Up until last night I thought Lee was spot on - thats what I'm talking abat!

I put his attack on Lindi down to an error / being misled.

But last night he showed a poorer side when ganging up on Lucinda.

Especially when he accused her of choosing to go off and not wanting to stay to do the creative stuff - a creative memory? Its not what happened, and he either knew it and conveniently forgot, or worse, bent the truth. Disappointed - I dont like dishonesty

Lee has knocked himself off the top spot from my reckoning and is only a little ahead of Alex (yuk) and Helene!

I'm a bit skeptical about it because clearly we didn't see the full jist of what happened. It cut from the point when it was not settled to Lucinda leaving for location so we've clearly missed a crucial part of the discussion.

I think Alex did rub off on Lee a lot, but then Lee was much nicer to her then Alex was during the task (to her face).

I think Lee doesn't know when to shut up.

I mean, he's a nice guy and I think all the shouting etc he does, well... it's just part of him really.

He seems like a sincere guy but just needs to control himself a bit better.

His presentation was toe-curling to say the least - did feel a bit sorry for him.

I think Lucinda rubbed the guys up the wrong way. I couldn't believe her attitude to them with her naughty naughty ... I liked her up to a couple of weeks ago and in fact thought she might win but now I see how she manulipates situations to suit her.

In fact Lee went up in my estimations last night as i thought he really tried to coll Lucinda down and was very reasonable with her. She in fact was quite nasy about both of them in her solo interview so she is no saint

I saw things from pretty much the opposite perspective. I think Lucinda has every right to question Alex and Lee's ideas, I think the advert and Lee's pitch speak for themselves.

Yes they do speak for themselves because they won ... the advert had all the essential ingredience included and the box was so bright and vibrant nobody could miss it on the shelves so lets face it Lucinda wasn't right was she ... Lucinda also undermined Lee just before the pitch and Lord knows he is not the best at speaking formally so she is no saint

I'm dissappointed in Lee also but for different reasons.

I don't think he was unfair on Lucinda.

I do however think he should be completely ashamed of himself for that presentation he gave. He was a complete joke and would have been fired if his team lost.

Lucinda seemed certain her team would be in the boardroom and was too obviously and too soon taking positions on that basis, which I'm sure Lee and Alex realised and will remember. It was a bad misjudgement on her part, as it seems to have been based on no more than an assumption that Raef's team would do a better job, when she had no evidence for this. Her own approach, as much as I could grasp it, was quite similar to Raef's.
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I think it was a case of who screwed up the least last week. Personally I value Lucinda's alternative and more original approach to Alex and Lee's If Lee is not the best at speaking formally then Lucinda or Alex should have done the pitch. It's not rocket science

They won because they read the challenge and managed to get all the elements required into the advert. On the other hand Raef went off on a creative task which is what Lucinda wanted to do. Luckily Alex & Lee had more sense.

On your last point I agree either Alex or Lucinda would have done the pitch better. Maybe Lee would have too if Lucinda hadn't undermined him by suggesting changes to the pitch at the last moment. He was clearly flustered by the changes and needed to refer to his notes which made for a disjointed pitch.

I wonder what possessed Lee to do the pitch. He must surely be self aware enough to realise that he is terrible at public speaking, I know they are all a bit deluded but that would be taking it to ridiculous degrees, the only explanation I can think of is that one (or both) of the others put him forward knowing he'd be hopeless so they'd have a fall guy in the event they lost the task.

Kind of the opposite of what happened to Claire who is really looking like the complete works. She does seem to play the game a bit but she does seem to know what she's talking about and her presentation looked excellent (shame, I'm still hoping for a Lucinda win)

I agree, except that it was Helene who did the presentation for that team.

As I noted elsewhere, it was not just Lucinda who distracted or 'undermined' Lee, it was both her and Alex as Margret pointed out.

The fault there was with the timing which was down to the PM. The presentation notes should have been finalised way back so that Lee could use otherwise dead time to get it fixed in his mind.

If you were disappointed with Lee last week wait until tonight's episode where nasty Lee comes out and starts taking his anger out some boxes. As for him being unfair to Lucinda I don't blame him, it's all Alex's fault, the guy is very good at driving people apart. In the shopping task Lee and Lucinda got on fantastically and from the on their friendship kept getting stronger and stronger. The moment Alex joined their team he broke their friendship.

No it really was Claire - Sralan even commented on it in the boardroom

I just watched the scene to be 100% certain seconds before I wrote that post.

It was Helene.

(Assuming she's the tall one who was wearing trousers and an unbuttoned waistcoat. )

Wasn't it a two-hander? Claire started the presentation and then Helene took over as far as I recall. I even remember thinking that SAS was a little remiss in holding up Claire for praise when Helene also presented fluently and without notes.

As for the OP's original point, not only did we not see how it came about that Lucinda was sent to search for locations - after she stated that both she and Lee would want to talk to the designer - we also have her saying after she came back that she had been "happy to go." So maybe Lee wasn't being dishonest at all. He may have got the impression that because one of them had to and because she'd been happy to go, that she did volunteer.

Creative memories are certainly something of a problem for both the participants and the watchers of this show.

I think Lee is more at ease when in the company of the male genre rather than the female genre.

I've just watched it again!

It starts withe Helene saying: "And what we were trying .... show you that now"

Advert plays.

Helene then says: "The TV advert captures ... start of our beautiful relationship"

Cut to the team after the presentation (where it looked as if Michael nearly tried to kiss Raef ).


And in many other scenarios.

I will freely admit to being quite positive I'd taken a particular position on some point and someone has said: "Don't you remember, you said ..." and I clearly remember saying that which absolutely convinces me I must be misremembering.

Fortunately it happens but rarely so I'm not headed for the Alzheimer's clinic just yet.

It is thar difficulty of remembering exactly what was said and by whom that causes me not to take too critical a view of every 'lie' that we see.

People like Michael and probably Jenny C were almost certainly lying quite deliberately but with the others it's usually not possible to tell.

Both Claire and helene did the presentation. However, neither Nick nor SAS praised her for her performance unlike Claire.

I've just told you that I watched the scene immediately before transcribing and posting.

The presentation (at least as far as it was shown on the programme) was done entirely by Helene. Claire didn't say a word.

You can watch it here.

Obviously this assumes that the haven't just edited Claire out of the transmitted programme - if so perhaps you can provide a link to the removed footage.

I replayed my video of the show and helene starts the presentation and Claire takes over. It is a joint effort really. Neither referred to notes.

Well .. For some reason Sir Alan and Nick didn't like her performance and gave the credit to Claire.

Love it.