Originally Posted by missmaisie:
“Vivid - you might want to change your name to Vitriol”
“Vivid - you might want to change your name to Vitriol”
And you wouldn't be the first person to suggest that, either
For me, Lucinda is the real winner
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Originally Posted by Vivadiva:
“I entirely agree- why would anyone with a moral conscience want to work for such a company?”
“I entirely agree- why would anyone with a moral conscience want to work for such a company?”
Indeed ! and why would she want to work for someone who can't see through a toss pot like Alex.
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“She emerged as mindless, ineffectual, inept, skill-less, detached from reality, babbling, petty minded and barely able to engage in a sensible conversation.
One of the interviewers was very insightful, she just doesn't listen. She doesn't seem capable of absorbing information, prioritising or in fact anything very much.
She is utterly self-absorbed and insulated from reality and its workings. She is a complete waste of space and simply witters into space making no impression.
The only thing she is capable of applying herself to is her dress sense, anything more demanding or more involved with people is beyond her.”
“She emerged as mindless, ineffectual, inept, skill-less, detached from reality, babbling, petty minded and barely able to engage in a sensible conversation.
One of the interviewers was very insightful, she just doesn't listen. She doesn't seem capable of absorbing information, prioritising or in fact anything very much.
She is utterly self-absorbed and insulated from reality and its workings. She is a complete waste of space and simply witters into space making no impression.
The only thing she is capable of applying herself to is her dress sense, anything more demanding or more involved with people is beyond her.”
Oh! blimey, your back are you. If that was all she was capable of she wouldn't be earning 100k now would she, silly
Originally Posted by missmaisie:
“Vivid - you might want to change your name to Vitriol”
“Vivid - you might want to change your name to Vitriol”
Excellent suggestion missmaisie. I'll second that.
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“She emerged as mindless, ineffectual, inept, skill-less, detached from reality, babbling, petty minded and barely able to engage in a sensible conversation.
One of the interviewers was very insightful, she just doesn't listen. She doesn't seem capable of absorbing information, prioritising or in fact anything very much.
She is utterly self-absorbed and insulated from reality and its workings. She is a complete waste of space and simply witters into space making no impression.
The only thing she is capable of applying herself to is her dress sense, anything more demanding or more involved with people is beyond her.”
“She emerged as mindless, ineffectual, inept, skill-less, detached from reality, babbling, petty minded and barely able to engage in a sensible conversation.
One of the interviewers was very insightful, she just doesn't listen. She doesn't seem capable of absorbing information, prioritising or in fact anything very much.
She is utterly self-absorbed and insulated from reality and its workings. She is a complete waste of space and simply witters into space making no impression.
The only thing she is capable of applying herself to is her dress sense, anything more demanding or more involved with people is beyond her.”
I have to disagree and say that this is one of the least observant comments I have ever seen on this forum. I suppose it might hold true for anyone who cannot see beyond bluff and bluster. Unfortunately this does seem to include Sir Alan and cronies who have bowed to the pressure of lying troglodyte paul and his ilk.
Such a shame, but I am sure things will change for the better once people realise that teamwork is not about stamping on people or stabbing them in the back.
I wouldn't want to argue with the successful businesswoman on "You're Fired" just now who said basically that Lucinda's too good for Sir Alan's organisation and that her problems were not entirely her fault.
Originally Posted by Elzbells:
“In the end it was obvious that Alan Sugar saw Lucinda in the same way as the rest of the moronic cretins have this series - a bit quirky, a bit posh, too honest and most importantly more intelligent and dignified than all of them put together.
Basically, AS showed there is no room in his organisation for bright, spirited individuals - so let him opt for the snake Alex; the walking-gob Claire, the graduate of the university of Slough - I think there's another one but I can't remember his name - I think he has big balls though.
Thank God for Lucinda and Raef this serires without them the programme would have been totally unwatchable.”
“In the end it was obvious that Alan Sugar saw Lucinda in the same way as the rest of the moronic cretins have this series - a bit quirky, a bit posh, too honest and most importantly more intelligent and dignified than all of them put together.
Basically, AS showed there is no room in his organisation for bright, spirited individuals - so let him opt for the snake Alex; the walking-gob Claire, the graduate of the university of Slough - I think there's another one but I can't remember his name - I think he has big balls though.
Thank God for Lucinda and Raef this serires without them the programme would have been totally unwatchable.”
I think a lot of viewers will be disappointed that they didn't get the dream Raef/Lucinda final that they wanted.
You would have thought Sir Alan would appreciate the individualism that Lucinda has, why does he want someone who isn't going to stand out. Oh well if its a packhorse he wants, he need only look to Alex, he fits that bill nicely, horrible person he turned out to be.
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“thank heavens she got away. She's far too good for that job. No one sane would want to work for him. Seriously.”
“thank heavens she got away. She's far too good for that job. No one sane would want to work for him. Seriously.”
That was pretty much inferred on "You're Fired" just now. I will miss her. I think her dress sense is, if anything, a good business ploy as long as she is dealing with truly intelligent people and not the mindless and stupid stuffed animals whom Sir Alan seems to prefer.
The words "She's very bright, a highly intelligent woman. She would be a disaster for you." are so very, very telling! She'd see that organisation for the museum piece that it is and change it, raise it up out of the mud - the mud which is the comfort zone of the worms who crawl in it. That would surely be a disaster for the under-rock dwellers if they were blinded by the light after so many years in the dark.
Lucinda okay leader, hopeless team member ... to me being a good team member is more important so Lucinda loses
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“In that case, how has she managed to become the highest earning businesswoman of this series?”
“In that case, how has she managed to become the highest earning businesswoman of this series?”
I am having difficulty answering that one, there has to be an explanation and I will find it, but no one that stupid and inept can be really earning that amount through talent.
She might be able to perform some Feng Shui ( god wouldn't you just know she would be interested in something detached from reality and farcical)
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“You have some 'issues' don't you?
”
“You have some 'issues' don't you?
”
I have some issues that someone so utterly talentless and inept and self-absorbed and incapable of being in a team seems to have deceived some viewers. She simply babbles nonsense all the time.
She should be confined to beret shop and insulated from the rest of us.
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“I am having difficulty answering that one, there has to be an explanation and I will find it, but no one that stupid and inept can be really earning that amount through talent.
She might be able to perform some Feng Shui ( god wouldn't you just know she would be interested in something detached from reality and farcical)”
“I am having difficulty answering that one, there has to be an explanation and I will find it, but no one that stupid and inept can be really earning that amount through talent.
She might be able to perform some Feng Shui ( god wouldn't you just know she would be interested in something detached from reality and farcical)”
Who wants your answers? You seem to be the one detached from reality!
Originally Posted by hopeandfaith06:
“I agree she wasn't right for the job, but i really liked her. I have a feeling i would have gotten on well with her if i was there. Not sure why. She wasn't a cocky **** like the others, and actually she had a lot of good ideas. Like when they did the tissues, and the two guys put stupid pictures of kids blowing their noses? WTF, and she said she didn't like them, the most sensible thing that was said throughout that whole episode.”
“I agree she wasn't right for the job, but i really liked her. I have a feeling i would have gotten on well with her if i was there. Not sure why. She wasn't a cocky **** like the others, and actually she had a lot of good ideas. Like when they did the tissues, and the two guys put stupid pictures of kids blowing their noses? WTF, and she said she didn't like them, the most sensible thing that was said throughout that whole episode.”
Yes she had a great idea of marketing them as tissues for homosexuals. Every single one of her suggestions was utterly inept and unrealistic. The only time she did anything right was when she did nothing, as she did when she was PM.
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“I am having difficulty answering that one, there has to be an explanation and I will find it, but no one that stupid and inept can be really earning that amount through talent.”
“I am having difficulty answering that one, there has to be an explanation and I will find it, but no one that stupid and inept can be really earning that amount through talent.”
While you're finding an answer to that question, you might also want to explain how Lucinda managed to be on the winning team more times than anyone else and got sterling comments from her peers on the occassions when she was a project manager.
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I'm so gutted for Lucinda.
She was so frank in her interviews and I admired her for that.
But ultimately she was marginalised for being "different" and I don't think that's a particularly pleasant or helpful message for Sir Alan to send out.
She was too good for that job and she wasn't prepared to stoop the level of the others to attain it.
Classy, quirky, capable. Those will be my lasting impressions of Lucinda.”
“I'm so gutted for Lucinda.
She was so frank in her interviews and I admired her for that.
But ultimately she was marginalised for being "different" and I don't think that's a particularly pleasant or helpful message for Sir Alan to send out.
She was too good for that job and she wasn't prepared to stoop the level of the others to attain it.
Classy, quirky, capable. Those will be my lasting impressions of Lucinda.”
That's exactly it. I noticed this at the beginning and Nick also stated that she was the victim of the mob becaus she was 'different'. Unfortunately, as much as we like to think SAS' organisation is run by barrow boys and therefore doesn't typify the corporate mentality, that is not the case. There are many intelligent and talented people who are employed by multinational corporations (weilding the Diversity banner) who encounter mob culture and bully-boy tactics every day, simply because they are different (regardless of speech, education, dress, etc).
I'm afraid that Lucinda's qualities reach far beyond those ever to be touched by the likes of the mob applying for the Apprentice or in most organisations. She is better off as her own boss and astute as she is, she should know this now.
Good for you, Lucinda, in trying to break boundaries in a very stubborn, and somewhat backward culture where insecure brashness speaks louder than pure, quiet intelligence. BUT really, congratulations in failing to obtain a job that would have sent you to counselling in split second.
As pleased as I am for Lucinda's escape, I can only think that if SAS employed more Lucindas, he wouldn't be producing redundant, plastic shite that nobody wants, anywhere (allegedly).
As much as he likes to portray that he is different from 'corporate organisations', SAS has shown that he possesses the same narrow-mindedness that purveys throughout all organisations whether they are employed in the majority by 'toffs' or barrowboys'.
Lucinda, you're better off out of it.
She has had a rough ride in there, a bit like Adam last year, but still came out at the top. I liked Lucinda but the point for her was just getting her face on tv. 
And why not I love eccentrics.
And why not I love eccentrics.
I Love this thread!
I've been saying for some time that Lucinda is not apprentice material (or, to spin it a slightly different way, Alan Sugar is not Lucinda material).
For once a thread that is not dominated by Lucinda haters nor Lucinda 'lovers', just people who see an intelligent, articulate, quirky, person with an 'interesting' dress sense that makes the world seem just that little bit more colourful and just that little bit less bland.
Go for it Lucinda. Keep having the courage to be different.
You are a class piece of work.
I've been saying for some time that Lucinda is not apprentice material (or, to spin it a slightly different way, Alan Sugar is not Lucinda material).
For once a thread that is not dominated by Lucinda haters nor Lucinda 'lovers', just people who see an intelligent, articulate, quirky, person with an 'interesting' dress sense that makes the world seem just that little bit more colourful and just that little bit less bland.
Go for it Lucinda. Keep having the courage to be different.
You are a class piece of work.
Originally Posted by 2LO:
“I Love this thread!
I've been saying for some time that Lucinda is not apprentice material (or, to spin it a slightly different way, Alan Sugar is not Lucinda material).
For once a thread that is not dominated by Lucinda haters nor Lucinda 'lovers', just people who see an intelligent, articulate, quirky, person with an 'interesting' dress sense that makes the world seem just that little bit more colourful and just that little bit less bland.
Go for it Lucinda. Keep having the courage to be different.
You are a class piece of work.”
“I Love this thread!
I've been saying for some time that Lucinda is not apprentice material (or, to spin it a slightly different way, Alan Sugar is not Lucinda material).
For once a thread that is not dominated by Lucinda haters nor Lucinda 'lovers', just people who see an intelligent, articulate, quirky, person with an 'interesting' dress sense that makes the world seem just that little bit more colourful and just that little bit less bland.
Go for it Lucinda. Keep having the courage to be different.
You are a class piece of work.
”
You are delightful!
Vivid- don't you find it, slightly...I don't know.....ODD, that you are the only person on this, let's face it, pretty massive forum, with such a view? Oh no, I forget, we are ALL wrong. All of us. No two ways about it. You are all knowing, so very clever. Yep, that's it ............:yawn:
I say we ignore his utterly unintelligent comments 100% from here on in, as he only feeds of the rest of us getting wound up by him. He'd get far more wound up if we just froze him out- let him have his pea-brained opinions, it's funny. He's just upset because he's such a class A **** that he has no girlfriend in the real world. If he does, she must be a right bitch with no self respect.
I say we ignore his utterly unintelligent comments 100% from here on in, as he only feeds of the rest of us getting wound up by him. He'd get far more wound up if we just froze him out- let him have his pea-brained opinions, it's funny. He's just upset because he's such a class A **** that he has no girlfriend in the real world. If he does, she must be a right bitch with no self respect.
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“While you're finding an answer to that question, you might also want to explain how Lucinda managed to be on the winning team more times than anyone else and got sterling comments from her peers on the occassions when she was a project manager.”
“While you're finding an answer to that question, you might also want to explain how Lucinda managed to be on the winning team more times than anyone else and got sterling comments from her peers on the occassions when she was a project manager.”
She received positive comments because as Raef said, she let them get on and do the task. She was project manager for tasks that required almost no project management, just a few decisions and that was it.
People often mistake no management for good management because they aren't being hassled and can enjoy themselves, and the times she was PM are classic cases of this phenomenon.
She made a negative contributions to the teams she was on and yet her teams won, sometimes luck simply falls that way, Alex was often on the losing team despite his positive contributions. You can't rely totally on the team win results as a measure. James Max in the first series was an example where his personal contributions to his teams caused teams to win, unfortunately the success of the team does not always reflect this.
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“She should be confined to beret shop and insulated from the rest of us.”
“She should be confined to beret shop and insulated from the rest of us.”
You're the one who should be insulated from the rest of us. You just cannot seem to express yourself in anything but an inflamatory way can you. Are you trying to work yourself up to getting another ban. ?
Having an opinion is one thing, but you write in such an obnoxious way, I'm sure you get off on getting peoples backs up.
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I think a lot of viewers will be disappointed that they didn't get the dream Raef/Lucinda final that they wanted.”
“I think a lot of viewers will be disappointed that they didn't get the dream Raef/Lucinda final that they wanted.”
I'm disappointed we didn't get either! I was sure they'd both be in the final a few weeks back!
As loads have already said here, it's a real shame she was fired, but quite frankly she's too good for the job! Lucinda will do really well for herself, and doesn't need SAS. She's not an "apprentice" in that she needs to be taught (let's face it, if there was one person who was teaching it'd be her), so I've no doubt she'll be successful elsewhere. I'm just upset that there's a Lucinda-free week of The Apprentice, I wanted her through the whole journey for my own happiness and enjoyment!
Now I'm just praying that snidy git Alex doesn't get hired.
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“She received positive comments because as Raef said, she let them get on and do the task. She was project manager for tasks that required almost no project management, just a few decisions and that was it.
People often mistake no management for good management because they aren't being hassled and can enjoy themselves, and the times she was PM are classic cases of this behaviour.
She made a negative contributions to the teams she was on and yet her teams won, sometimes luck simply falls that way, Alex was often on the losing team despite his positive contributions. You can't rely totally on the team win results as a measure. James Max in the first series was an example where his personal contributions to his teams caused teams to win, unfortunately the success of the team does not always reflect this.”
“She received positive comments because as Raef said, she let them get on and do the task. She was project manager for tasks that required almost no project management, just a few decisions and that was it.
People often mistake no management for good management because they aren't being hassled and can enjoy themselves, and the times she was PM are classic cases of this behaviour.
She made a negative contributions to the teams she was on and yet her teams won, sometimes luck simply falls that way, Alex was often on the losing team despite his positive contributions. You can't rely totally on the team win results as a measure. James Max in the first series was an example where his personal contributions to his teams caused teams to win, unfortunately the success of the team does not always reflect this.”
Please explain the differences between the ice cream task.
Claire clearly had no management, had few appointments and turned up late to their taste testing as a result. Just because someone isn't autocratic does not mean they are not managing the team.
Originally Posted by lozza73:
“That's exactly it. I noticed this at the beginning and Nick also stated that she was the victim of the mob becaus she was 'different'. Unfortunately, as much as we like to think SAS' organisation is run by barrow boys and therefore doesn't typify the corporate mentality, that is not the case. There are many well educated and talented people who are employed by multinational corporations (weilding the Diversity banner) who encounter mob culture and bully-boy tactics every day, simply because they are different (regardless of speech, education, dress, etc).
I'm afraid that Lucinda's qualities reach far beyond those ever to be touched by the likes of the mob applying for the Apprentice or in most organisations. She is better off as her own boss and astute as she is, she should know this now.
Good for you, Lucinda, in trying to break boundaries in a very stubborn, and somewhat backward culture where insecure brashness speaks louder than pure, quiet intelligence. BUT really, congratulations in failing to obtain a job that would have sent you to counselling in split second.
As pleased as I am for Lucinda's escape, I can only think that if SAS employed more Lucindas, he wouldn't be producing redundant plastic shite that nobody wants, anywhere.
As much as he likes to portray that he is different from 'corporate organisations', SAS has shown that he possesses the same narrow-mindedness that perveys throughout all organisations whether they are employed in the majority by 'toffs' or barrowboys'.
Lucinda, you're better off out of it.”
“That's exactly it. I noticed this at the beginning and Nick also stated that she was the victim of the mob becaus she was 'different'. Unfortunately, as much as we like to think SAS' organisation is run by barrow boys and therefore doesn't typify the corporate mentality, that is not the case. There are many well educated and talented people who are employed by multinational corporations (weilding the Diversity banner) who encounter mob culture and bully-boy tactics every day, simply because they are different (regardless of speech, education, dress, etc).
I'm afraid that Lucinda's qualities reach far beyond those ever to be touched by the likes of the mob applying for the Apprentice or in most organisations. She is better off as her own boss and astute as she is, she should know this now.
Good for you, Lucinda, in trying to break boundaries in a very stubborn, and somewhat backward culture where insecure brashness speaks louder than pure, quiet intelligence. BUT really, congratulations in failing to obtain a job that would have sent you to counselling in split second.
As pleased as I am for Lucinda's escape, I can only think that if SAS employed more Lucindas, he wouldn't be producing redundant plastic shite that nobody wants, anywhere.
As much as he likes to portray that he is different from 'corporate organisations', SAS has shown that he possesses the same narrow-mindedness that perveys throughout all organisations whether they are employed in the majority by 'toffs' or barrowboys'.
Lucinda, you're better off out of it.”
Couldn't have put it better myself.
I was furious at the interviewer who patronisingly told Lucinda that she'd be better off setting up a meditation centre (or the like). She hasn't made 100K a year selling aromatherapy candles!
My heart fell when they cut to the scenes of the remaining four mocking Lucinda's interview style and then back at the house when they celebrated making the final without her.
Lucinda was always seen and treated as an outsider. The truth is, her rivals felt threatened by an individual who wasn't afraid to be just that - an individual.
I'll miss her.
Originally Posted by EdensUltimate:
“Now I'm just praying that snidy git Alex doesn't get hired.”
“Now I'm just praying that snidy git Alex doesn't get hired.”
Amen to that.
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