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The "Raymondo Shah" Diaries
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da33431
05-08-2003
What did everyone think of the Ray-only show tonight?? Particularly his telling the children at Great Ormond St hospital that Jon was boring and the taster of tomorrow's show with Ray putting the 'Loser Sign' over Jon's head???
StuBruise
05-08-2003
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“Originally posted by da33431
What did everyone think of the Ray-only show tonight?? Particularly his telling the children at Great Ormond St hospital that Jon was boring and the taster of tomorrow's show with Ray putting the 'Loser Sign' over Jon's head??? ”

It's more interesting than "Cam and Gos Go Sock-Shopping", anyway. I get the feeling they're trying their best to portray the Dangerous Brothers as boring, especially when comparing their seemingly-non-stop shopathon against Ray's life as a jet-setting stud.

Ray does seem a little bitter about Jon's success though, he loves to stick the boot in at any opportunity

~~stu
emmeline
05-08-2003
Haven't seen it so far but it seems Raymondo is just a teenie bit jealous of Jon.
darling
05-08-2003
I haven't watched it either. I'm still too bitter that they didn't do something similar for the BB3 crowd. I'd have been pleased to watch them, but I've seen more than enough of this shower.
KriZ
05-08-2003
Meanwhile the other finalists Scott and Steph are........ errr umm

pass!

Oh well ! back to shopping and baldie bitter man..................

What's endemol's next totally hyped but never delivering programme going to be?

Endemol: "err when we hyped the programme we thought all 4 contestants were going to jump at the chance! - However we were as usually totally WRONG again and we can't admit to that now can we? - so we'll just pretend that the other two haven't told us to shove it and we'll just fill the gap with CRA*!!!"
Eurostar
05-08-2003
[quote]Originally posted by StuBruise
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Ray does seem a little bitter about Jon's success though, he loves to stick the boot in at any opportunity


What success? Jon was evicted in week 5 whereas Ray finished second.I don't think you could put his comments down to jealousy.....he seems to have no problems with any of the other HM's.
David McH
05-08-2003
I like Ray & Jon but it is quite apparent that Ray is rather bitter and jealous of the attention that Jon has received since leaving the house. IMHO Ray was one of the few who went into Big Brother this year hoping to come out as a 'star' and lap up the celebrity lifestyle and we will probably see him 'ligging' for months to come although he will have to go some to beat media whore Justine! He reminds me very much so of Jonny last year.

However, I would rather watch Ray than 'The Dangerous Brothers' :yawn: :sleep: but I would have preferred to see some more of the others particulary Scott & Steph (even though I can't stand Steph) as they were 2 of the finalists and the show did state it was following ALL of the finalists for 3 weeks. Although I expect OK have probably banned C4 from filming at the Scott/Nush photo shoots.
Rocky
05-08-2003
I think that there was no Cam & Gos tonight because last night's programme on C4 covered their stay in Chicago.

By the way, Ray is right; Jon is boring !!
ben4321
05-08-2003
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“Originally posted by Rocky
By the way, Ray is right; Jon is boring !! ”

Ray was of course endlessly erudite, witty and entertaining throughout the entire nine weeks - not. It wasn't until his outburst of "f*****g w*****s" over the failure of the cub scout task during the second week that I realised he was there at all.

If anything, with his claims that BB4 was "the best ever" only to find now that the series is regarded as flop and with being so easily manipulated by Steph with Jon effortlessly planting seeds of doubt in his mind, Ray proved himself to be somewhat obtuse.
Rocky
05-08-2003
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“Originally posted by ben4321
Ray was of course endlessly erudite, witty and entertaining throughout the entire nine weeks - not. It wasn't until his outburst of "f*****g w*****s" over the failure of the cub scout task during the second week that I realised he was there at all.

If anything, with his claims that BB4 was "the best ever" only to find now that the series is regarded as flop and with being so easily manipulated by Steph with Jon effortlessly planting seeds of doubt in his mind, Ray proved himself to be somewhat obtuse.
”

One thing's for sure, Ray appeared in far more highlights of the series than Jon did; he was himself, and Jon's eternal attempts to be 'controversial' were pitiful. That's why Ray is getting so much attention out of the house, and Jon is yesterday's news.
Vicky7
05-08-2003
I found tonights installment of BB diaries the best one yet. Ray is an absolute diamond visiting those kids. Haven't heard of any of the others doin anything similar.

I would rather watch 15minutes of Ray than of the 'Dangerous Brothers', now they are boring!

Ray was only making his opinion about Jon, I don't agree with him and I know many that don't but at least he was honest. I think he seems to be the only one apart from Jon and Fed who have proved to be as genuine as they were in the house!
Avolon
05-08-2003
Have a look at Ray and Jon the plank Standing next to each other, then ask yourself what would Raymondo have to be jealous of.
ben4321
05-08-2003
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“Originally posted by Rocky
One thing's for sure, Ray appeared in far more highlights of the series than Jon did; he was himself, and Jon's eternal attempts to be 'controversial' were pitiful. That's why Ray is getting so much attention out of the house, and Jon is yesterday's news. ”

Is that why Ray continues to be wound up by Jon's success outside the house then? Jon's popularity was unexpected, Ray went in expecting to come out a "celeb", and basically he'll be in the public eye before being dumped in favour of the next Z-list "personality". Jon meanwhile has embraced his popularity, exploited it and according to press statements, will be happy to return to work and Real Life once more. Jon *seems* fairly grounded, whereas Ray is laughably self-deluded.
ben4321
05-08-2003
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“Originally posted by Avolon
Have a look at Ray and Jon the plank Standing next to each other, then ask yourself what would Raymondo have to be jealous of. ”

That Jon has a brain and Ray doesn't.
anna123
05-08-2003
i think its pathetic that wheneva a housemate says they dont like jon everyone says they must be jealous!!! They didnt like jon while they were in the house so y should they suddenly like him now that they r out and know he is popular with the public, i personally would be more annoyed if they started actin all nicey nicey round him now purely coz of his media attention.
So i guess if it is jealousy that means jon must be jealous of cameron then since cam did win the 70k???
I think the fact that all the housemates bar fed have said that jon is way too big for his own boots speaks volumes! and from watchin him on rise etc.. i have to agree with them.
And as for ray i personally think he has a much better chance of gettin a job on tv than jon , i mean for a start hes a good looking irish guy, hes down to earth and hes doing a good job on bb diaries. AND i doubt he's jealous of jon i mean y would he be!
ben4321
05-08-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by anna123
i think its pathetic that wheneva a housemate says they dont like jon everyone says they must be jealous!!! They didnt like jon while they were in the house so y should they suddenly like him now that they r out and know he is popular with the public, i personally would be more annoyed if they started actin all nicey nicey round him now purely coz of his media attention. ”

I merely find it amusing that Jon still has the ability to wind them up even after BB4 has finished.

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“ So i guess if it is jealousy that means jon must be jealous of cameron then since cam did win the 70k??? ”

Jon has stated his resons for disliking Cameron on several occasions. Jealousy wasn't one of them.

Quote:
“ I think the fact that all the housemates bar fed have said that jon is way too big for his own boots speaks volumes! and from watchin him on rise etc.. i have to agree with them. ”

Or they're basically peeved that Jon has stolen their thunder.

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“ And as for ray i personally think he has a much better chance of gettin a job on tv than jon , i mean for a start hes a good looking irish guy, hes down to earth and hes doing a good job on bb diaries. ”

Well, if someone as inept as Kate can present RI:SE, there's no reason why someone as thick as Ray won't be seen on some obscure cable channel in the near future.
Susann
05-08-2003
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“Originally posted by anna123

And as for ray i personally think he has a much better chance of gettin a job on tv than jon , i mean for a start hes a good looking irish guy, hes down to earth and hes doing a good job on bb diaries. AND i doubt he's jealous of jon i mean y would he be!
”

Remember runner up of bb3, Jonny , No! well not many people do as he seems to have all but vanished off the face off the earth, apart from a few appearances on RI:SE recently, only due to his partner in crime Kate.

Well it will soon be remember that Jonny clone, Ray Shah, bb4 runner up, No! err who?
Jammer
05-08-2003
The main gripe the other hm's have with Jon was his presence and attitude when they appeared on RI:SE the week after BB ended. He had experience of the RI:SE set up and it did feel that he considered himself the host of the 'party' and the other hm's were his guests. They hardly got a word in and I suspect they thought he was a bit overbearing.

Btw, E4 did show the BB Diaries last year. The memorable thing was that about five of them bothered to turn up for the wrap party and they were worried that Kate and Jade would fight at the book signing which again several hm's failed to show.
Edna
06-08-2003
Hadn't we established that Ray's a thick ****?

Don't subscribe to this 'Ray is fit' nonsense either. Bald head, pop eyes, goose neck.....

Jon may be a Vulcan, but Ray looks like one of those creatures who abduct unwary Texans
KriZ
06-08-2003
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“Originally posted by Edna
Hadn't we established that Ray's a thick ****?

Don't subscribe to this 'Ray is fit' nonsense either. Bald head, pop eyes, goose neck.....

Jon may be a Vulcan, but Ray looks like one of those creatures who abduct unwary Texans
”

NO! DON'T HOLD BACK!!! TELL US WHAT YOU REALLY FEEL !!!
Eurostar
06-08-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by anna123
i think its pathetic that wheneva a housemate says they dont like jon everyone says they must be jealous!!! They didnt like jon while they were in the house so y should they suddenly like him now that they r out and know he is popular with the public, i personally would be more annoyed if they started actin all nicey nicey round him now purely coz of his media attention.
So i guess if it is jealousy that means jon must be jealous of cameron then since cam did win the 70k???
I think the fact that all the housemates bar fed have said that jon is way too big for his own boots speaks volumes! and from watchin him on rise etc.. i have to agree with them.
And as for ray i personally think he has a much better chance of gettin a job on tv than jon , i mean for a start hes a good looking irish guy, hes down to earth and hes doing a good job on bb diaries. AND i doubt he's jealous of jon i mean y would he be!
”


Jon's fans seem incapable of realising their assessment of 'the legend' might be an innacurate one.When four HM's say they can't stand the guy,it's proof to them what 'thick,sad b**tards' they must be and how 'jealous' they are of him.This,in spite of the fact that the HM's spent six or seven weeks in his company and that his fans have never met him.

It never seems to cross their minds for even a second that Jon may not be all he's cracked up to be.
KriZ
06-08-2003
The same phase could quite early be applied to Cameron!

"Cameron's fans seem incapable of realising their assessment of 'the legend' might be an innacurate one."
Edna
06-08-2003
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“Originally posted by KriZ
NO! DON'T HOLD BACK!!! TELL US WHAT YOU REALLY FEEL !!! ”

You can see why I'm such a Jon fan, can't you?

Of course I meant it all 'in a nice way'.....
Eurostar
06-08-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by KriZ
The same phase could quite early be applied to Cameron!

"Cameron's fans seem incapable of realising their assessment of 'the legend' might be an innacurate one."
”

Exactly! I couldn't disagree with that for a moment.

But ask yourself......between Cameron and Jon,which one of the two is more popular with the HM's?

Isn't it very noticeable that Jon's 'legendary' status doesn't appear to have impressed itself on any of the HM's (bar Federico)? Have we heard anyone say 'Jon is the main man' or 'he should have won'? Not for a moment...instead I *have* heard them say what a shame it was Anouska was evicted,and several have said Cameron deserved to win.For the Jon fans to dismiss all of that and say 'we know best' is bordering on arrogance.
thms
06-08-2003
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“Originally posted by Eurostar


........four HM's say they can't stand the guy.....

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just four?

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