It's unhealthy to be 'big'. Also like it or not it doesn't look right on stage. I can see where he's coming from.
Cameron War Against Average Size Women.
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Originally Posted by jackbauer<3:
“JB has said publically that he loves big women (it was on Loose Women last year - how sad am I???)”
“JB has said publically that he loves big women (it was on Loose Women last year - how sad am I???)”
That annoys me as well. Its patronizing. For a gay man to say that he loves big women is like a woman saying that she loves da gays. It is just offensive. But anyway Jodie isn't even big and she seems fit and healthy.
Big, what does this mean? Physically big, huge personality it does'nt really matter. I'm a big woman (not brick toilet big) but given a ew more inches in height (I'm vertically challenged) I'd have a better BMI and probally get into a smaller dress size. Dispite my disavantages I am it. I talent is there it will out on the stage in MT.
Sorry about some odd spelling but the letter between d & g has died on my keyboard.
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Sorry about some odd spelling but the letter between d & g has died on my keyboard.
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Originally Posted by Rosefire:
“Any WE/Broadway role requires performers to take very good care of themselves. Aside from eating properly they need to get enough sleep and exercize to do 8-10 shows a week.
Connie Fisher was already a slender thing when she started SOM but went down two sizes and had to cut back to 6 shows a week. Lee Mead and Craig Chalmers aren't skinny guys but they work out and eat well to keep up with their "Joseph" shows. (Craig has been known to taking on 12 shows a week at times!) So pro or not, stamina is crucial to anyone in this career.
I think if Jodie wins then she will have several months to hone her singing/acting skills and get into good shape for the role. I would be more concerned if a younger candidate wins because it's a lot to push onto girls who are still in their teens. But I don't think CM should have made those comments. The other Nancys haven't had to endure a grinding trial of losing 11 stone. Jodie has accomplished a lot so far and whether or not she's Nancy, I'm impressed with her endurance.”
“Any WE/Broadway role requires performers to take very good care of themselves. Aside from eating properly they need to get enough sleep and exercize to do 8-10 shows a week.
Connie Fisher was already a slender thing when she started SOM but went down two sizes and had to cut back to 6 shows a week. Lee Mead and Craig Chalmers aren't skinny guys but they work out and eat well to keep up with their "Joseph" shows. (Craig has been known to taking on 12 shows a week at times!) So pro or not, stamina is crucial to anyone in this career.
I think if Jodie wins then she will have several months to hone her singing/acting skills and get into good shape for the role. I would be more concerned if a younger candidate wins because it's a lot to push onto girls who are still in their teens. But I don't think CM should have made those comments. The other Nancys haven't had to endure a grinding trial of losing 11 stone. Jodie has accomplished a lot so far and whether or not she's Nancy, I'm impressed with her endurance.”
There a number of aspects to this.Cameron presumably has a vision of how this version of Oliver should be and he se's the roll as neding a slim young girl. That not to say in the past older and less slim girls have played the part. AS you have pointed out it is also very physically demanding and Jodie would appear to be not fit enough at present for a demanding production even Connie with all her periance struggled with the schedule of her show.
So I think I can see where Cameron is coming from. He primarilly wants to see a different Nancy. Jodie tends to fit the typical Nancy rather then the different Nancy that is being looked for. There are also the physical aspects of it as to whether Jodie is fit enough. Being on a stge in full costume and make up and hot lighting is physically very draining. Its a live show as well. It has to right for every performance.
It depends if he is true to the novel:
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“They wore a good deal of hair, not very neatly turned up behind, and were rather untidy about the shoes and stockings. They were not exactly pretty, perhaps; but they had a great deal of colour in their faces, and looked quite stout and healthy. Being remarkably free and easy with their manners, Oliver thought them to be very nice girls indeed. Which there is no doubt they were. [Oliver Twist, p.62]
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“They wore a good deal of hair, not very neatly turned up behind, and were rather untidy about the shoes and stockings. They were not exactly pretty, perhaps; but they had a great deal of colour in their faces, and looked quite stout and healthy. Being remarkably free and easy with their manners, Oliver thought them to be very nice girls indeed. Which there is no doubt they were. [Oliver Twist, p.62]
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I have never thought being true to the novel was that important for the musical. Especially for physical details of characters.
As for the comments about Jodie being too big - it is a very hurtful thing to say, and does probably send out a negative message to young girls who already want to be stick thin, even if they have too large a frame to allow that.
I am not that keen on the three finalists for this show, to be honest. And Jodie may be average weight, but she looks clumsy when dancing beside the other two girls, and the costumes tend to make her look larger than her own clothes do. Thing is - the camera is adding weight to the other pair, and they look half the size of Jodie...
I still think the role of Nancy isn't all that, anyway, and getting this far will be good for the girls in other ways. They have all learned a lot, and will be in a better position to audition for future roles.
As for the comments about Jodie being too big - it is a very hurtful thing to say, and does probably send out a negative message to young girls who already want to be stick thin, even if they have too large a frame to allow that.
I am not that keen on the three finalists for this show, to be honest. And Jodie may be average weight, but she looks clumsy when dancing beside the other two girls, and the costumes tend to make her look larger than her own clothes do. Thing is - the camera is adding weight to the other pair, and they look half the size of Jodie...
I still think the role of Nancy isn't all that, anyway, and getting this far will be good for the girls in other ways. They have all learned a lot, and will be in a better position to audition for future roles.
[quote=BBKrayzee;24087632]from wikipedia..
Is Jodie too OLD?
She is described thus when she first appears "a couple of young ladies called to see the young gentlemen; one of whom was named Bet, and the other Nancy. They wore a good deal of hair, not very neatly turned up behind, and were rather untidy about the shoes and stockings. They were not exactly pretty, perhaps; but they had a great deal of color in their faces, and looked quite stout and hearty."
Nancy is supposed to be "quite stout and in her late twenties"
I think the use of the word 'stout' by Dickens had a slightly different meaning to the use we have today. To say one felt "perfectly stout" meant perfectly well in that era - ie healthy.
Dickens was most likely meaning to indicate that Nancy and Bet looked entirely healthy.
However, I don't think there's any reason why Nancy couldn't be just a little bit chubby.
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Is Jodie too OLD?
She is described thus when she first appears "a couple of young ladies called to see the young gentlemen; one of whom was named Bet, and the other Nancy. They wore a good deal of hair, not very neatly turned up behind, and were rather untidy about the shoes and stockings. They were not exactly pretty, perhaps; but they had a great deal of color in their faces, and looked quite stout and hearty."
Nancy is supposed to be "quite stout and in her late twenties"
I think the use of the word 'stout' by Dickens had a slightly different meaning to the use we have today. To say one felt "perfectly stout" meant perfectly well in that era - ie healthy.
Dickens was most likely meaning to indicate that Nancy and Bet looked entirely healthy.
However, I don't think there's any reason why Nancy couldn't be just a little bit chubby.
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Actually all he's doing is creating more publicity if Jodie does win. It's often been said that Jodie is the front runner in this competition - she's already done a program where she's lost masses of weight. Who wants to bet come the end of the year Jodie has lost the rest of her weight just in time for opening night? The press would love it (as they so often do!).
Originally Posted by fraggle_bean:
“Actually all he's doing is creating more publicity if Jodie does win. It's often been said that Jodie is the front runner in this competition - she's already done a program where she's lost masses of weight. Who wants to bet come the end of the year Jodie has lost the rest of her weight just in time for opening night? The press would love it (as they so often do!).”
“Actually all he's doing is creating more publicity if Jodie does win. It's often been said that Jodie is the front runner in this competition - she's already done a program where she's lost masses of weight. Who wants to bet come the end of the year Jodie has lost the rest of her weight just in time for opening night? The press would love it (as they so often do!).”
If Jodie does win, I think it's more than likely that she will lose a fair amount of weight before the show starts. For one thing, whichever girl gets the part is likely to need fitness training to ensure that she can stand the rigours of rehearsing, and for another, the effort needed to rehearse for the show will probably contribute to weight loss anyway. So, whether she needs to or not (I'm not adding fuel to the fire of this discussion) she will almost certainly be thinner "by default" by the time the show starts, and if she's actually asked to lose weight, she'll be thinner still.
I think it's more depressing that we've got to a stage in society where we look at anyone over a size 10 as "needing to lose a few pounds". The poster earlier on who said she was a size 12 and found it a bit depressing being surrounded by skinny friends is a prime example. Also, the poster who said that "Thin women look better. That's why they model". Clothes hang better on thin women. That's why they model. Many models are less healthy than your average size 14, who at least eats a balanced diet. I'm not saying it isn't unhealthy to be overweight (of course it is) but I do think that as a society, the sort of size we now perceive as "overweight" is worrying. Lecture over.
Originally Posted by NeverInDoubt:
“It's unhealthy to be 'big'. Also like it or not it doesn't look right on stage. I can see where he's coming from.”
“It's unhealthy to be 'big'. Also like it or not it doesn't look right on stage. I can see where he's coming from.”
Its actually not always unhealthy to be jodies size - more often than not its unhealthy to be sams size. you can't say who eats healthier! for all you know sam hardly eats and jodie eats normally!
And, if I remember correctly, Marilyn Monroe was a size 16.
*Peeve takes comfort from this and goes to get another biscuit*
*Peeve takes comfort from this and goes to get another biscuit*
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Originally Posted by peeve:
“And, if I remember correctly, Marilyn Monroe was a size 16.*Peeve takes comfort from this and goes to get another biscuit*”
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“And, if I remember correctly, Marilyn Monroe was a size 16.*Peeve takes comfort from this and goes to get another biscuit*”
yes if you look at her when she sings to JFK she fully fills the dress.............
Originally Posted by Slow Alex:
“Thin women look better, that's why the model”
“Thin women look better, that's why the model”
Actually, that's not true. The models are supposed to show off the clothes. Big women don't tend to show them off. To put it simply - thin women are worn by the clothes, and that's the way a model should be. Big women wear the clothes. They don't work well as glorified hangers.
Also, why did this turn to Sam being unhealthy? She looks fine to me. If she was too thin you'd hear just as many comments about it as you do about Jodie being too big. Since you hear nothing, clearly general opinion is that she's fine.
Thin women may look better in clothes, but bigger women certainly look better without them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by jackbauer<3:
“Thin women may look better in clothes, but bigger women certainly look better without them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
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“Thin women may look better in clothes, but bigger women certainly look better without them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
see we might not agree on JB,
but we agree on this........
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Actually, that's not true. The models are supposed to show off the clothes. Big women don't tend to show them off. To put it simply - thin women are worn by the clothes, and that's the way a model should be. Big women wear the clothes. They don't work well as glorified hangers.
Also, why did this turn to Sam being unhealthy? She looks fine to me. If she was too thin you'd hear just as many comments about it as you do about Jodie being too big. Since you hear nothing, clearly general opinion is that she's fine.”
“Actually, that's not true. The models are supposed to show off the clothes. Big women don't tend to show them off. To put it simply - thin women are worn by the clothes, and that's the way a model should be. Big women wear the clothes. They don't work well as glorified hangers.
Also, why did this turn to Sam being unhealthy? She looks fine to me. If she was too thin you'd hear just as many comments about it as you do about Jodie being too big. Since you hear nothing, clearly general opinion is that she's fine.”
I agree with your first paragraph. However, your second paragraph may have more to do with current trend than actual fact. I'm not saying Sam's too thin either, but we have come to a stage where someone who is at the top end of their healthy weight range is now looked upon as being too "fat", but someone who is actually underweight is okay. General opinion at the moment seems to view bottom end of healthy weight range as ideal, middle as just about okay (although probably could do with losing a few pounds) and anything over that as "fat, fat, fat".
its all driven by the unreal airbush industry.........and people dont actually realise that these people dont actually look like this in real life......
Originally Posted by CASPER1066:
“its all driven by the unreal airbush industry.........and people dont actually realise that these people dont actually look like this in real life......”
“its all driven by the unreal airbush industry.........and people dont actually realise that these people dont actually look like this in real life......”
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Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
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wouldnt it be great.......turn up and get the bit ya dont like airbrushed.....in real life......
Originally Posted by peeve:
“And, if I remember correctly, Marilyn Monroe was a size 16.
*Peeve takes comfort from this and goes to get another biscuit*”
“And, if I remember correctly, Marilyn Monroe was a size 16.
*Peeve takes comfort from this and goes to get another biscuit*”
And she was stunning - marilyn a true icon.
Curves are sexy - no getting away from it. Social anthropologists have done lots of research into the why's and wherefore's but it all boils down to the same thing.
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