This might not warrant a thread but if you watch the 'final five' show that's profiling all of the candidates they show you the whole clip.

He says "If I'm project manager and you don't deliver, you're doing in the boardroom, simple as". The ****** producers edited it to make him look bad.

Lee to win!

That's exactly what he was shown as saying when it was originally aired....among other things...

No, the "If I was project manager" part isn't included. It looks as if he's directly criticizing the candidates.

oh right see what you mean.

But what he was saying was directed at Sara, so it clearly was directed at a candidate - Sara.

He was shown saying the "If I'm project manager" bit when it first aired in Week 6 so I'm afraid you're overreacting. He actually said it and they didn't edit it out.

I never thought Lee was bullying Sara, I realised we only saw a snapshot of the situation. We didn't get to see the lead up to it or indeed the aftermath. Lee can be loud when excited and I honestly dont think he realised the way he came over in that clip because basically he has seemed a nice guy all the way through the series

That's what I thought, Ansildrall....but then I doubted myself...I remember him saying it that way too...

And as i said, he quite clearly was directing his comments towards Sara regaurdless. Do I think Lee's a bully? No. Was he out of order? Very much so.

I agree Muttley and Katenutzs , I don't think he bullied her but the way he spoke to her was extremely rude and uneccessary and not something that should be put down to just "passion".

...and then didn't she have to have counselling afterwards?

I think that was due to 6 of them questioning her about it and the gang mentality they had. As I said though , Lee is definetely to blame partly and he had no right to question her.

I agree too.

It was unfair because he wasn't even on Sara's team. Lucinda, Helene and Raef were not on Sara's team either but they were decent and kept their noses out of it (except Raef who stuck his nose in later, but that was to defend Sara ). None of them were preaching/ranting about how they thought Sara should've been fired and how she didn't contribute, they weren't taking a holier-than-thou stance, they weren't trying to make her feel worse than she was already feeling having just come out of the boardroom. There's no excuse for Lee speaking to her like that and taking sides. It was kind of like jumping on a bandwagon really, because they were all firing questions at her and he joined in when he wasn't even in Sara's team.

He just took what the rest of Sara's team (ie: Jenny C and Alex - both known for lying, manipulating, weasling, shifting blame, etc.) said for granted and was probably a bit annoyed that Kevin got fired (maybe they were friends), so he took their side and took it for granted that Sara didn't contribute very much. He did this before even hearing her side of the story. He was rude and out of order imo.

He is a nice guy in general and all/most of the candidates have said this, but he was certainly out of order in this case.

*Pulls hands up*

All is revealed in this clip. Noticed this last night. Pay attention to 4 mins and 7 seconds in. You'll be pleasantly surprised. Seems like a bout of clever editing by the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/it...html?src=ip_mp

I thought he said "If you don't deliver, you're going in the boardroom, simple as" in the week 6 clip.

When i watched the profile show, the "If I'm project manager" bit sounded new.

In this context them leaving that bit out doesn't change the meaning of what he was trying to say. He said that people should go into the boardroom for not pulling their weight , I fail to see how adding "If I'm project manager" changes that significantly.

Despite any editing that went on it's undeniable that Lee had no right to question Sara and the aggressive tone was rude and unneccessary.

The context in which he said the word project manager from episode 6 was this - "If i'm project manager next time and i've got to manage people like Sara, i want to know what i am managing..." So edit or no edit, he was aggressive and wrong in what he said to Sara.

IIRC it was the words 'any of yer' that were edited from the original transmission...

If I am PM, and you don't pull your weight - any of yer - then you are going in the boardroom, simple as

I did think watching last night that it seemed less of a targetted attack at that stage than it did in the original transmission.

I like Lee, but he went down in my opinion when he appeared to be having a tirade just at Sara - last night it seemed different to me, because of the fact he clearly addressed his remark to the whole group.

yes i noticed that, in the original they missed out the 'any of you' bit, which actually makes it less about sara. it was still over aggressive and unecessary, but not as bad as first made out. though sara did say she felt attacked, which isnt a good thing.
i think the producers have been clever in their editing, but you expect it, as they want scenes to be as interesting and dramatic as possible, just as they edit candidates to force people to judge them a certain way.

I think lee was definitely out of order. There were a few other sentences: "If 4 people out of 5 thought you didn't contribute, how are you sitting on that sofa"

This incident didn't do Lee any favour. He is in heart a very decent man (I don't know him but that is how he comes across). He worked the hardest without a shadow of a doubt for his place in the final and he has made the fewest mistakes of all the finalists. I love Claire but I won't be upset if he wins. He has earned it. I hope that Sir Alan is not blinded by Lee's lack of tact and inability to spell because he compensates that with commonsense, determination, and hard work. Claire or Lee FTW.

Yeah I pretty much agree with you, I in no way think Lee is a bad person, just that a couple of times he has let his temper get the better of him. I wouldn't mind him winning, just like I wouldn't mind Claire winning. They have both worked hard and contributed week on week even if they have both said and done the odd thing I didn't like. TBH, the only one I wouldn't want to see win at this point is Alex.

I know Lee was awful to Sara that night but, for me what made it so uncomfortable was the pack mentality. I think if it had just been Lee shouting at her it could have been put down to a "clash" of personalities. However, seeing Alex arguing with Raef about his "right" to put Sara in her place, Michael saying it was a "travesty" that she returned and Jenny C implying that she was more of a team-player than Sara just made the whole scene very unpleasant and not something I would expect to see from some of the "brightest business brains" that the country has to offer.

Yes, the context is very important. As I have said, Lee is not a bully, but he was in the wrong here, as were several other people. Probably the most uncomfortable moment in the history of the show, and since Lee himself apparently apologised to Sara later, he himself knows he was in the wrong.

If people not on Sara's team are not allowed to have or express an opinion, then I can't work out where all the posts about her on this forum come from.

To be fair, we, as viewers, get to see a lot more of how Sara worked on those tasks than the candidates not on her team did....

I think Lee was tucked up by the editing on this one. Also, Alex must have had his big wooden spoon in it because by the time Raef stepped in, he was actually defending Sara from *Alex* not Lee. They made it look like it was all down to Lee but it wasn't. Even with the editing it was obvious that Michael was instigating and Alex was stirring.