Ok, so I know its the star but it makes me wonder if they have read our comments on here?
Also, the sob stories continue http://dailynewspaper.co.uk/

click on star on left hand side, its at the bottom and the george story is in the mirror on the left.
Sorry if this has already been posted

How dare they! They really have just nicked comments/post of here and produced an article on a finding we noticed 4 days ago.

My favourite quote is: The bizarre coincidence has not gone unnoticed by viewers, who have flooded the Daily Star with texts and emails to complain.

The irony is that most daily star reads can't read let alone write a text/email.

It's just shoddy journalism at his best.


If you're interested here's a direct link: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...nt-is-rigged-/

Well it's a story certainly worthy of the Star.

There's no reason why the acts they think are the best shouldn't be saved until last. What a load of whining over nothing.

Suspicious fans

thanks for doing the link, not good at them . lol

In my own humble opinion, I believe shows like that are rigged as well, not in the way the Star says it, but music is a lucrative business and if an act has previous tv exposure, well, to quote Mika "Kerching!".

So, again, in my own opinion, I believe BGT will end like this.

The winner, will be the "12" year old opera singer. I've put 12 in inverted commas because, well, she's quite endowed for a 12 year old

Second will be the bullied school kid.

People love talented kids, the girl is talented, but doesn't have sympathy, so she needs the win, the other lad has sympathy, so as long as he is in the final, the public will by it.

As a precident, I am using the Will Young, Gareth Gates scenario on Pop Idol.

That is just my thoughts at this time, and it is not based on fact. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. What's your opinion?

[quote=eugenespeed;24092805]In my own humble opinion, I believe shows like that are rigged as well, not in the way the Star says it, but music is a lucrative business and if an act has previous tv exposure, well, to quote Mika "Kerching!".

So, again, in my own opinion, I believe BGT will end like this.

The winner, will be the "12" year old opera singer. I've put 12 in inverted commas because, well, she's quite endowed for a 12 year old

Second will be the bullied school kid.

People love talented kids, the girl is talented, but doesn't have sympathy, so she needs the win, the other lad has sympathy, so as long as he is in the final, the public will by it.

As a precident, I am using the Will Young, Gareth Gates scenario on Pop Idol.

That is just my thoughts at this time, and it is not based on fact. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. What's your opinion?[/QUO

She probably will win. I know she has a good voice, there's no disputing that but...
Would many people honestly buy a 12 year olds album?
I just don't think I would even if it was my type of music.
just my opinion of course

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Looking back through the charts, Charlotte Church, Hanson, Aled Jones, Ultimate Kaos, 3T have all sold pretty well.

The older generation love kids. So, I believe they would.

People keep harping on about the bloody running order; thing is... the people who won each semi would have won regardless of the running order.

Everyone has been able to call the winner each night; it was easy. Not because of their position in the running order but because of the act in question.


1. Signature
We knew they were going through.

2. Andrew
Again, we all knew he was going through

3. George
Again, we all knew it

4. Faryl
We knew it

Tonight; will be Scala or Madonna. Tonights the only one thats even a little tough to call. The only reason the 4 above acts were last is because those are the 4 acts most viewers have been waiting for each night; so it makes sense to put them last.

The only way in which BGT may be rigged is in that these 4 acts had more publicity than others. BUT that said others such as Flavor were really hyped up and didn't go through.

Hearing sense and not conspiracy theories is so nice

All of the acts were thought to be either the best/most popular, and it's obvious to save what you think is the best until last. There's no reason to think otherwise, but people will insist on reading stuff into things - especially if they like another act.

I agree with Fizix. I've been trying to make this point all week but to no avail. People are determined to find a conspiracy theory even where there isn't one. I doubt ITV will admit to saving the best for last, though because people would react to that.

This forum will melt when we find out who is going last on Saturday (and it will most likely be Faryl).

It's not "fixed". They producers are creating an entertainment show and as a result it makes sense to put on the most anticipated act last. The phone lines are operated fairly. The lines are opened at the end, and they scroll all the numbers across the screen after the final act has performed, even before they do the big recap. If you really like an act you vote for it regardless of whether they are on first or last. And you only have to see how acts like Strike, who were on second, do really well in the votes anyway.

I'm not convinced..I think they would probably have still made the judges vote and been voted through....but I'm not convinced they would have won the public vote if they had been on earlier.

Going last is a major advantage...going first a major disadvantage.

..and it's the 2nd and 3rd that can be damaged just as much by their positioning. I mean it's also pretty telling that none of the 1st acts on have made the top 3.

Where do you get this from then?
- I mean your conviction that the acts that won wouldn't.

Seriously, who on each night do you think would have gone through if the order was different?

Just look at the appreciation threads on here and other forums, look at the youtube hits and read the papers. The answer is in there.

There is actually a pattern of acts performing second or third and going through (Kate and Gin were second, Strike were second, Cheeky Monkeys were either second or third).

I don't actually see who could have possibly beaten George, Faryl or Andrew.

As for the first acts. What you will notice with them is that none of them are real contenders. They don't want to play a trump card too soon but they do want to open it with some colour and energy hence why we tend to see these dancing troupes going out first.

However, for the final, this might change a bit. They have a 10 minute head start on Doctor Who. I'd be amazed if the first two acts out aren't really strong. They will still be upbeat and energetic, but they should also be popular. I'd think Signature could be first on to get people watching and make them forget to switch at 7pm.

I didn't say they wouldn't win..I said I'm not convinced they would. It can't be proven either way so the conviction that they would go through is no more true than saying they wouldn't.

Years of watching the likes of Pop Idol/Xfactor shows how much of an advantage going last can be and how much of a disadvantage going first can be. The person you see last is always the freshest in your mind when it comes to voting...the person 1st can often be missed due to viewers tuning in later.

As I said the 2nd and 3rd positions can be affected just as much.

I'm not a fan but I think there's a very good chance that if James Stone went on last or close to last he may have made the final 3.

I also think that if Kate and Gin went last and Signature went 1st that there's a good chance that kate & Gin would have won. Can I prove it? No..but I don't think anyone can prove it either way.

I'm not saying the outcome would change entirely..but it can certainly be steered in the direction the production team wants.

The only way you can truly say there is no rigging is if the order of acts appearing on the show are randomly drawn..which won't happen of course.

how can saving the best til last be classed as fixing the votes? it's not infulencing people to vote for that act people aren't going to say oh they were last i'll vote for them. and everyones act is played to remind people in the voting time so it's hardly unfair, someone has to come first and someone has to come last, it just makes sense to put the one they think is the best last because they know people are waiting for that act if they put it first people would turn over after it was finished and tune back in for the results and ITV would lose viewers but it doesnt make people vote for the last act in the slighest.

Not really..all the acts on various singing shows are mixed up every week, often with a weaker act at the end..and it doesn't damage ratings as far as I'm aware.

You go on last and you're the freshest act in peoples minds and that increases votes, go on first and the opposite is true.

I can guarantee if you ask the acts on the likes of X Factor if they want to go on first or last then those with half a brain will say they'd prefer to go on last (if they want to stay of course).

The negative effect of going first only applies if you are mediocre enough to have been forgettable.

Sometimes I think I have a memory like a sieive, but even I couldn't forget which acts have been on in a hour long/hour and a half programme.

If your memory is that bad, you really do need to see a doctor.

Eww, harsh Let's not overlook the Star's strip cartoon, Beau Peep -- one of the best ever

Dave

Oh people don't forget...but often people join the show late so being first can often mean some viewers will miss some of the first act...and if you're a floating voter and like a couple of acts then the one who's fresher in your memory is the one you're likely to go for.

It's no different from advertising and product placement in a supermarket. There might be two equally good products on the shelf....but chances are you'll pick up the one that was most recently advertised/promoted and at the front of your mind.

None of it's conscious..it's just surprisingly easy to influence people.

This does apply to the X Factor particularly when it starts really early. Less of an issue with BGT with a primetime start which takes a massive lead-in from Coronation Street a few times this week and I'd expect ratings are more level across the show.

I'm not saying there is no impact, but it I think it may be a bit overplayed. I still remember Kate and Gin and they went out second in the first show. I couldn't tell you much about Boogie Babes and they went halfway through last night.

Well I think the biggest fix by far is who you all still call Scala, as they are no longer Scala and their website has just been altered, some stuff on you tube has been removed. They played at the X party bash and were known by Simon and the ITV and by all accounts were invited to audition! So I think it probable that these were meant to be the winners. I have to say they wowed me as I loved the music, however I do not like being duped.

They have played some top places, already have music out and a very professional video that if you search you will still find. They are now called Escala I wonder what excuse there will be for this, considering they have used that name for over 2 years!

I guess the water got thrown out the bath with the baby when on walked Faryl! and I wonder if they knew the amount of backing George would have, or Signature come to that.

Who will win is anyones guess, running order so far has proved every last act on has won the publics vote, now do I think that coincidence, no I do not. It has been done that way on purpose. Simon even commented on how many hits Signature had had on youtube, so they are looking at that type of thing. They have know all along which acts were the best.

However, what I do call a fix has been some who were put through, come on the sexy magic act whose idea was that, and others that have been on who were dire, and yet a little lad who danced like Billy Elliot was not put through, which sorry for me makes a mockery of the show.

I would also comment the Cheeky Monkeys going through was the wrong choice as I think Flava were far better, but maybe they did not want to risk putting such a great act through it may upset the apple cart on who they want coming first second and third.

And by the way, the Scala story was in the Sunday papers last week, and now the name has changed now why is that do you think? why a brand new website as well, as the old one was there but now gone! Maybe these are the winners, for me as much as I liked them maybe they should have been upfront about playing at the X bash and also knowing Simon and people behind the scenes at the ITV, never helps when it comes out later on.

As for forgetting, well I did last night, as I placed the 3 in order and forgot about the young comedian.

I think the acts each night have been placed in some sort of order they had to be we could not have all singers on in one night, but I also think there have been weaker nights where the outcome was completely obvious.

Tonights line up could be interesting now. Per Diem, 2 lads singing one with a guitar as well, who I understand are even nervous rehearsing and look to go on first poor lads. Amy Sparks, who will cause a laugh whatever time she is on, Escala (string quartet) look to be next but not sure that wont change. Diva Las Vegas dance singing troupe, Nemisis, the street dancers, no way as good as Flava imo, Craig Harman the impressionist who will have to have something good to get in, The Cirburlesque which I think I have spelt wrong, dance group, Madonna, sorry have forgotten her last name.

So if the running order places Madonna last will she be the viewers choice. we will have to wait and see. For me 4 of these have no chance at all. I think we will see Escala go through especially if it is left to the judges! And I think Madonna may be the other one, although I do hope not as this is turning into a singing competion right now.

Could have done with Jeremy on tonight as I think he may just have made it thru, but there again who knows.

I can see the disadvantage in going on first with regards to people joining a programme 5 or 10 minutes late, but surely they wouldn't forget the act unless the act was so mind-numbingly boring.

We're also reminded of the acts after they've all performed when they give the telephone numbers out, so there really are no excuses to forget.
Last edited by SILLY SUE : 30-05-2008 at 20:09