after being forced into a bear suit by the BBC he still had the balls to push for expensive wedding dresses, in which the selling of two was enough to win his team the task.
So when Raef finally makes an error, he gets fired on the spot. Almost as if Sugar was waiting to get rid of him purely because of his hair or something.
That little scab Michael, who was been the pioneer of failure three weeks running has actually NOT been fired, even though he has already attempted bribery and lied to Sir Alan. Neither of which Raef would ever dream of.
I was watching as Raef killed Michael in the boardroom, telling him exactly what we all thought of him, that was a plain and simple liar, he was squirming, he was gonna get fired...surely....but no, Sugar saved him, and told Raef HE was the one who had hot air...this after Michael begged to stay last week.
It just goes to show how far brown-nosing gets you in business and how much actual talent does not.
Yes Raef should have been in the BR, but why wasn't he given at least one more chance? Michaels had two, Claire's had two. Sugar plays favourites, Sugar is a SHAM! I'm disgusted with him tonight. He should be stripped on his knighthood forthwith! My intelligence is insulted beyond repair
A DISGRACE!”
“In all my years of telly watching I have not seen such an injustice. Forget Spurs losing the Worthington Cup Final to Blackburn in 2002, forget Rhydian Roberts being mugged in the X Factor.
For Rafe Bjayou to be dismissed this week represents one of the grossest miscarriages of justice in the trivial TV age.
I can ACCEPT that Rafe and his team fundamentally did not fully advertise their product.
I do NOT accept that that alone should have lost them the task
Lee's pitch was absolutely APPALLING! Sugar didn't say enough about how bad it really was, it was like a child who couldn't read. Even worse than Kevin's and that's saying something.
Claire's pitch on the other hand...was very good.
Second. Their box design was clearly worse, with Lucinda costantly at odds with her team mates about it.
Sugar is quite happy to be sucked in by Alex's adverts because they shoved their lousy box into the picture, BUT he ignored the fact that the advert was like something out of the 1970's, happy crappy nuclear family discussing tissues liberally over breakfast - it was utter hogwash.
YES Rafe's ad ignored the product, but their advert was far superior in essence and I think overall, Alex's team was far worse, Lucinda even knew it before they entered the boardroom.
I think Alan just 'said' they lost, we have no idea what those people were referring to when the feedback came in, he just wanted to get it down to three a team
So fine, have Rafe's lose...but for gods sake...don't actually FIRE Rafe! Are you bloody mad! He has consistantly, week on week, provided the most level headedness, the most professionalism, the most successful risks and the most integrity, more so than all of the other candidates put together.
When he was the PM the first time, his side cruised to victory in the laundry task, no-one had a bad word to say about the man. Last week, even after being forced into a bear suit by the BBC he still had the balls to push for expensive wedding dresses, in which the selling of two was enough to win his team the task.
So when Raef finally makes an error, he gets fired on the spot. Almost as if Sugar was waiting to get rid of him purely because of his hair or something.
That little scab Michael, who was been the pioneer of failure three weeks running has actually NOT been fired, even though he has already attempted bribery and lied to Sir Alan. Neither of which Raef would ever dream of.
I was watching as Raef killed Michael in the boardroom, telling him exactly what we all thought of him, that was a plain and simple liar, he was squirming, he was gonna get fired...surely....but no, Sugar saved him, and told Raef HE was the one who had hot air...this after Michael begged to stay last week.
It just goes to show how far brown-nosing gets you in business and how much actual talent does not.
Yes Raef should have been in the BR, but why wasn't he given at least one more chance? Michaels had two, Claire's had two. Sugar plays favourites, Sugar is a SHAM! I'm disgusted with him tonight. He should be stripped on his knighthood forthwith! My intelligence is insulted beyond repair
A DISGRACE!”
You deserve a knighthood for that post.
Bravo!
I do believe that Raef should have got fired on account of this task alone. However, Claire and Michael have both been in circumstances like that before and got fired. The problem is that Raef was the ONLY person that was ultimately responsible here - it is pretty unjust to fire somebody like Claire because her project manager lost the task and she essentially was unlucky to be in that team too.
The only thing SAS could have done is fire Michael for lying and being continuously squirmy. But he was retained last week and it's a bit of a copout to fire him this week for mimicking a bad project manager's decisions. SAS clearly likes the other two in the "threesome" as Raef put it, and it is entirely up to him to decide that he wants to see more of them. After all, HE is the one who's going to work with them. It doesn't necessarily come down to being fantastic and amazing, it also comes down to how they get on with SAS and how he perceives their future attainment in the job role to be. Claire has clearly learnt at least to a certain extent. Michael clearly wants the job (just like Simon, who pretty much won on enthusiasm alone.)
I also feel Raef didn't do himself any favours arguing with Michael about the whole "responsibility" thing. It was a bad job, he ought to have shifted things to why he was a good candidate for SAS and stuck it at that.
On top of that, we didn't see much of the final boardroom; Raef could have said any number of things that dissuaded SAS to keep him. SAS also said it was a very tight decision; I can see why he said this. In his shoes, it was a choice between firing someone he likes for the opportunity of maybe a good candidate or vice versa. He took the latter.
Shame is, I don't feel Lucinda is even all that great. I don't warm to any of the candidates this year, except Simon, who was awful. [EDIT: And Shazia - who we didn't get to see enough of.]
First series for the win!!
The only thing SAS could have done is fire Michael for lying and being continuously squirmy. But he was retained last week and it's a bit of a copout to fire him this week for mimicking a bad project manager's decisions. SAS clearly likes the other two in the "threesome" as Raef put it, and it is entirely up to him to decide that he wants to see more of them. After all, HE is the one who's going to work with them. It doesn't necessarily come down to being fantastic and amazing, it also comes down to how they get on with SAS and how he perceives their future attainment in the job role to be. Claire has clearly learnt at least to a certain extent. Michael clearly wants the job (just like Simon, who pretty much won on enthusiasm alone.)
I also feel Raef didn't do himself any favours arguing with Michael about the whole "responsibility" thing. It was a bad job, he ought to have shifted things to why he was a good candidate for SAS and stuck it at that.
On top of that, we didn't see much of the final boardroom; Raef could have said any number of things that dissuaded SAS to keep him. SAS also said it was a very tight decision; I can see why he said this. In his shoes, it was a choice between firing someone he likes for the opportunity of maybe a good candidate or vice versa. He took the latter.
Shame is, I don't feel Lucinda is even all that great. I don't warm to any of the candidates this year, except Simon, who was awful. [EDIT: And Shazia - who we didn't get to see enough of.]
First series for the win!!
This is the first time I actually had to remember to breathe after SirA fired him. I was literally shocked, I'm sure my heart missed a beat.
I thought he was a dead cert for at least the interview round.
I can't understand why Sir Alan didn't make Michael PM again
I think it was a bad sign of things to come when we actually saw a shot of Raef with his hair untidy at the beginning.
I thought he was a dead cert for at least the interview round.
I can't understand why Sir Alan didn't make Michael PM again
I think it was a bad sign of things to come when we actually saw a shot of Raef with his hair untidy at the beginning.
The bit in the Andrew Collins blog http://www.wherediditallgoright.com/BLOG/index.html is classic:
ENTIRE 7.2 MILLION-STRONG BBC1 VIEWING AUDIENCE GASPS AS ONE. PENALTY SHOOT-OUT IN MOSCOW HALTED AS MAN IN CROWD WHO'S BEEN TEXTED PASSES THE NEWS ON AND IT REACHES CHELSEA CAPTAIN JOHN TERRY. HE'S SO SHOCKED THAT ALPHEX HAVE WON HE MUFFS HIS SHOT, GIVING THE CHAMPIONSHIP TO MAN UNITED, WHO REALLY WEREN'T THE BETTER TEAM
ENTIRE 7.2 MILLION-STRONG BBC1 VIEWING AUDIENCE GASPS AS ONE. PENALTY SHOOT-OUT IN MOSCOW HALTED AS MAN IN CROWD WHO'S BEEN TEXTED PASSES THE NEWS ON AND IT REACHES CHELSEA CAPTAIN JOHN TERRY. HE'S SO SHOCKED THAT ALPHEX HAVE WON HE MUFFS HIS SHOT, GIVING THE CHAMPIONSHIP TO MAN UNITED, WHO REALLY WEREN'T THE BETTER TEAM
I think Raef stood out from the rest because he is so well mannered and refined. However his tesm messed up on the focus of the task last night and he got carried away with his artistic inclinations so as the team leader he had to go. The other toe rag will get his yet.
I thought the after show was really good and he didn’t take himself to seriously. we haven't seen the ast of him yet.
I thought the after show was really good and he didn’t take himself to seriously. we haven't seen the ast of him yet.
We have to remember that this is an entertainment show and part of the plan to keep us glued to the series, is to ensure that we can't consistently second guess everybody that Suralan fires.
I'll bet that Sugar would have normally fired Michael some time ago, but the controversy it's caused (just look at the person who started this thread!) is exactly what they want - for us to get passionate and react!
Michael is being used to stir up emotion, I don't believe for one minute that Sir Alan has any genuine admiration of his ability.
I'll bet that Sugar would have normally fired Michael some time ago, but the controversy it's caused (just look at the person who started this thread!) is exactly what they want - for us to get passionate and react!
Michael is being used to stir up emotion, I don't believe for one minute that Sir Alan has any genuine admiration of his ability.
Gah. Raef did mess up the challenge, but did he deserve to go just for one mistake? For Chrissake, how many has Michael made? He was also a big part of what went wrong with that campaign.
I believe SAS wants Michael as his apprentice.
I believe SAS wants Michael as his apprentice.
Originally Posted by fluffybunyip:
“Gah. Raef did mess up the challenge, but did he deserve to go just for one mistake? For Chrissake, how many has Michael made? He was also a big part of what went wrong with that campaign.
I believe SAS wants Michael as his apprentice.”
“Gah. Raef did mess up the challenge, but did he deserve to go just for one mistake? For Chrissake, how many has Michael made? He was also a big part of what went wrong with that campaign.
I believe SAS wants Michael as his apprentice.”
I don't believe he wants any such thing - I believe he wants to get people talking about the programme with their friends and on forums and blogs. It is working. I would put good money on Michael staying another week or two but no way will he become his apprentice.
Originally Posted by vidalia:
“I don't believe he wants any such thing - I believe he wants to get people talking about the programme with their friends and on forums and blogs. It is working. I would put good money on Michael staying another week or two but no way will he become his apprentice.”
“I don't believe he wants any such thing - I believe he wants to get people talking about the programme with their friends and on forums and blogs. It is working. I would put good money on Michael staying another week or two but no way will he become his apprentice.”
I hope you're right! SAS just seems to keep giving him chance after chance, I think (as he's said before) he sees himself in Michael and hope that's not going to sway his decisions.
Originally Posted by vidalia:
“I don't believe he wants any such thing - I believe he wants to get people talking about the programme with their friends and on forums and blogs. It is working. I would put good money on Michael staying another week or two but no way will he become his apprentice.”
“I don't believe he wants any such thing - I believe he wants to get people talking about the programme with their friends and on forums and blogs. It is working. I would put good money on Michael staying another week or two but no way will he become his apprentice.”
Exactly - it's a stunt to turn up the emotion amongst the viewers.
Quote:
“We have to remember that this is an entertainment show and part of the plan to keep us glued to the series, is to ensure that we can't consistently second guess everybody that Suralan fires.”
“We have to remember that this is an entertainment show and part of the plan to keep us glued to the series, is to ensure that we can't consistently second guess everybody that Suralan fires.”
I don't have to remember anything. I'll be well aware to know that Alan Sugar acted like a prick last night.
Originally Posted by talbotsunbeamer:
“We have to remember that this is an entertainment show”
“We have to remember that this is an entertainment show”
In which case Sir Alan should have kept Raef on because he was ten times more entertaining than irritating Michael.
I did not watch the Apprentice last night due to the football match but i just finished watching it on BBC i player and i am absoloutely gutted and shocked that Raef was fired. 
Sir Alan has made a big mistake! He was the STAR of the show and there is no one left who i would like to see win. Lucinda is probably the only genuine person left there whilst the rest are snakes in the grass.
And how the hell has Michael survived...again?!
I don't care who wins now.
Raef has been fired...
Sir Alan has made a big mistake! He was the STAR of the show and there is no one left who i would like to see win. Lucinda is probably the only genuine person left there whilst the rest are snakes in the grass.And how the hell has Michael survived...again?!
I don't care who wins now.
Raef has been fired...
Quote:
“I don't care who wins now.”
“I don't care who wins now.”
Hopefully the ratings will slip and 'Sir' Alan really will rue this massive mistake.
Who, Michael who will probably be licking SAS's shoes again next week - i have never seen them so clean!!!!
Originally Posted by BigGayL:
“I honestly think this would be a great ad!
And on topic, I cannot believe Raef is gone! I was squealing like a stuck pig at the injustice of it all.”
“I honestly think this would be a great ad!
And on topic, I cannot believe Raef is gone! I was squealing like a stuck pig at the injustice of it all.
”
thanks yes it was my idea
i was also honestluy shocked he got rid of raef
Quote:
“ I was squealing like a stuck pig at the injustice of it all.”
“ I was squealing like a stuck pig at the injustice of it all.”
You didn't see me last night. I went absolutely berserk!!
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“In all my years of telly watching I have not seen such an injustice. Forget Spurs losing the Worthington Cup Final to Blackburn in 2002, forget Rhydian Roberts being mugged in the X Factor.
For Rafe Bjayou to be dismissed this week represents one of the grossest miscarriages of justice in the trivial TV age.
I can ACCEPT that Rafe and his team fundamentally did not fully advertise their product.
I do NOT accept that that alone should have lost them the task
Lee's pitch was absolutely APPALLING! Sugar didn't say enough about how bad it really was, it was like a child who couldn't read. Even worse than Kevin's and that's saying something.
Claire's pitch on the other hand...was very good.
Second. Their box design was clearly worse, with Lucinda costantly at odds with her team mates about it.
Sugar is quite happy to be sucked in by Alex's adverts because they shoved their lousy box into the picture, BUT he ignored the fact that the advert was like something out of the 1970's, happy crappy nuclear family discussing tissues liberally over breakfast - it was utter hogwash.
YES Rafe's ad ignored the product, but their advert was far superior in essence and I think overall, Alex's team was far worse, Lucinda even knew it before they entered the boardroom.
I think Alan just 'said' they lost, we have no idea what those people were referring to when the feedback came in, he just wanted to get it down to three a team
So fine, have Rafe's lose...but for gods sake...don't actually FIRE Rafe! Are you bloody mad! He has consistantly, week on week, provided the most level headedness, the most professionalism, the most successful risks and the most integrity, more so than all of the other candidates put together.
When he was the PM the first time, his side cruised to victory in the laundry task, no-one had a bad word to say about the man. Last week, even after being forced into a bear suit by the BBC he still had the balls to push for expensive wedding dresses, in which the selling of two was enough to win his team the task.
So when Raef finally makes an error, he gets fired on the spot. Almost as if Sugar was waiting to get rid of him purely because of his hair or something.
That little scab Michael, who was been the pioneer of failure three weeks running has actually NOT been fired, even though he has already attempted bribery and lied to Sir Alan. Neither of which Raef would ever dream of.
I was watching as Raef killed Michael in the boardroom, telling him exactly what we all thought of him, that was a plain and simple liar, he was squirming, he was gonna get fired...surely....but no, Sugar saved him, and told Raef HE was the one who had hot air...this after Michael begged to stay last week.
It just goes to show how far brown-nosing gets you in business and how much actual talent does not.
Yes Raef should have been in the BR, but why wasn't he given at least one more chance? Michaels had two, Claire's had two. Sugar plays favourites, Sugar is a SHAM! I'm disgusted with him tonight. He should be stripped on his knighthood forthwith! My intelligence is insulted beyond repair
A DISGRACE!”
“In all my years of telly watching I have not seen such an injustice. Forget Spurs losing the Worthington Cup Final to Blackburn in 2002, forget Rhydian Roberts being mugged in the X Factor.
For Rafe Bjayou to be dismissed this week represents one of the grossest miscarriages of justice in the trivial TV age.
I can ACCEPT that Rafe and his team fundamentally did not fully advertise their product.
I do NOT accept that that alone should have lost them the task
Lee's pitch was absolutely APPALLING! Sugar didn't say enough about how bad it really was, it was like a child who couldn't read. Even worse than Kevin's and that's saying something.
Claire's pitch on the other hand...was very good.
Second. Their box design was clearly worse, with Lucinda costantly at odds with her team mates about it.
Sugar is quite happy to be sucked in by Alex's adverts because they shoved their lousy box into the picture, BUT he ignored the fact that the advert was like something out of the 1970's, happy crappy nuclear family discussing tissues liberally over breakfast - it was utter hogwash.
YES Rafe's ad ignored the product, but their advert was far superior in essence and I think overall, Alex's team was far worse, Lucinda even knew it before they entered the boardroom.
I think Alan just 'said' they lost, we have no idea what those people were referring to when the feedback came in, he just wanted to get it down to three a team
So fine, have Rafe's lose...but for gods sake...don't actually FIRE Rafe! Are you bloody mad! He has consistantly, week on week, provided the most level headedness, the most professionalism, the most successful risks and the most integrity, more so than all of the other candidates put together.
When he was the PM the first time, his side cruised to victory in the laundry task, no-one had a bad word to say about the man. Last week, even after being forced into a bear suit by the BBC he still had the balls to push for expensive wedding dresses, in which the selling of two was enough to win his team the task.
So when Raef finally makes an error, he gets fired on the spot. Almost as if Sugar was waiting to get rid of him purely because of his hair or something.
That little scab Michael, who was been the pioneer of failure three weeks running has actually NOT been fired, even though he has already attempted bribery and lied to Sir Alan. Neither of which Raef would ever dream of.
I was watching as Raef killed Michael in the boardroom, telling him exactly what we all thought of him, that was a plain and simple liar, he was squirming, he was gonna get fired...surely....but no, Sugar saved him, and told Raef HE was the one who had hot air...this after Michael begged to stay last week.
It just goes to show how far brown-nosing gets you in business and how much actual talent does not.
Yes Raef should have been in the BR, but why wasn't he given at least one more chance? Michaels had two, Claire's had two. Sugar plays favourites, Sugar is a SHAM! I'm disgusted with him tonight. He should be stripped on his knighthood forthwith! My intelligence is insulted beyond repair
A DISGRACE!”
Literally, those were my exact thoughts last night. Now, I've calmed down a bit, but I'm still unbelievably pissed off about it - it's a complete travesty, and I honestly couldn't care less what happens now. The fact that Helene, Alex, and especially that rat Sophocles, have stayed in longer than Raef is just ridiculous.
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