Are you saying that there hasn't been enough info about Saddam Hussein for us to make a decision about him?

>> someone who you don't know
>> have never met before and
>> you know nothing about them.

Ah, but we do know something about Nush (BB Show, Rise,
Media Interviews, firends and family interview). Therefore
we have enough evidence to dislike her.

If the person was some unknown who happen to walk past
me in the street then your statement of dislike is valid. But
in terms of Nush its not.

No, I wasn't saying that there isn't enough info about Saddam Hussein for us to make a decision about him? What I was trying to say (and not making a very good job of it) was, 'how can you take an instant dislike to someone you don't know or have never even met unless you know somthing bad about them'

We know plenty about her now (or so we think). Vicky7 said she took an instant dislike to Nush the minute she entered the house, when most people knew nothing about her.

The only other thing I can say to you is that it's all to do with a bit of info on the situation, age, experience, my job, and also a lot to do with what Monkey pants has pointed out!

I have excellent judgement and intuition which rarely lets me down too!

So, let me get this straight. You don't know her, but you know "her type" based on something someone you know who kinda knows her (or was it Scott?) has told you and you dislike her based on that, is that it?

There's no aruging that fact that we will take to whoever we take to, particularly when it comes to reality tv. There's clearly something you saw in Nush that I didn't and still haven't because I like her. in the same way that I couldn't fathom what all the fuss about Jon wasabout but people clearly saw something in him that I didn't. If Nush wants to take a paid for holiday with someone she gets along with and pockets some cash in exchange, I don't see how that makes her manipulative. If it does, then Scott must be as well because as far I as know, he did the same thing without anyone pointing a gun to his head.

And the only other thing I want to say is how you (BB4) can
take issue with someone's (Vicky) dislike of someone when
you (BB4) know nothing about her or what she knows
(applying your own conditions here).

I agree that when she entered the house most people knew nothing about her but her immediate behavior and mannerism
towards the other housemates on her entry may have given
enough perceptive information for an instant dislike (which
may be corrected later on once we know the person better).

No, I know someone who knows Scott who knows a bit about the situation you are all trying to make into the love affair of the year! What I know about Nush is loosely based on the same information but more to do with knowing my job, and having good intuition and judgement as I have said above! Interviews and what I have found out about Nush since her time on BB have only reinforced my opnion unfortunately, I don't particularly relish in what I think of her.

Scott agreeing to the OK thing knowing what I do know is probably more to do with the fact that he is besotted with her and not prepared to give up on her yet, he wants to spend as much time with her as he can. Not as much to do with the money or manipulation but I am prepared to admit if I am wrong. I'm not as convinced of Nush's intentions as I said earlier.

Anyway, whatever, it's daft arguing about it, don't like her, don't trust her, that's all there is to it! You have your opinion, I have mine!

I never intended to take issue with vicky about her instant dislike of Nush. As I read it Vicky didn't know Nush or had never met her, but took an instant dislike to her the minute she walked down the stairs. All I was trying to find out is why Vicky disliked Nush.

I'm Sorry Vicky (and MonkeyPants) if you've taken offence at anything I said. Sometimes things written on here don't always come accross as intended.

No apology necessary, no offence taken.

It's difficult for me because I do know something but can't say and feel bad for what I have already said. I can't help how I feel about Nush but I will say that my opinion of her was not formed from when she walked down the stairs, it was formed from her attitude towards the other housemates from the first night onwards. On the first night she made it very clear be it not verbally that she liked to be the centre of attention and would let people know soon enough if she wasn't! This was only the start, it would take too much time to explain everything.
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What exactly is so wrong in being interested in what happens with Scott/Nush now that BB is over? For some of us, they made watching BB4 infinitely more interesting and pleasurable that it otherwise would have been and if we think they're suited to each other romantically, so what? It's harmless, doesn't hurt anyone and since we're not privy to the information you insist you have, it's fun speculating. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't then oh well. Until then, forgive us for taking an interest in media speculation while it lasts.

If you don't think it hurts anyone and you think it's acceptable to buy into media hype that's your perogative.

Btw, I resent the fact that Scott's "relationship" with Nush was made into the only interesting thing that was happening or indeed the only interesting thing that Scott did! This was well overdone in the final when Scott's highlights were shown and made him look a bit of a fool I thought! I know I'm not alone in thinking this and I have also heard Scott say this himself in an interview that it wasn't the only thing going on.

I would be pretty naffed off myself in that position. To spend 9 weeks in a house and come out only to find that the only thing the public found interesting about you was a flirtation with the house flirt would be pretty demoralising!

Anyway, think what you want about what I know or don't know as you obviously think. I am in a position where I can't convince you and to be honest I'm not going to lose sleep over it! I made my opinions, they weren't welcome with you, lets leave it at that!
Last edited by Vicky7 : 11-08-2003 at 01:39

They were booked into separate rooms at the £200-a-night, five-star Amathus Beach Hotel, near Limassol, southern Cyprus.


Ooh I went to Limassol this year... didn't stay in a five star hotel mind. Can't say it's the resort I would have thought OK! would have chosen but then a five star hotel is probably the same wherever it is.
Wonder if they went to the Happy Days bar
Beer 75c
cocktails £1

You're absolutely right, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't share yours but it's no biggie in the greater scheme of things. I'm also very much aware that there was more to Scott in the house than 'Scott and Nush'. Scott is a very likeable fellow and I admire many of his traits and personal characteristics. He was by far my favourite HM this year. But I also think that it is in his dynamic with Nush, that alot of what makes him so likeable came through to most people. He was an absolute gentleman and quite a few people I've come across since the end of BB have said that about him. It's hardly a terrible way to be remembered now is it?

Unfortunately he's not going to be remembered for anything else but 'Scott and Nush' is he though, thanks to Endemol! That makes me sad really.

I've sent you a pm explaining something anyway.

Originally posted by Tamara in the BB4 news and other links thread

Heat Magazine 16-22/08/2003 Heat Magazine 16-22/08/2003
Scott & Nush: The truth about their holiday together

• The trip was more about mates having fun than the start of something beautiful.
• The only reason they went away together is because they were offered a free holiday, a perk that is offered to some housemates post-Big Brother.
• Cameron and Gos went on an all-expenses-paid holiday to Chicago and Scott and Nush followed their lead," a friend explained. "Things have been manic since they left the house and they wanted to get away from it all. Who wouldn't jump at the chance of a free holiday?"
• "She didn't want anyone to think she was leading Scott on. But to be honest, he has been such a perfect gent in the house, she wasn't worried about him jumping on her."
After landing, the pair checked into the exclusive Amathus Beach Hotel. The pair had separate deluxe twin rooms, with an adjoining sitting area and sea views.
• "Scott hasn't had much work since he left the house but Nush has been really busy," revealed the friend.
• In between the odd walk and game of tennis, the pair spent most of their time chilling, giggling by the pool and having lazy lunches in the sun rather than wild nights out clubbing or romantic dinners together.
• "Scott and Nush had some quality time in Cyprus together one on one but Nush still thinks of him as a mate, " revealed the friend. "I think Scott will be dissapointed but he knows Nush wants to be single at the moment and is respecting her decision"
• Nush says, "I have never thought this could be 'the real thing'. I want this to be my definitive statement on the matter"

PS.. Sorry .. no link available"
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I bet OK! will still make it out to be a romantic holiday though.

Whatever story appears in whatever publication people are going to believe what they want to believe because they want to, simple as that!

I personally reckon that OK will follow suit on this version from Heat, but I've been wrong before!

I think u have a point there about people believing what they want to believe. As u can tell by my name i want the two to eventually be a couple, which i think will happen this year sometime. I don't think Nush would tell anyone about the state of her relationship with Scott who she doesn't trust and because this 'friend' has sold her out i believe the friend is not really a friend at all and is just making some extra money off her. I think she'd rather tell things as they were herself. Tho i could be wrong, it does happen occassionally.

... and the Heat article completely contradicts what Scott and Nush "allegedly" said in The Star .

As Vicky7 said the public can choose to believe whichever side they prefer LOL Whichever way if it keeps it in the public eye one or both of them stands to make a bob or two.

Well, I don't think they are suited,, I wouldn't like to see Scott with her, he deserves much better, and if she wanted to be with him she would be. When you fancy someone you fancy someone simple as that, none of this wanting to be single rubbish, she doesn't, it's obvious! I heard as much from someone, and sure enough, the quote comes up in Heat today that she never thought of Scott as the one, that's what I heard she'd said, or words to that effect. I think she'll either get back with her ex who I think she still loves, or she will find someone else and so should Scott.

Scott shouldn't wait around for her, he's too nice to wait around without someone to love him. I know these things, I've lived through it enough times at my age, lol! They are just friends, but for you who still believe, it costs nothing to dream does it? I'd make your dreams for yourself though, it's worth more in the end, and it's not as if you'll have a part in Scott and Nush's relationship is it!

Btw, Scott&nush, these "friends" are fictitious, made up by the press, same as most of the stories! NEVER believe what you read in the tabloids, something like 90% is made up to sell papers! You come across a bit naive if you don't mind me saying, no offence meant.

This seems grossly unfair!! How many housemates were offered free holidays and on what basis were they chosen? Gos and Nush have done pretty well considering they weren't finalists, while Steph appears to have missed out completely.

On the subject of Scott and Nush, I can't believe the amount of speculation that has appeared on this forum from normally intelligent, rational people. Was there any evidence AT ALL in their body language that they fancied each other - did you perceive one iota of sexual chemistry between them? I certainly didn't, although I can believe that Scott likes Nush. But as for Nush -as Vicky says, if you fancy someone your best-laid plans quickly get forgotten, and Nush's haven't.

I couldn't see any evidence of real chemistry other than an intense situation due to intense conditions where everything is magnified by about 100 and that's my job, to know people and read situations, so if I've got this wrong, I want sacking! lol You say that you couldn't see any either although like you I could see Scott felt something.

I think the thing is here, and this is going to sound patronising, I don't mean it to, all these people, and it only seems to be a handful of them across most of the forums I go on that want to believe it, seem quite a bit younger than me, (can't speak for you) so therefore more niave. Things are always nicer when you're younger, you're less cynical because you've been through it less!

However there's nothing wrong with that is there as long as they hope more for themselves than for people they don't know and probably never will. I think Scott and Nush will be friends for a long time but nothing else, she just doesn't fancy him. I'll tell you something, given me being a bit younger and if I was in Nush's situation, I would have gone for Scott by now, just like Helen did with Paul, that was the most genuine chemistry I have ever seen on BB! In my opinion, lightning very rarely strikes twice!

As u say Vicky, I am naive and I am young so I've still got a lot to learn I guess. Everyone has their own opinions about what's happening with the Scott and Nush situation tho I still hold some hope that things could change in the upcoming months tho my hope is starting to thin. I can see why Nush is holding off things for awhile tho, she isn't ready to emotionally commit just yet and wants to lead the single life for awhile as she hasn't really ever enjoyed it. I believe somewhere in her heart she has a soft spot for Scott and if his willing to wait for her, which it seems he is, then things could work out great for the both of them in the coming future.
There has been no denial by the two about them both fancying eachother and then again there has been no confirmation, unless u count what happened in the house. So people still hold hope that they might become a couple due to this. No harm at all in that. Once they confirm the state of their relationship, friends or a couple, then fans will be happy as then they'll know and conversation about them will die down.

And by the way her getting back with Geoff.....hmmm all I can say is "wow look at that flying pig"

What is your job, Vicky? I'm guessing psychologist or psychiatrist or something?

I suppose you could call me a Psychologist, yes, I work in a special centre, can't say any more about that though. I am hopefully just about to get the job I've always wanted and be what I call a real Psychologist, not that I don't enjoy the one I've got, the one I want is just a lot more challenging, I've got to pass one more exam yet before I do though!

Scott&nush, in the nicest possible way, I can see I'm flogging a dead horse with you! lol I know Nush doesn't fancy Scott and she has said it if you read between all the dizziness and lines that is Nush! However. as I said earlier, it doesn't do you any harm to be so posive and happy go lucky. You make sure you stay like that, it doesn't do you any harm I suppose and at least you're not a cynical, sometimes wise, (as I've been told anyway) old cow like me who's been there seen it done it and had several T-shirts! lol