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Lucinda & the car task
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The-Apprentice
29-05-2008
I think the lads made the right decision.

The primary concern was winning the task and that was to be acheived by maximising the sales on the Zonda.

This could not have been done with Lucinda on the sales teal for that product.

Lee had no option but to send her alone to sell the Aston.

Furthermore it was just frustrating watching her. She couldn't even understand what Lee meant by use your judgement when it came to deciding whether or not to sell tickets or not.

She insisted on following Lee about/shadow him for no apparant reason.

She was a liability and was right to be marginalised during the task.
Katenutzs
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by badfelafel:
“It really doesnt matter that she knew nothing about cars. The apprentice is supposed to be about future business leaders, who can turn their hands to anything suralan throws at them... Highly capable and useful.

Lucinda can't sell. Doesn't know what a car is. Can't use a computer.

She's a blindingly brilliant manager when things are going well, with good morale in her team. But that alone doesn't make a mini-tycoon!

And yes, she does pull things out of the hat after they have been done, and then wastes everybody's time making a big fuss about them. Not constructive.

But she is really good at rubbing people up the wrong way!”

I agree Lucinda can't do much really. Her main problem is she forgot she is no longer in play school but in a series interviewing her for a job with a big money tag.

By programme 10 she should not need someone holding her hand to sell. Her preformance this week confirms what all the others have said about her previously, she is disrutpive when she does not get her own way and whiny to the point of being labeled as a spoilt brat.
pogo ogo
29-05-2008
She needed to use her own intitiative a bit more and also read up on the car a lot more also. Lee did right by sending her to the Aston because they needed to drum up business with the Zonda as it was the highest earner. Lucinda would have been a hindrance to the rentals of the Zonda if she was placed with Lee as she didn't have a clue and also was very disruptive to the task in hand. I think Lee might have actually got to the point where he thought she wasn't learning anything by sitting with her and going through the details of the car, however, he maybe could have taken her to the location of the Zonda and taught her a thing or two about sales and then sent her away.
vidalia
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by williams96:
“So what exactly is Lucinda supposed to do to do something right by the boys?”

Growing a penis and shaving might be a step in the right direction.
Dave Javue
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by vidalia:
“Growing a penis and shaving might be a step in the right direction.”

When did Lee or Alex last shave?

(Actually Alex did shave before they went into the boardroom - first time this series).
vidalia
29-05-2008
^ Lee and Alex do that brand of shaving that seems to leave a certain predetermined length of stubblage. I'm not sure how it is achieved.
lumpbottom
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by pogo ogo:
“She needed to use her own intitiative a bit more and also read up on the car a lot more also. Lee did right by sending her to the Aston because they needed to drum up business with the Zonda as it was the highest earner. Lucinda would have been a hindrance to the rentals of the Zonda if she was placed with Lee as she didn't have a clue and also was very disruptive to the task in hand. I think Lee might have actually got to the point where he thought she wasn't learning anything by sitting with her and going through the details of the car, however, he maybe could have taken her to the location of the Zonda and taught her a thing or two about sales and then sent her away.”

I wouldn't mind betting that neither Lee or Alex had a clue about the Zonda either.

How many rentals exactly did they sell when they were on their own at the first location?
floopy123
29-05-2008
Lucinda must be one of the all-time worst candidates. The way she needed Lee to help her was, quite frankly, pathetic. Had she ever seen the show before? Since when did candidates need to be nurse-maided by other candidates? The whole point of the Apprentice is to think for yourself, use your initiative - a quality Lucinda lacks in abundance. And she also moans a lot too. She's certainly fluked her way to the final five! I can't imagine Sugar ever hiring her for any position in his company.
2LO
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by floopy123:
“ Since when did candidates need to be nurse-maided by other candidates?”

Since managers started forcing candidates to do things outside their field of expertise when they have been very clearly and honestly told that said candidate cannot do that task.

Lucinda hasn't 'fluked' her way to the final five.

She's got there because although she's had a few bad patches she's never been responsible for losing a task.

That's the way the game works.
maelstrom
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by 2LO:
“Since managers started forcing candidates to do things outside their field of expertise when they have been very clearly and honestly told that said candidate cannot do that task.”

What has been Lucinda's field of expertise? I think it's pretty silly to come on TA and then mope about a lack of selling ability. That's pretty much 90% of the show. It would be like showing up at a job interview without having done a bit of research into the job itself.
ForeverBeret
29-05-2008
I read somewhere that Lucinda (and indeed several other candidates) hadn't seen The Apprentice before applying.
dome
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by maelstrom:
“What has been Lucinda's field of expertise? I think it's pretty silly to come on TA and then mope about a lack of selling ability. That's pretty much 90% of the show. It would be like showing up at a job interview without having done a bit of research into the job itself.”


If that was the case she wouldn't have made it through the interview stage.
lumpbottom
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by maelstrom:
“What has been Lucinda's field of expertise? I think it's pretty silly to come on TA and then mope about a lack of selling ability. That's pretty much 90% of the show. It would be like showing up at a job interview without having done a bit of research into the job itself.”

Selling does play a large part, but only because it's an easy way of determining the task winners.
It's also about management, using people's strengths and avoiding their weakness. Lucinda has never professed to be the best salesperson in Europe or anything like it. She also said her IT skills were not good, yet her 'managers' have insisted she do these things.

Lucinda shines when she is doing what she's good at, and knows it - unlike most of the others, that's managing. She is a leader, the others are merely bluffing.

If not the winner, she's certainly going to be the last female standing.
ForeverBeret
29-05-2008
SAS has it in for her. It's possible that she might manage to impress the interviewers - if this series has taught us anything it's that Lucinda is unpredictable - but I fear the boss man has it in for her.

She'd be better off applying for a job with the Badger.
2LO
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by maelstrom:
“What has been Lucinda's field of expertise? I think it's pretty silly to come on TA and then mope about a lack of selling ability. That's pretty much 90% of the show. It would be like showing up at a job interview without having done a bit of research into the job itself.”

Management and the application of common sense.

Had she been better deployed she would have made more of a contribution.

Sending someone who has just told you that thay cannot to a task to go and do that task is sheer buffoonery.

I don't care that Lee thought he needed all his strength to hanlde the Zonda. If it was going to take two experienced salesmen who have both boasted about their sales prowess and know something about cars to handle one car how on earth did he expect someone who was not experienced in sales and knew nothing about cars to manage.

I like Lee, but it was absurd behaviour.
sarahcs
29-05-2008
As it turned out Alex sold the vast majority of the rentals on his own (was it £8k?) so Lee could have gone with Lucinda to help with the Aston Martin, at least for an hour or so.
pogo ogo
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by lumpbottom:
“I wouldn't mind betting that neither Lee or Alex had a clue about the Zonda either.

How many rentals exactly did they sell when they were on their own at the first location?”

I meant in terms of approaching the sales, not the car itself.
Kris
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by 2LO:
“Management and the application of common sense.

Had she been better deployed she would have made more of a contribution.

Sending someone who has just told you that thay cannot to a task to go and do that task is sheer buffoonery.

I don't care that Lee thought he needed all his strength to hanlde the Zonda. If it was going to take two experienced salesmen who have both boasted about their sales prowess and know something about cars to handle one car how on earth did he expect someone who was not experienced in sales and knew nothing about cars to manage.

I like Lee, but it was absurd behaviour.”

I don't think it was absurd behaviour, just not that honest. He knew what cars the other team had gone for so what he should have said was

"Stuff the Aston, if we sell two days worth of the Zonda we've won the task, end of, that's what I'm talking about, kataanga aaaarrrrggghhh!"

As it turned out, one day would have done it!

It didn't need 3 salespeople to sell the Zonda so it didn't matter what Lucinda did. As an added benefit that set her up as scapegoat if they didn't get the 2 days they needed.
2LO
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by Kris:
“I don't think it was absurd behaviour, just not that honest. He knew what cars the other team had gone for so what he should have said was

"Stuff the Aston, if we sell two days worth of the Zonda we've won the task, end of, that's what I'm talking about, kataanga aaaarrrrggghhh!"

As it turned out, one day would have done it!

It didn't need 3 salespeople to sell the Zonda so it didn't matter what Lucinda did. As an added benefit that set her up as scapegoat if they didn't get the 2 days they needed.”

Yes, the behaviour was not necessarily absurd if you consider it in the context of the whole game.

On the other hand it was still pretty daft.

If he won, then he didn't need a scapegoat and his bad management of the task (as opposed to his strategy for the overall game) could come back to haunt him.

On the other had, what if they had lost?

Had both he and Alex sold a day in the Zonda (does anyone else find that an extremely unpromising name for a supercar? A sort of cross between something Eastern European and Trabant like and a Honda) then there's a chance his strategy would have worked (but probably only if it was feasible that some one could have closed the gap with the AM).

On the other hand, if only one of them had sold a day (and that could very easily have happened), his strategy would have been deemed disasterous by AS (who is very fond of treating the outcome of pot luck scenarios as if they were obvious to him all along).
lumpbottom
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by sarahcs:
“As it turned out Alex sold the vast majority of the rentals on his own (was it £8k?) so Lee could have gone with Lucinda to help with the Aston Martin, at least for an hour or so.”

Yes and that was after they'd moved.

Originally Posted by pogo ogo:
“I meant in terms of approaching the sales, not the car itself.”


So how many did they actually sell at the first location?
cheekymaliky
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by Scots_Dragon:
“Just to put your comments into context, do you know anything about Tractors? I am certain I know absolutely diddly squat about tractors and wouldn't know the first thing about selling one. About the only thing I would know is that the best place to sell them, would be in the country where the farmers live; or possibly at the English equivalent of Royal Highland Show we have in Edinburgh. As to wasting time, Michael wasted more time then she did; even to the point of running off to chase a lost sale.

With the raffle tickets, you only have to go to Gatwick, Heathrow or Glasgow airports, to see displays like they had with chances to win a track day in a super car.

I think the editing is unkind to Lucinda, as in previous tasks she hasn't seemed clingy, silly or whiny. I get the distinct feeling she is a very organised person and the task was something that was outside her knowledge. Having Lee (the PM remember) and Alex turn their back on her, left her
adrift with no direction. I don't think she will go any further, but I also don't think she is as bad as someone like Alex.”

And a very warm welcome to...Lucindas Mum..Hi!
lumpbottom
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by pogo ogo:
“She needed to use her own intitiative a bit more and also read up on the car a lot more also. Lee did right by sending her to the Aston because they needed to drum up business with the Zonda as it was the highest earner. Lucinda would have been a hindrance to the rentals of the Zonda if she was placed with Lee as she didn't have a clue and also was very disruptive to the task in hand. I think Lee might have actually got to the point where he thought she wasn't learning anything by sitting with her and going through the details of the car, however, he maybe could have taken her to the location of the Zonda and taught her a thing or two about sales and then sent her away.”

She wasn't the only one. The others obviously needed to too.
Aston Martin - Manufacturer
Ferrari - Manufacturer
Spyker - Manufacturer

Zonda - model
Manufactured by Pagani.

If they were referring to the other by marque, they should have done the same for the Zonda.

Same as saying
Vauxhall - Peugeot - Audi and 1.9TD
muffin the mule
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by floopy123:
“Lucinda must be one of the all-time worst candidates. .”

Nonsense...

She is a one off...quite prepared to speak her mind and go her way and I applaud her for that.

To my mind, as mentioning in earlier posts, she was being set up for the sack if the team lost.

Siralan doesn't like her anyway so I don't think she'll win
Jacob_bb
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by cyfrin:
“Lucinda showed she just can't cut it.

What happened with the raffle tickets? Why was she not pulled up on wasting so much time and calling the Aston by the wrong name?!! Geez, if an unknown person stopped you in the street trying to sell raffle tickets for £30 would you buy? Her idea (or was it?!) was a total waste of time.

She is clingy, silly, & whiny. Surely she must be the next one out? ”

Clingy?
No - she wanted guidance by Lee - the person who was meant to be her Project Manager... She was thrown in the deep end - a good Project Manager would sort out the weakneses of the Group, and help the person who needed it (A good Project Manager = Lucinda) - but Lee ignored her, and he as the reason she may have seemed clingy.

Silly?
What(?) Silly, for not knowing what the hell she was talking about!? That's like someone taking me, and saying 'sell these Russian Vases' - I mean, I have no idea about the facts of these items, and cannot identify each one, so how am I gonna be able to sell them?! She had no guidance - which is exactly what she gives when she is a Project Manager.

Whiny?
For lack of a better word, Lee betrayed her... He was influenced by arrogant Alex, (who stole her idea), to basically turn his back on Lucinda - he went down in my opinion, and a lot of other people's opinions... If only Sir Alan could have seen this, before telling her to 'shut up.' Lucinda could have sold a lot more if she was just told what to do in a situation where she had no idea...

Lucinda is brilliant at over-seeing and leading a team - which surely is what Sir Alan wants(?)!
She is brilliant, and deserves to win - well, after being spoken to like she was in the episode, I don't know why she would want to work with such a rude man.. sheer ignorance on his part.
The-Apprentice
29-05-2008
Originally Posted by lumpbottom:
“She wasn't the only one. The others obviously needed to too.
Aston Martin - Manufacturer
Ferrari - Manufacturer
Spyker - Manufacturer

Zonda - model
Manufactured by Pagani.

If they were referring to the other by marque, they should have done the same for the Zonda.

Same as saying
Vauxhall - Peugeot - Audi and 1.9TD”

LOL


The Spyker C8 is best referred as the Spyker rather than the C8 for obvious reasons.

The Aston Martin is an Aston Martin and is best known as such.

The Ferrari isn't the Enzo or a high end model so the name Ferrari clearly suffices.

Pagani's only model is the Zonda, and it is better known as the Zonda rather than the Pagani.
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