Lucinda showed she just can't cut it.

What happened with the raffle tickets? Why was she not pulled up on wasting so much time and calling the Aston by the wrong name?!! Geez, if an unknown person stopped you in the street trying to sell raffle tickets for £30 would you buy? Her idea (or was it?!) was a total waste of time.

She is clingy, silly, & whiny. Surely she must be the next one out?

Just to put your comments into context, do you know anything about Tractors? I am certain I know absolutely diddly squat about tractors and wouldn't know the first thing about selling one. About the only thing I would know is that the best place to sell them, would be in the country where the farmers live; or possibly at the English equivalent of Royal Highland Show we have in Edinburgh. As to wasting time, Michael wasted more time then she did; even to the point of running off to chase a lost sale.

With the raffle tickets, you only have to go to Gatwick, Heathrow or Glasgow airports, to see displays like they had with chances to win a track day in a super car.

I think the editing is unkind to Lucinda, as in previous tasks she hasn't seemed clingy, silly or whiny. I get the distinct feeling she is a very organised person and the task was something that was outside her knowledge. Having Lee (the PM remember) and Alex turn their back on her, left her
adrift with no direction. I don't think she will go any further, but I also don't think she is as bad as someone like Alex.

Lee's people management skills for this task were nil.

There seems to be a general, unwarranted, assumption that everyone knows about cars.

Lucinda clearly knew she would be out of her depth trying to sell them and told Lee that very honestly and very clearly.

All she wanted was a chance to work with someone who knew what they were doing so she could get up to speed.

Lee should have listened to her, realised that she wasn't going to do anything useful and let her spend an hour watching him and Alex sell nothing while he gave her a crash course in flash cars and spotting the boys who were likely to buy time in them.

That was all she wanted.

And if anyone (who isn't into the technicalities of computers) wants to get all sanctimonious about how she should have just got on with it, imagine I suddenly gave you three of the latest all singing, all dancing computer motherboards and told you to go and sell them straight away, then refused to give you the slightest bit of coaching or support.

If you think you'd have done any better than Lucinda you're a bigger bullshitter than MS!

Her sole 'crime' this week was not being interested in cars.

Certainly Lee did well on the sales side of this task but his people management was pure s**te!

Lucinda was crap (by her own admission).... but what on earth was Lee thinking sending his weakest person out to sell on their own???

And it was totally Lucinda's idea about the raffle tickets in the back of the car - even tho it was an idea they didnt run with in the end - we all saw Alex blatantly lied about that.

I agree that she should have stepped up more tho - Helene threw herself into the task, so no reason why Lucinda couldnt have... but then again Helene wasnt working with 2 boys who did their level best to marginalise her because they thought she wasnt up to the task

I think they put it rather well in The Telegrapgh:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main...bvtv28last.xml



I do think she could have handled the situation better, but still, she deserved to be treated with a damn sight more respect than she was.

Also, Helene was working with Claire with whom she seems to get on very well and therefore at least had a role model to get up to speed with the task.

Working in a sales environment, I have to say I'd have done exactly what Lee did, get my strongest team selling the high earner and just hope to pick up some sales on the other car. I adore Lucinda, but there was no excuse for her not knowing which car she was selling - Lee could have given more coaching certainly, and in the real world he probably would have, but they're working to strict timescales and under pressure to achieve results very quickly, there simply wasn't time to do it, and after 10 weeks I would expect the person I'm working with to be able to pick up the basics very quickly.

However, the raffle tickets were completely her idea and Alex was a snake trying to claim it, Lee showed himself to be easily influenced, although I am sure there's a bit of a bromance going on between Alex and Lee

Lucinda - says she knows nothing about cars or about selling, asks if she can have some assistance from team members who do but doesn't get it and is treated as an irritant and sent to the sidelines by Aleex as she was the previous week, isn't very good but sells £65 worth of car rental.

Helene - says she knows nothing about direct sales but gets help from Claire who is a role model to get her up to speed with the task and is involved in the selling and included in the team at all points during the day. She sells nothing.

I think Alex and Lee acted like a couple of pr*cks in their treatment of Lucinda. I think they were deliberately marginalizing her to set her up to get the chop in case their team lost, ( witness Alex's lie re the raffle idea & Lee going back on his word to make sure she was not left on her own).

I also think Nick's 'victim' remark was uncalled for - she was the victim.

Although Lucinda is not a natural sales person, she has demonstrated over the weeks that she has many strengths. It's a testament to Lee's weakness as a team manager that he was unwilling/unable to find a way of utilizing them this week.

Absolutely. But you have to remember this is Alex's forte......

If I had been Lee I would have a least got her to practice a sales pitch on him at the house before setting out so she had at least some feedback rather than following him around like a headless chicken

the whole point is she wasnt being asked to tune the cars or drive them just sell them - the least she could do is remember the name

they are put in unfamiluar situations and are supposed to use their skills and talents to do their best in that situation - she didnt - how many times has she said I dont know how to do that? I'm sure most of the apprentices knew nothing about wedding dresses but managed to sell them to people who knew lots about wedding dresses -brides!

Lucinda's contribution was pretty miserable this week; conversing and selling to the general public is obviously not one of her strong points, but she should have tried to make the best of a bad situation.

She couldn't even remember the name of the car, which was an absolute basic requirement of this task.

This is true but it's not a statistically valid sample. You can draw absolutely no inference from it whatsoever.

From a pure numbers POV you cannot even infer that Lee and Alex are better than Helene! You may find that hard to believe but ask any statistician and they will confirm it.

Alex and Lee are both salesmen and obviously both know enough about cars.

As such they had a massive head start.

To get a true idea of Helene and Lucinda's worth they would need to be given a days intensive training to at least try and level the playing field.

Otherwise you are comparing people who have the knowledge and experience to do a task with people who haven't and that is plain silly.

It's a television reality programme that is edited to present people in a certain way and where the playing feel is never, ever level. I am a mere viewer and commenting as such, not as a statistician.

Lucinda and Helene were both pretty terrible at sales but Lucinda got no help whatsoever and Helene did. Also I don't like Helene very much so I am unlikely to give her the benefit of the doubt

Lucinda has demonstrated over the last few weeks she has no strengths. She is barely capable of performing the most basic of tasks and she has a ludicrous number of severe failings. Her deluded supporters cite her success as project manager ( ice cream selling and wedding show ) as evidence of her capabilities, but fail to realise that the two tasks required little team organisation or demands on the team leader, her hands off approach and general ineptness were not a handicap as the team members were able to meet the challenges in the task without any input from the team leader.

She is a schoolchild playing at being an adult doing a grown up task, she thinks the whole world revolves around her needs and desires and as a result she has no grip on reality.

Basically you are someone who takes a dislike to aperson and then delights in making the most vicious, spiteful posts you can about them at every oportunity.

You're really telling us nothing about Lucinda or your current pet hate object but you're telling us one hell of a lot about yourself.

What Lucinda's problem is that her role is one of back office organisation, control and in short to sanity check. Every project needs a person like this to question and challenge the thought train and make sure the project keeps its feet on the ground. This is something which she seems very good at.

What her problem is that when she is taken out of her comfort zone and placed in a situation on her own where chaos and uncertainties rule, in this environment her first reaction is to stand back and panic. So she will likely take a little more time to settle into a sales role than others who work in a more customer facing situation.

Lee realised the key to winning the task was to sell the Zonda so is justified in putting the majority of effort in that areas. However he failed miserably as a person manager in his role as leader firstly by not listening to Lucinda then by lying to her. All it would have taken was a conversation to explain his plans, where she fitted in and what his expectations of her were in the task. Instead he chose to ignore and sideline her.

Alex was his usual deceiving twonker self.

So Lucinda was treated badly and ignored by Lee, obviously setting her up as the scapegoat. Though gamewise this might have been a bad choice as it gave Alex his only opportunity to shine.

I don't put any blame on Lucinda for the task, and as time went on she did gain in confidence. Her main failure though was in failing basic preparation. I.e. she may not know anything about cars but at least she could have got the name of the product correct. Or showed initiative my researching it.

No one is damning the inept Lucinda merely for a complete lack of knowledge about cars, she is damned because she couldn't perform basic human skills such as remembering what she was selling. She couldn't even tackle the challenges in the task she faced in the most basic manner, she didn't identify the first steps of what she had to do. Even the most intellectually-stunted person would have identified the product they were trying to sell, and then researched the product and its market and then a strategy for selling it. She failed at every basic hurdle, the woman is a self-centred, self-indulgent disaster.

I don't think there is anything vicious in my post, just an objective analysis of Lucinda and her capabilities.

If she showed some self-awareness and less self-indulgence of her needs then I would be less critical, but we have a deluded candidate who seems to think she is very capable when she isn't. She demonstrated in the last task that she will whine, moan and criticise her team mates in a destructive and self-indulgent manner on a whim yet she does not begin to recognise her own multitudinous shortcomings, and so as she is so willing to dispense unjustified criticism that she should not be protected from justified criticism.

Thank you, Alex, for yet another piece of your mindless vitriol.

If you know nothing about cars, getting the name wrong is something you do once. If no one points it out to you you simply go on making the same mistake. This applies to everyone, not just Lucinda.

As to research, I wonder how you expect her to do that when her manager had already taken a chunk out of her time by getting her to prepare the raffle tickets, just how do you expect someone with no knowledge of cars to research the product and the market and still have time left to sell in one day?

The idea is preposterous and merely shows that you will spout any old nonsense if it enables you to continue you campaign against one of your hate objects. (Who mainly seem to be the surviving girls )

She is good at moaning in a destructive manner and being blind to the priorities of a task, she is not good at challenging decisions when they need to be challenged.

So far she has managed to get through by benefiting from the work and skills of others, she is utterly deluded about her abilities and sees the world as revolving around her needs and desires. Her performance in the boardroom this time was a wonderful example of her self-centred and detached view of the world. She would prefer to spend hours relaying her personal development and feelings to others than focussing on the task, a very immature approach.

Lucinda was entirely to blame for her appalling performance, as I detailed above she didn't even do the basics in approaching her task, she didn't do any research into the product to the point she couldn't even remember its name. For that alone she deserves to go.

Objective? Bwaaa ha ha ha ha!


Funnily enough, most people seemed to think her criticisms in the tissue task were justified, the only question being whether she spent too much time enumerating them.

Her criticism in this task that she was sent off to do a job she admitted she could not do by her manager who refused her any reasonable support whatsoever is most certainly justified - even AS picked up on it.

What makes your posts merely worthless vitriol is you prediliction for picking on some small weakness, blowing it up until it seems like the crime of the century and then demolishing the victim of your hatred.

Don't even try and kid yourself that your posts are objective, they are anything but.

To an extent, however, to be able to hire out the vehicle she must have had the paperwork with her, which would have had the make of car on it, there really is no excuse for making that mistake over and over.


Fair enough point which I agree with to an extent. Don't get me wrong, generally I adore Lucinda, however she was weak on this task and did seem to take the victim role a bit too readily. Lee could have certainly dealt better with her, but as I said earlier in this thread, as someone who sells for a living, in that sort of heavily pressurised environment and working to such a strict and limited timescale, I'd have probably have divided the teams the same way he did.

Lucinda's many attributes obviously are more orintated to managing a task and people, which she's done brilliantly in the past, rather then selling.

This is arrant nonsense.

Knowing nothing about cars has NOTHING to do with not knowing the name of the product you are trying to sell, and she didn't just do it once she later couldn't even pronounce the name correctly. It was all indicative of the same problem, she couldn't even do the most basic preparation.

If I had to sell wedding dresses I would at least learn the names of the products I had to sell, and she only had to learn two names! She is just useless at everything, and utterly incapable of identifying a strategy for a business task.

She wanted to do the raffle tickets so you can't blame Lee. Your excuse about her reasons for lack of research are ridiculous. She didn't do ANY at all, and she clearly didn't read ANY of the promotional material she had been given, there is NO excuse.

I can't believe the depths of specious arguments that are being deployed to obfuscate the reality of the situation, Lucinda is utterly inept and would be outperformed by the most inept of people. Sugar's contempt for her self-indulgent performance in the boardroom was well justified.