Nope. I thought it made much more sense than yours and many other posts in this thread.
But I will say that the post you have just written is trying to start a catfight with me

Nope, I assure you, I really can't be bothered.

Fabulous!

I have seen the add and I dont have a 'stunning lack of observance'

yes his moves were a bit different but the Idea came from the add and as I said before, I wonder whats the next rip off

I have seen this 'dance' in various forms over the last few months (without the benifit of the 'shower') and IMO have seen just as good if not better

but then those boys and girls were in dance competitions where you dont get the advantage of sob stories and 'rain' so you have to be just that little bit better to win rather than getting the extra 'help' of a gimmick

There's nothing wrong with getting ideas from elsewhere. His routine was inspired by that advert but he did it differently, and if he was trying to stick in people's minds, then it worked!! He will try his hardest in the final, and he will never rip off any ideas. He copied a few things, but he is allowed to be inspired by a VW advert.

"flapping his arms about"

Is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard, and must have come from somebody who doesn't appreciate or perhaps doesn't have much variety in dance styles knowledge. That was not what he was doing at all. His dance is a mixture of break-dance, street, modern and more - making it alternative and original.
As well as that, when he was "flapping his arms around" you could see his passion coming out of him. He wants it, and he deserves it. Next week he won't have water -- because as far as I can see, that appears to be the problem people have here -- and you'll be able to see yourselves what a talented young man we have here.

A bit different? you're somehow comparing a couple of very simple and slow moves to an entire complex routine which was much faster and incorporated so much more that the comparison is laughable (I didn't mean to be so harsh, but the statement 'the moves were a bit different' couldn't be much more of an understatement if it tried)! That's why I asked if you'd seen it ... you're comparing a satsuma to a jaffa cake (I'm sure I could have come up with a better analogy, but I really fancy a jaffa cake ...)


Also it's a bit of a cheap shot: people don't complain that the singers are ripping off other people's songs, that actors work from scripts, that sinature use michael jackson. Dancers similarly could perform a recognised piece (which of course this ISN'T, it's just using the style and not much of the choreography).

So why are people making a big deal of an advert? The ad itself is adding to the original singing in the rain, and whereas George's wasn't such a departure in style, it was in content AND there's the fact that he's under no obligation to be a choreographer - he's a dancer.

spot on!

Have not even seen the ad, but would not care if I had, this kid is special, he has charisma and charm and is very humble. I loved the act, both times and cannot wait to see him again tomorrow, he is one of my favs, and so are Signature who has rightly been said used Michael Jacksons own idea in the semi, yes they altered it a bit but the idea was the same, no one moaned about them.

I hope a NON singing act wins and I think alot of other people do. That does not mean I have not liked some of them, as I most certainly have. Oddly the first four acts thru are all the ones I had chosen when the auditions were on, as they stood out as being different. Having said that, I would prefer Faryl and Andrew not win, one I think they are far too young and will be manipulated after if they do win, and two we had a singer of their style last year, if a lot older, it was still a similar style.

I notice we have had very few POP style acts on, and I wonder why that is, if they allow in anyone why not find another beatles!!

I don't see that it's a rip off. I've watched the ad carefully to compare it and it took three dancers to compile that ad plus a lot of digital manouvering. George added his own style into the mix, just as they added the bangla dancing into the Michael Jackson routine. I don't notice anyone complaining about the Thriller ripoff

Also, if you read back a few pages you'll see someone complaining about George when he was in one of those dance competitions(which he won incidentally). The inference that he is untalented and unoriginal is very unfair just because you don't like him.

Signature have been subjected to a lot of criticism and their dancing ability and choreography called into question - similar to this thread really, actually worse. It is unfortunately the lot of the reality show contestant and the young contestants are not immune.

If people watching like George's act they will vote, then if he gets more votes than anyone else he will win, same applies to any finalist. Then the detractors can moan all they like, but it will be OVER! ps vote GEORGE 2 WIN!

But he is unoriginal.
That's not unfair.
I think he's good, and certainly has a lot of potential, but what he does at the moment is pretty standard. Not original at all.

The thing about the advert is not so much about the fact that the whole setup is a ripoff, which it obviously is, I don't know how anybody can possibly even dare to claim that it isn't, but it's the fact that it's passing itself off as though it's something fresh and original.
I believe that was the original reason why it was brought up in the first place. People were saying that they hadn't seen anything like George's routine in their life. Hence the reference to the VW Gold advert. Standing on the shoulders of giants and all that. But it's funny how threads on forums can become like Chinese whispers and the original point which had been made can get lost so easily over a few pages.

The advert theme was just a lazy way to borrow of something which had already proven successful to give George an artificial boost. At no point did Simon or any of the other judges care to mention that the routine was a good interpretation of the advert. It was as though they hoped most people wouldn't even know and wanted to pass the routine off as fresh and original.

You could pick apart the dance moves to prove that it isn't 100% identical, but I think you know deep down that it's based on the advert. Even had the bits 'with a smile on my face' and the balancing sideways on the lamp-post directly ripped from the ad.
The ad had been rinsed for all it was worth.

Anyway, you can put all that to one side, in my opinion what I didn't like was the fact that George got all the star treatment and had a massive injection of special treatment by means of a high value stage production for his routine. That was my main problem with the routine.
Not all acts are treated equally.
How about providing all the other acts with the big star production treatment?

Anyway, it's a new show, I look forward to seeing what George does on Saturday. Even though I'm 'terrible' and 'not nice'

It's a cheap shot. He's a dancer, he never sold himself as a choreographer, despite the fact that he does do that.

None of the other acts can claim to be completely original, and you have acts like irresistible who are doing a perfect recreation of Christina Aguilera's video - but it doesn't matter, their talent is singing.

That's why all of this stuff is so entirely disingenuous. Despite that dancers do set pieces all of the time in ballet and in emulating great performers, George is being singled out as somehow being deserving criticism for something that isn't in the slightest bit wrong in the first place.

That's complete nonsense - odd in the extreme.

How is it passing itself off as being original exactly? It's a routine, he dances to it. The set up is borrowed, but George has choreographed it for what he does. Where anywhere in the execution of this is it passing itself off as anything?

People not knowing where the inspiration is from is not passing itself off, that was a completely ridiculous statement - it relies on you completely inventing an agenda that is not evidenced in anyway at all.

Also it should be noted how freely you use the word 'rip off' which carries obviously negative connotation, as if something wrong has been done. People use other people's ideas all of the time, especially in competitions like this one, and yet this is being called a 'rip off' whilst completely ignoring how it was just the SET UP that was used.

There is no obligation to do this, and for other acts - they certainly don't need to. That's never happened in these shows, so why are you making it an issue? Plus, again, it was only the set up.

This is just totally, totally bizarre.

Of course it's based on the advert, anyone can see it's based on the advert, but you're not saying that: you're inferring that it's choreographed from the advert which is just so completely out of touch that it astounds.

Pick apart the moves? I mean I know some people aren't familiar with the style, but if they really can't tell the difference between the most basic of moves at a very slow speed, and a FULL ACT of choreographed movement that has many many moves in it and crosses several styles and is done to an entirely different speed, then there really is no chance of talking seriously about the quality of a dance. I mean it's the sort of obvious stuff that should be clear from a mile off.

There's no need to pick apart anything, in the same way you don't need to be told the difference between someone singing scales and someone properly singing a song.

The point is he's being knocked for ripping off the ad when in fact he's used the idea and transferred it to the stage. His dancing is not that similar to the dancing in the ad and I personally don't think it's a crime to base a dance routine on an advert.

I think people forget that this is a 14 year old boy, not a professional dancer even though he probably will be one day. I find it churlish that people are picking his act to bits, questioning his character, his originality and his talent quite honestly.

I wonder what his stageschool fake emotion will be like tonight

stage school? fake emotion?



He dances on the street to earn money for dance lessons, I doubt he'd be able to afford stage school, and he was the only act who DIDN'T fake emotion.

I think you'll find many diasgree with you.

He knew exactly what he was doing in his interview after his "dance".

Same Difference had a sob story about Sarah being bullied, they didn't win.
Niki had a sob story about her dad and not wanting to go back to being a dinner lady, she didn't win.
Alisha had a sob story about being in the bottom two for two weeks, she didn't win.
Hope had a sob story about one of the girl's missing their kid, they didn't win.

Here Here Latios 'cyber slap' LMAO Alisha didn't overplay on her 'sob' story LOL it was mentioned once.....

Niki's was mentioned every bloody saturday lol and Bev's mum and SD were mentioned all the time aswell...What sob story was Leons? About him wanting a better life for him and his mum? I wouldn't say that was a sob story it's normal...

Why the inverted commas? Are you suggesting that you can't call what George does dancing either?

I feel sorry for cynical people like you who are always looking for the worst in people - if that's what you look for you will be sure to find it.

I think George is a brilliant dancer he is only 14...Give him a break.

I know it was only mentioned once. My point was, was that it's a tradition to have sob story's these days. Almost every act has one. I hate how everyone makes excuses and then blames the loss of their favourites on the winner's sob story. X Factor was a singing contest and BGT is a talent show.

No more X Factor talk now.

Look, whichever way we throw it, one basic fact renmains: George is UNORIGINAL- copies others (and we gave Signature stick for MJ/.? at least they had their own input with the Bhangra mix), he was HELPED greatly with a 'movie' -type stage production and was hyped by judges/producers, as were Faryl and Scala.
For those reasons onl;y - forgetting that we know he is a winner of other dance shows and has been to stage school and his sob story is likely to be mostly false-- I think he shouldn't win.

Hun was joking :P trying to ADD humour to the thread lol...

You have a point though most people on these reality programmes have some kind of sob story...