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This is the final! We have to support Jessie!
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Flamethrower100
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by mickeymouse18:
“i personally think jessie has had the most consistent vocal in the competition (bar fighter lol) she has never cracked on a note (like jodie and rachel), in fact i don't think she ever has been out of tune (bar fighter lol) i don;t think her vocal was a problem in stop, it was her movement”

I liked Stop. Not the performence of the night, but I thought it a very good vocal. Second best of the night.
mickeymouse18
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by Flamethrower100:
“I liked Stop. Not the performence of the night, but I thought it a very good vocal. Second best of the night.”

same here, thats the thing with jessie, you never need to worry about her voice
Satchmo
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by Flamethrower100:
“Well yes I thought that would be obvious to most people. But perhaps I should have said fans only.
I didn't word it right. Not everyone has to support Jessie. But saying that she's useless just really irritates me.
They think they know more than ALW who's made a fortune out of musicals. No I have to say it, a lot of people in this world are totaly up themselves. ”

I didn't say she was useless - just not overly good at things, that are IMO, crucial to a West End role.

ALW's (IIRC) never had the chance to vote her off so citing him as a reason for her being there is redundant.
thenetworkbabe
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“Why can't we? We've seen her try to act several times and quite frankly it's not been good. The fact that the acting tasks have always been aired after the votes are in has kept her in this competition so far.

I'd also question why you think her movement (or lack of) works in her favour?”


The fact is that Sam has had consistently the same of worse comments on her acting. The only one who thinks she is good is Barrowman who taught her to overact just as unconvincingly as she was underacting. Her eyes still are acting something completely different and her voice rarely interprets the song either. Jodie for me hasn't been much better - in the context of this series all of the professional actresses could have acted a Jodie Nancy far better . Its just not convincing.

Jessie's first advantage is that she can interpret what she is reading or singing and get somewhere near to it - she at least knows what she should be doing and has six months to make it look right. They might be able to give very close direction to someone who can't interpret but I doubt if many people will believe it . In Sam's case people will notice that Sam is doing something odd as soon as she says her line just as much as they will Jessie doing something quirky (unless she falls over)

Jessie's second advantage (leaving aside having the only voice with wow factor) is that in her own clothes or the Victorian garb she looks the part more than Sam (too modern) or Jodie (who could be Oliver's grandmother and can't act well enough to look as if she was from a century earlier) She's also personally more like Nancy the vulnerable fighter - watch her reaction to going through last week compared to Jodie in tears and Sam who is just detached most of the time. I can see Jodie collapsing in tears at the sight of Bill or clouting him and being the urchins real mother more than I can see her doing what she's meant to.

The movement argument is clear. Sam would look like someone transported in from a pop video. Nancy woouldn't move as if she had done modern dance, tap or ballet. Jodie can move like a (former) street urchin of the period might but its not clear she could even do that in long dance numbers without doing an impression of someone in the London smog of the time. Jessie looks like she can do tomboy Nancy all day, will move better after 6 months and any quirks she has can probably be incorporated into the character.Helena Bonham Carter put years of experience and considerable acting brilliance into her gait in Sweeney Todd to convey aspects of her character - Jessie just does that walk naturally. I agree most other parts would require something a lot different but I can't see Fagin or Bill looking balletic either.
Satchmo
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“The fact is that Sam has had consistently the same of worse comments on her acting. The only one who thinks she is good is Barrowman who taught her to overact just as unconvincingly as she was underacting. Her eyes still are acting something completely different and her voice rarely interprets the song either. Jodie for me hasn't been much better - in the context of this series all of the professional actresses could have acted a Jodie Nancy far better . Its just not convincing.

Jessie's first advantage is that she can interpret what she is reading or singing and get somewhere near to it - she at least knows what she should be doing and has six months to make it look right. They might be able to give very close direction to someone who can't interpret but I doubt if many people will believe it . In Sam's case people will notice that Sam is doing something odd as soon as she says her line just as much as they will Jessie doing something quirky (unless she falls over)

Jessie's second advantage (leaving aside having the only voice with wow factor) is that in her own clothes or the Victorian garb she looks the part more than Sam (too modern) or Jodie (who could be Oliver's grandmother and can't act well enough to look as if she was from a century earlier) She's also personally more like Nancy the vulnerable fighter - watch her reaction to going through last week compared to Jodie in tears and Sam who is just detached most of the time. I can see Jodie collapsing in tears at the sight of Bill or clouting him and being the urchins real mother more than I can see her doing what she's meant to.

The movement argument is clear. Sam would look like someone transported in from a pop video. Nancy woouldn't move as if she had done modern dance, tap or ballet. Jodie can move like a (former) street urchin of the period might but its not clear she could even do that in long dance numbers without doing an impression of someone in the London smog of the time. Jessie looks like she can do tomboy Nancy all day, will move better after 6 months and any quirks she has can probably be incorporated into the character.Helena Bonham Carter put years of experience and considerable acting brilliance into her gait in Sweeney Todd to convey aspects of her character - Jessie just does that walk naturally. I agree most other parts would require something a lot different but I can't see Fagin or Bill looking balletic either.”

I think you're mistaking me for an errant Sam fan, hell bent on counter-espionage; I'm not, so the comparisons to Sam are lost on me. I don't like her either but as this is a Jessie thread then I felt obliged to comment.

It's incredibly reassuring to read that Jessie (through no practice) has managed to move with the same gait as a renowned actress who's spent years perfecting such a walk. Find a role that requires a clumsy, ungainly walk and you needn't spend out for HBC cos Jessie does it naturally.
Doh, these damned casting people don't know everything after all.
Barry101
30-05-2008
Are we underestimating Jessie?
She is going for a part and looks to have all the odd aspects required. Is this just luck?

6 months ago hardly anyone would have considered the Nancy role as being suitable for someone like Jessie. Now many people consider her perfect.

Has Jessie become Nancy OR has Nancy become Jessie?

Is star quality measured by ability to fill a role or by the ability to redefine a role?
LaurieMarlow
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
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It's incredibly reassuring to read that Jessie (through no practice) has managed to move with the same gait as a renowned actress who's spent years perfecting such a walk. Find a role that requires a clumsy, ungainly walk and you needn't spend out for HBC cos Jessie does it naturally.
Doh, these damned casting people don't know everything after all.”

I don't know why your rubbishing thenetworkbabe's point, because it's a legitimate one. It's simple - Nancy was rough and tumble, clumsy and tomboyish. Jessie is all those things naturally. A graceful Nancy wouldn't really ring true for me, she was dragged up on the streets of London. For me, Jessie's ungainliness is an asset for the part.
mickeymouse18
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“The fact is that Sam has had consistently the same of worse comments on her acting. The only one who thinks she is good is Barrowman who taught her to overact just as unconvincingly as she was underacting. Her eyes still are acting something completely different and her voice rarely interprets the song either. Jodie for me hasn't been much better - in the context of this series all of the professional actresses could have acted a Jodie Nancy far better . Its just not convincing.

Jessie's first advantage is that she can interpret what she is reading or singing and get somewhere near to it - she at least knows what she should be doing and has six months to make it look right. They might be able to give very close direction to someone who can't interpret but I doubt if many people will believe it . In Sam's case people will notice that Sam is doing something odd as soon as she says her line just as much as they will Jessie doing something quirky (unless she falls over)

Jessie's second advantage (leaving aside having the only voice with wow factor) is that in her own clothes or the Victorian garb she looks the part more than Sam (too modern) or Jodie (who could be Oliver's grandmother and can't act well enough to look as if she was from a century earlier) She's also personally more like Nancy the vulnerable fighter - watch her reaction to going through last week compared to Jodie in tears and Sam who is just detached most of the time. I can see Jodie collapsing in tears at the sight of Bill or clouting him and being the urchins real mother more than I can see her doing what she's meant to.

The movement argument is clear. Sam would look like someone transported in from a pop video. Nancy woouldn't move as if she had done modern dance, tap or ballet. Jodie can move like a (former) street urchin of the period might but its not clear she could even do that in long dance numbers without doing an impression of someone in the London smog of the time. Jessie looks like she can do tomboy Nancy all day, will move better after 6 months and any quirks she has can probably be incorporated into the character.Helena Bonham Carter put years of experience and considerable acting brilliance into her gait in Sweeney Todd to convey aspects of her character - Jessie just does that walk naturally. I agree most other parts would require something a lot different but I can't see Fagin or Bill looking balletic either.”

excellent post
mickeymouse18
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by Barry101:
“Are we underestimating Jessie?
She is going for a part and looks to have all the odd aspects required. Is this just luck?

6 months ago hardly anyone would have considered the Nancy role as being suitable for someone like Jessie. Now many people consider her perfect.

Has Jessie become Nancy OR has Nancy become Jessie?
Is star quality measured by ability to fill a role or by the ability to redefine a role?”

great point, I'm not sure which though lol
melvin_m_melvin
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by Flamethrower100:
“This is the final! We have to support Jessie!”

Fear not.

Silent majority, unite
Selah
30-05-2008
Please, please let the final involved singing Nancy songs! I think that then the public will hopefully see who REALLY could play the part. I don't want to see "....." being "....." I want to see a strong actress playing the part of Nancy!!!!
mickeymouse18
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by melvin_m_melvin:
“Fear not.

Silent majority, unite ”

definitely
kates89
30-05-2008
I think the amount of support Jessie has is understated. Just looking at all the comments on youtube and the comment section on the website a lot of people really do want her to win. Considering she doesn't have all the regional voting like the others do she really must be popular with us!
CASPER1066
30-05-2008
ALW said in his bbc interview that Jessie was his one at first...but she hasnt improved since the stand by your man song........looks like he has changed his mind

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/en...00/7426176.stm
mickeymouse18
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by CASPER1066:
“ALW said in his bbc interview that Jessie was his one at first...but she hasnt improved since the stand by your man song........looks like he has changed his mind

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/en...00/7426176.stm”

it doesn't say he has changed his mind, he still thinks she has a good chance of winning
CASPER1066
30-05-2008
i dont think so...............
mickeymouse18
30-05-2008
"she's got a very good chance I think now because having worked with Liza Minnelli of all people, Jessie's probably closer to Judy Garland/Liza Minnelli territory than the other two girls." direct quote
Dub1
30-05-2008
Jessie will win.She is the only one with anything approaching star quality.
Flamethrower100
30-05-2008
He never said that Jessie was his favourite at all. He said he thought that she was the front runner.
But now he's not so sure he thinks that she hasn't got any better or any worse and that she has a good chance.
Casper's really getting on my nerves. That Jodie fan is everywhere you turn on this thread. If Jodie wins I'll just go oh well that's all well and good. But I'd actualy be happy if Jessie wins.
mickeymouse18
30-05-2008
lol casper didn't reply when I gave him a quote from the article that proved what it weren't correct, I don't see the pont of twisting information
Flamethrower100
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by mickeymouse18:
“lol casper didn't reply when I gave him a quote from the article that proved what it weren't correct, I don't see the pont of twisting information”

Too desperate for words.
Tissy
30-05-2008
Originally Posted by Selah:
“Please, please let the final involved singing Nancy songs! I think that then the public will hopefully see who REALLY could play the part. I don't want to see "....." being "....." I want to see a strong actress playing the part of Nancy!!!!”

Too late, they`ve already left the competition !!
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