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Alex - And Alan wants somebody like this working for his company
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Mamaboogie
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Aleksis:
“Ha. Hilarious seeing all these people thinking Alex was in the right. If Alex was an even vaguely strong candidate on his own merit he wouldn't need to go sabotaging Lucinda like that. He only does his back-stabbing weasel routine because he's got nothing going for him and hopes if he drops everyone else in it they'll get the boot before him.

It's worked. He's good at it - but he hasn't proven to be good at anything other than being a sly, disonest serpent.”

I actually agree with this. The whole point of this interview week is so the candidates can show off what THEY can do - Alex had nothing to show for his 24 years so he had to resort to stabbing someone else in the back.

It's just a shame SAS fell for it and kept those 4 for the final.
Pitiful really.
williams96
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Cadence:
“Well as I've said elsewhere, most people colour their account of a situation with their own view or feeling and he raised it in Lucinda's presence, so it was open to her to correct his account, which she did. However SAS still considered it relevant that Lucinda had had doubts I believe, even if she did go on to rededicate herself to getting the job.

I think Alex can be relied on to communicate relevant information - the relevant point being that Lucinda had had doubts, which brought into question her dedication. The fact that she later said she no longer had doubts is not the relevant point in my view - and I suspect SAS saw it that way as well. It brought into question her consistency.”

Fine if he had just left the latter out, but what he did say included a fabrication of the truth, 'oh how do I tell Sir Alan etc'. He dramatised it in a manner which made it seem more than the actual questioning of it was. I can do that to, it's no skill.

I cannot believe in this stage of the competition anyone would think Alex was a candidate to be relied on for bringing up relevant information. He's showed time and time again that he'd hide from his failings and rather focus on someone who he feels he can help eliminate. Margaret caught him out when he denied walking away from any responsible role (who was it he was denying it to?).

Had he really been so 'angry' about it he would have brought it up straight away or even talked to Lucinda about how annoyed he was, but no. If it was such a big deal to me, I would have jumped on it when she had said it and made her realise how much I had left for this job. That if she is unsure, I'd like to make sure she does the right thing and doesn't take the opportunity away from anyone else.

And I still am amazed people fail to see how Alex coming in a team where Lee and Lucinda had already established a working relationship affected the whole group dynamic. As much as Lucinda was not a team player neither was Alex and he did his own bit of unnecessary destruction by claiming Lucinda's idea just to annoy her. No doubt in the boardroom he'd have disowned it again.
Vivid
05-06-2008
This bears no relation to reality.

Alex didn't want to be Simon's deputy leader because he recognised that Simon was going to cock things up and he understandably didn't want to be contaminated by the fall out.

Alex clearly was angered by Lucinda's public claim to want the job in the boardroom, prior to that he didn't know what her real position was. The timing his remarks were perfectly justifiable, Alex makes comments when there is an issue of substance at hand and where the position is clear, Lucinda was wavering up till that point so he didn't comment.

Lee and Lucinda had a awkward relationship, her decision to humiliate him in the wedding task for her own self-aggrandisement when he attempted to make a point and their subsequent discussion in the taxi made that clear. Lee was prepared to put up with Lucinda until that point because she had been an ok project manager in his view which was that she hadn't been autocratic, what in fact was happening was that she was simply doing very little. Fortunately for Lucinda the tasks for which she was PM required little PM activity.

Lee became aware of Lucinda's shortcomings, lack of skills and disruptive attitude in tasks where she was required to do something. Alex was perceptive enough to realise that Lucinda was a waste of space and time before Lee did.
williams96
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“This bears no relation to reality.

Alex didn't want to be Simon's deputy leader because he recognised that Simon was going to cock things up and he understandably didn't want to be contaminated by the fall out.”

It was the point he lied in the boardroom that he hadn't backed away. Not why he backed away. Your point is irrelevant to what I said and again you struggle to be able to say anything but positives when talking about Alex. Despite it being blindingly obvious what I meant in my post.

Funny how if Lucinda had done the same you would say how she was purely thinking about positioning herself for the boardroom rather than trying to win the task.

Double standards.
Beer
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“This bears no relation to reality.

Alex didn't want to be Simon's deputy leader because he recognised that Simon was going to cock things up and he understandably didn't want to be contaminated by the fall out.

Alex clearly was angered by Lucinda's public claim to want the job in the boardroom, prior to that he didn't know what her real position was. The timing his remarks were perfectly justifiable, Alex makes comments when there is an issue of substance at hand and where the position is clear, Lucinda was wavering up till that point so he didn't comment.

Lee and Lucinda had a awkward relationship, her decision to humiliate him in the wedding task for her own self-aggrandisement when he attempted to make a point and their subsequent discussion in the taxi made that clear. Lee was prepared to put up with Lucinda until that point because she had been an ok project manager in his view which was that she hadn't been autocratic, what in fact was happening was that she was simply doing very little. Fortunately for Lucinda the tasks for which she was PM required little PM activity.

Lee became aware of Lucinda's shortcomings, lack of skills and disruptive attitude in tasks where she was required to do something. Alex was perceptive enough to realise that Lucinda was a waste of space and time before Lee did.”

They were not justifiable at all and how the hell can you say that Lucinda has a lack of skills and is disruptive?

They were not justifiable becuase Lucinda said she wanted the job and would fight for it.

She has more tasks as anybody else so she has more skills than Alex who has failed 6 to Lucinda's 2!!!!

Alex was perceptive? Perceptive? Are you trying to hoodwink everybody or do you actually believe this?

He used it to try and get rid of her. He will fail in any job other than that which is low pay commission work like he is doing because he is useless. He has proved it in real life and he has proved it on the apprentice. Anybody who thinks otherwise is not stretching the truth but imagining events that occur in the "alex is hot" world.
Agent Krycek
05-06-2008
There was no justification for Alex say what he did. If SAS had asked him whether he thought Lucinda wanted the job, then he had ever right to speak, however he jumped in when the conversation had nothing to do with him, he had had his turn, when again, maybe he could have been justified in bringing up Lucinda's previous comments (in a 'I want this more then Lucinda who was doubting her want for the role' blah blah blah), however he didn't do this either.

He waited, hijacked Lucinda's Q&A with SAS in a deliberate attack, it was not his place to bring up the matter up - it was a blatent attempt to sway SAS's decision and put Lucinda in a bad light.

I've said before that I believe SAS made the right decision, Lucinda much as I adore her wouldn't fit in, however I'd have had Alex following her staight out the door after that little display.
ebjeebe
05-06-2008
Alex just confirmed once and for all what I already suspected of him over the whole series...he is a snake. For what he did last night, I would have anyone win over him. Even Helene!
Peter E
05-06-2008
I liked him at first but his performance last night was awful i.e. when he dropped Lucinda in the sh*t.
ebjeebe
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Peter E:
“I liked him at first but his performance last night was awful i.e. when he dropped Lucinda in the sh*t.”

I remember the first task and I thought that I liked him. He seemed to be good, which he is - there is no doubting that - but why does he have to be such a back stabber? It isn't necessary regardless of what anyone says.
Beer
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by ebjeebe:
“Alex just confirmed once and for all what I already suspected of him over the whole series...he is a snake. For what he did last night, I would have anyone win over him. Even Helene!”

I think he is completely immature and stuck in the playground still. He has no real life experience as it appears from his job he simply just tells people to sell and doesn't do much of the selling himself.
ebjeebe
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Beer:
“I think he is completely immature and stuck in the playground still. He has no real life experience as it appears from his job he simply just tells people to sell and doesn't do much of the selling himself.”

Can you honestly see that child managing anyone? I can't. You're right about the playground. He came across as if he was fighting it out to be head boy.
Vicar2win
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by pauljaw:
“Totally.

Except for Lee bullying that other woman that time.”

Yes I thought Lee was a contender and seemed a nice enough man until he totally ripped into Sara. It was absolutely uncalled for and I'm really glad Rafe stepped in.

Its a pack mentality and they try to pick off the weaker ones.
BMLisa
05-06-2008
I can't wok out if it is a blessing or a curse that Claire and Lee are together.

If they win it means that helene and Alex didn't make it to the fial two, but If they lose that means either Helene or Alex wins.

Also did anyone notice that Claire and Lee sort of shrugged and looked away so they were't involved whereas Helene couldn't wait to jump in and agree with Alex.

Those two really are vile
J_Peasmould
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Peter E:
“I liked him at first but his performance last night was awful i.e. when he dropped Lucinda in the sh*t.”

Agreed, that wasn't a very nice thing for Alex, who is only 24, to do!

On the one hand I think it's completely an unacceptable thing for Alex (only 24) to do, on the other hand Lucinda did not really want/need the job, and being SAS' apprentice is something that the rest had given up a lot to do, as Alex, who is only 24, mentioned.

PJ68
05-06-2008
even if lucinda was the absolute worst person for the job there was no need at all for alex to say what he did.

nasty, petty, back stabbing...it makes you wonder what SAS is like if this is the sort of person he wants working for him. i find it quite depressing

alex is vacant and had nothing to really say for himself
Dollystanford
05-06-2008
I'm struggling to see what they all see in Alex. He can sell - big deal, so can lots of people

he's immature, sly, divisive and disruptive. His face when he stirs the shitstorm and sits back watching people go for each other makes me want to SLAP it

he acts like a petulant teenager, Helene swears like a docker in interviews, Lee is a liar

and yet they are apparently such good candidates that he can't decide between then - what crap
the_sheepman
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by ebjeebe:
“Can you honestly see that child managing anyone? I can't. You're right about the playground. He came across as if he was fighting it out to be head boy.”

I think I'd like him to come and work in my organisation. In my office he wouldn't last five minutes before someone asked him out (and I don't mean for a drink).

He's an immature child and in my mind anyone who employs him must be just as low and Alex is.
Chilli Dragon
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by PJ68:
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alex is vacant and had nothing to really say for himself”

He does! "I'm only 24"
fredster
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Mr Pimm:
“Alex is utterly despicable alright. But that much has been clear for quite some time now. Nice to see him show his true slimeball colours in the boardroom though.”


I am really surprised SAS did not take him to task over that remark. I wonder if he had thought about saving her before the despicable Alex signed Lucindas death warrent?
Dollystanford
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Chilli Dragon:
“He does! "I'm only 24" ”

24 isn't that young, some people have been in work for nearly a decade by then!!
sebright
05-06-2008
Sir, Sir, please Sir! Lucinda said she didn't want the job, Sir...

What SAS should have said in reply: Shut up, Wotherspoon, you odious little snitch. And stop chewing the inside of your cheek. Go and stand outside the door. I'm sick of the sight of you.
cressida100
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by sebright:
“Sir, Sir, please Sir! Lucinda said she didn't want the job, Sir...

What SAS should have said in reply: Shut up, Wotherspoon, you odious little snitch. And stop chewing the inside of your cheek. Go and stand outside the door. I'm sick of the sight of you.”

we wish!
gamercraig
05-06-2008
He is a typical pretty boy who thinks his looks can get him through life without having to put any effort in.
Pretty Polly
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“24 isn't that young, some people have been in work for nearly a decade by then!!”

Yes but he did have to fit in all that private education!
Dollystanford
05-06-2008
Originally Posted by gamercraig:
“He is a typical pretty boy who thinks his looks can get him through life without having to put any effort in.”


apparently he appears to be right though, as he's spent 11 weeks doing f**k all but get by on a bit of charm

do you think he would have sold those horrible wedding dresses if he hadn't been 'good looking'
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