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Old 05-06-2008, 00:01
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You seem to overlook the fact the information he relayed was, in fact, not entirely true.....so he can be relied upon to put his own phony spin on anything he overhears before feeding it back to you as well...
Most people put their interpretation on something when they relay it. What Alex did in effect was oblige Lucinda to give an account of herself. It's not as though SAS accepted what Alex said without giving Lucinda the opportunity to speak for herself. I suspect that SAS thought that the fact that Lucinda had entertained doubts, even if she said she no longer had them, was important in making an assessment of her.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:05
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Most people put their interpretation on something when they relay it. What Alex did in effect was oblige Lucinda to give an account of herself.
Why should she be obliged to do so though? There was no need for it. He didn't feel the need to challenge her statement at the time, did he? Nope, in fact he had not problem with it till he got in the boardroom and thought he might get fired, then he decides to ambush her with his twist on what she said. The guy has, week in week out, shown himself to be a manipulative, untrustworthy piece of work. All his actions this week did is confirm what most viewers already knew.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:11
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Yeah but imagine Alex being your manager. Could you trust him? I couldnt trust him at all.
Alex's feelings about things are written all over his face. Just because he doesn't always verbalise doesn't mean that he's not communicating his feelings - so I'd guage whether I could trust him or not in personal interaction as I would with anyone.

Secondly, I'd be very unlikely to confide in my manager or any work colleagues at all on the subject of my doubts about my job. I think Alex will just communicate information he considers to be relevant.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:17
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Why should she be obliged to do so though? There was no need for it. He didn't feel the need to challenge her statement at the time, did he? Nope, in fact he had not problem with it till he got in the boardroom and thought he might get fired, then he decides to ambush her with his twist on what she said. The guy has, week in week out, shown himself to be a manipulative, untrustworthy piece of work. All his actions this week did is confirm what most viewers already knew.
He didn't challenge her at the time because he was preoccupied with handling the interviews I would guess. The interviews are going to be everyone's primary focus whilst they're actually in progress. His performance is his first priority at that time, not challenging another candidate between interviews.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:20
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He didn't challenge her at the time because he was preoccupied with handling the interviews I would guess.
If Alex had shown himself to be a half way decent guy prior to this it might be possible to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his got a history of doing this kind of thing, as was pointed out by the panelists on YF.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:27
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Why is Alex getting the blame, yes he raised it up - but all others agreed. He had a point she even herself said she wasn't right for the job.. what's the problem?!
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:29
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Why is Alex getting the blame, yes he raised it up - but all others agreed. He had a point she even herself said she wasn't right for the job.. what's the problem?!
Alex was the one that raised it though, I think the others were very quick to go along with it, but it was still Alex that raised it in the first place. And what he said Lucinda had told them was in fact not what she had said at all...and he damn well knew it.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:30
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Most people put their interpretation on something when they relay it. What Alex did in effect was oblige Lucinda to give an account of herself. It's not as though SAS accepted what Alex said without giving Lucinda the opportunity to speak for herself. I suspect that SAS thought that the fact that Lucinda had entertained doubts, even if she said she no longer had them, was important in making an assessment of her.
LOL

Yes, insult somebody by saying that they shouldn't be there and he is obliging her to give an account.

It was Lucinda's turn to speak and Alex turned against her because that's all commission based sales teams do. Bring down the competition in this manner.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:32
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I wasn't bringing it up as a matter of betrayal but questioning your belief that he was someone to rely on and was being honest. It's a contradiction to the way he distorted it.
Well as I've said elsewhere, most people colour their account of a situation with their own view or feeling and he raised it in Lucinda's presence, so it was open to her to correct his account, which she did. However SAS still considered it relevant that Lucinda had had doubts I believe, even if she did go on to rededicate herself to getting the job.

I think Alex can be relied on to communicate relevant information - the relevant point being that Lucinda had had doubts, which brought into question her dedication. The fact that she later said she no longer had doubts is not the relevant point in my view - and I suspect SAS saw it that way as well. It brought into question her consistency.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:34
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Sugar likes Alex for some reason and by putting Alex with Helene, he's ensured that if that twosome win the final task he'll be able to pick Alex as the winner (theres no way he'd ever pick Helene)
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:53
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I think he fought a great fight, well done Alex
I don't think being underhand and ratting on your fellow competitors is putting up a good fight.
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Old 05-06-2008, 00:57
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If Alex had shown himself to be a half way decent guy prior to this it might be possible to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his got a history of doing this kind of thing, as was pointed out by the panelists on YF.
The panelists on YF always seem to be selected to be favourable to the fired candidate (except in the case of Katie Hopkins and Jenny Celerier) so it wasn't really a surprise to me that they sympathised with Lucinda and criticised Alex.

In deference to you, I'll watch Alex more closely, although of course I've only got one week left. I think a lot of people misinterpret Alex. I believe he's an introvert and isn't as overt or directly expressive as some of the other candidates. A lot goes on internally with him that more extrovert candidates would express directly. His performance in the interviews wasn't exactly sophisticated, or even as confident as the other candidates. He had to be persuaded to articulate his strengths for instance. It was obvious the interviews impacted on him emotionally. I don't see the sophistication necessary for half the things people accuse him of on here.

I think the thing in the boardroom was an emotional outburst. He clearly felt angry about what he perceived as Lucinda's level of dedication compared to his own when it came to a situation where SAS was choosing between the candidates. I don't say he didn't plan to bring it up. I suspect he may well have done. However I also think he thought he was conveying relevant information to SAS at the time he was making his choice.
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:06
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LOL

Yes, insult somebody by saying that they shouldn't be there and he is obliging her to give an account.

It was Lucinda's turn to speak and Alex turned against her because that's all commission based sales teams do. Bring down the competition in this manner.
Well SAS didn't have to agree with Alex's opinion - he could even have turned against him and viewed it as unprincipled for Alex to raise that, but he didn't. SAS has been in business a few years. He must be familiar with ploys to knock out another candidate by discrediting them but he didn't react to it that way. He seemed to see the revelation as relevant.
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:07
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The panelists on YF always seem to be selected to be favourable to the fired candidate (except in the case of Katie Hopkins and Jenny Celerier) so it wasn't really a surprise to me that they sympathised with Lucinda and criticised Alex.

In deference to you, I'll watch Alex more closely, although of course I've only got one week left. I think a lot of people misinterpret Alex. I believe he's an introvert and isn't as overt or directly expressive as some of the other candidates. A lot goes on internally with him that more extrovert candidates would express directly. His performance in the interviews wasn't exactly sophisticated, or even as confident as the other candidates. He had to be persuaded to articulate his strengths for instance. It was obvious the interviews impacted on him emotionally. I don't see the sophistication necessary for half the things people accuse him of on here.

I think the thing in the boardroom was an emotional outburst. He clearly felt angry about what he perceived as Lucinda's level of dedication compared to his own when it came to a situation where SAS was choosing between the candidates. I don't say he didn't plan to bring it up. I suspect he may well have done. However I also think he thought he was conveying relevant information to SAS at the time he was making his choice.
I think Alex is completely an extrovert as we've seen in his snake like character.

Otherwise he has been completely incompetent throughout the show.
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:21
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He clearly felt angry about what he perceived as Lucinda's level of dedication compared to his own when it came to a situation where SAS was choosing between the candidates.
LIke he was angry about Sara's supposed lack of contribution the week Kevin was fired when he let rip at her you mean?

If you look at how Alex operates week on week he has ALWAYS been more concerned with observing the failings of his team mates to use against them in the boardroom than he has been about the success or otherwise of the task, and that has been the case right from week 1 and his disastrous stint as PM. As I've said before, if her had focused more on the task in hand than how to scr*w people over he might have been on the winning team more often.
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:36
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He is only 24 dont forget - and an immature 24 at that.
Is he 24? I don't remember it being mentioned in last night's episode

The only time Alex seems to find his voice is when he's about to stitch someone up.

I wouldn't like to work with ANY of these last four, it would be like working with a BB contestant.
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:50
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I have to say, I wouldn't have had a so much of a problem with Alex attempting to stitch up anyone IF he was fighting for survival.

However, at the time SAS was talking to the candidates in turn and Alex butted in and highjacked Lucinda's time. As far as I'm concerned, that's bloody rude and he should've been slapped down for it.

I suppose you do have to give him some allowance though....he is only 24!!!
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:22
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Alex is a little shit.

Lucinda's confidence was in tatters and she was expressing her own doubts about the process. It was a perfectly acceptable thing for her to question whether she wanted it or not, shows intelligence and maturity. Then Alex used it to drop her in it.

But if Suralan wants to work with a backstabbing snake like Alex, then it's his funeral.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:24
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Why is Alex getting the blame, yes he raised it up - but all others agreed. He had a point she even herself said she wasn't right for the job.. what's the problem?!

It was not Alex's job to raise this issue, he hijacked her time with SAS to put her in a bad light, it was nothing to do with him - plus he completely left off the part where she confirmed that she did want the job and would fight tooth and nail for it. Personally, as someone who hires and fires people in my job, I'd have sacked him on the spot, completely untrustworthy.

At the age of 24, which I have reason to believe Alex might be I'd have thought he might have learned something about manners.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:27
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Lucinda is too good for his organisation... she is intelligent, kind, can work as a team player and isn't a complete manipulative bully. Sir alan wants an arrogant bully who can twist things and manipulate their own collegues behind their backs --- good for him but I don't think it sums up his business well.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:30
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It was not Alex's job to raise this issue, he hijacked her time with SAS to put her in a bad light, it was nothing to do with him - plus he completely left off the part where she confirmed that she did want the job and would fight tooth and nail for it. Personally, as someone who hires and fires people in my job, I'd have sacked him on the spot, completely untrustworthy.

At the age of 24, which I have reason to believe Alex might be I'd have thought he might have learned something about manners.
manners don't come in for fighting for a job that has a lot of applicants for.

Lucinda said 'She doesn't need the job'

Alex and the other candidates 'Need the job'

Lucinda was unsure about committing to one place, and was having doubts.

The other contestant had no doubts that they need the job.

Lucinda said herself that 'she is not right for the job'

Lucinda is too good for his organisation... she is intelligent, kind, can work as a team player and isn't a complete manipulative bully
team leader yes - team player... have you missed her tantrums over the past 10 weeks?
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:38
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Lucinda said 'She doesn't need the job'

Alex and the other candidates 'Need the job'
To be fair, none of them 'need' the job. None of them were on the dole. Lucinda is the only one who would have been taking a pay cut if they won. They're all in it for the experience, none of them will starve if they don't win.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:43
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Anyone that desperate for a job would not waste weeks on a tv show.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:45
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manners don't come in for fighting for a job that has a lot of applicants for.

Lucinda said 'She doesn't need the job'

Alex and the other candidates 'Need the job'

Lucinda was unsure about committing to one place, and was having doubts.

The other contestant had no doubts that they need the job.

Lucinda said herself that 'she is not right for the job'



team leader yes - team player... have you missed her tantrums over the past 10 weeks?
When I interview someone manners certainly do come into it, I don't give a damm whether I've got 1000 people fighting for the job I want someone who behaves in a respectful manner towards others, whatever level they are in the company I work for.

Lucinda had a moment of doubt, and in the long run I do believe SAS made the right decision, which I think he'd have made anyway, he just didn't need Alex's blantent backstabbing to help him make that decision.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:51
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Ha. Hilarious seeing all these people thinking Alex was in the right. If Alex was an even vaguely strong candidate on his own merit he wouldn't need to go sabotaging Lucinda like that. He only does his back-stabbing weasel routine because he's got nothing going for him and hopes if he drops everyone else in it they'll get the boot before him.

It's worked. He's good at it - but he hasn't proven to be good at anything other than being a sly, disonest serpent.
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