Originally Posted by RansomTheBall:
“It would help if all the bands they mentioned were actually British
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“It would help if all the bands they mentioned were actually British
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OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?
Caral Barat British music has been killed.
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Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?”
“OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?”
Does it offend you yeah? are pretty good, as someone has already mentioned earlier
Bloc party
Radiohead
Muse
Originally Posted by TomDaOne:
“First of all I thought The Fray were American unless I'm mistaken. The Cribs sound nothing like The Kooks. I've not had the pleasure of hearing the The Lines or The Courteeners so can't comment on them. Klaxons sound like nothing like any of those bands you've mentioned.”
“First of all I thought The Fray were American unless I'm mistaken. The Cribs sound nothing like The Kooks. I've not had the pleasure of hearing the The Lines or The Courteeners so can't comment on them. Klaxons sound like nothing like any of those bands you've mentioned.”
I agree.
Not to mention that Klaxons aren't a "The" band.
Music in this country was in a worse state a couple of years ago with the manufactured stuff burning through the radio from the likes of Cowell and Westlife.
I would rather this boring Indy stuff than Boyzone. I very much hope we never go back to those dark days.
I think music is more healthy than it is has ever been as there is so much to choose from. You don't have to follow the crowd and listen to the big bands. It is even cool to say you still listen to the Clash and Bob Dylan, there is no format in the way we listen to music today - if I had have turned round to my mates in school I was listening to Jimi Hendrix I would have been thought of old fashioned but kids today can mix their mp3 players with old and new music - I was born at the wrong time, I would love to be a teenager now.
I have been very impressed with Cherry Ghost, Muse, (I know they have been out for awhile) Bats for lashes, Maximo Park, Artic Monkeys, Interpol.
I would rather this boring Indy stuff than Boyzone. I very much hope we never go back to those dark days.
I think music is more healthy than it is has ever been as there is so much to choose from. You don't have to follow the crowd and listen to the big bands. It is even cool to say you still listen to the Clash and Bob Dylan, there is no format in the way we listen to music today - if I had have turned round to my mates in school I was listening to Jimi Hendrix I would have been thought of old fashioned but kids today can mix their mp3 players with old and new music - I was born at the wrong time, I would love to be a teenager now.
I have been very impressed with Cherry Ghost, Muse, (I know they have been out for awhile) Bats for lashes, Maximo Park, Artic Monkeys, Interpol.
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“I agree with him that British music is garbage nowadays. There are too many bands like The Kooks, The Fray, The Cribs, The Klaxons, The Lines, The Courteeners... I could go on and on, and they all sound the same. I've played in a band myself and the stuff they produce takes very little talent to play. There are a few diamonds in the rough, like The Ting-Tings, and as usual NME are pushing them to the moon as the new saviours of music. What a load of crap.
Just learn a few chords, make your hair really messy, buy a "kooky" jacket from Topman, and away you go. THE NAME!!!
Carl's band isn't the best either but for the most part they are alright.
In 2001/2 we had similar amounts of "The The" bands - but at least most of them had their own style and sound.”
“I agree with him that British music is garbage nowadays. There are too many bands like The Kooks, The Fray, The Cribs, The Klaxons, The Lines, The Courteeners... I could go on and on, and they all sound the same. I've played in a band myself and the stuff they produce takes very little talent to play. There are a few diamonds in the rough, like The Ting-Tings, and as usual NME are pushing them to the moon as the new saviours of music. What a load of crap.
Just learn a few chords, make your hair really messy, buy a "kooky" jacket from Topman, and away you go. THE NAME!!!
Carl's band isn't the best either but for the most part they are alright.
In 2001/2 we had similar amounts of "The The" bands - but at least most of them had their own style and sound.”
I understand and agree with the sentiment, but your examples are nonsense.
The Fray are an American piano/pop rock band and have nothing in common with the British indie rock you're ranting about, they're not even on an indie label. The Cribs sound nothing like The Kooks or The Courteeners. Klaxons (not "The" Klaxons by the way) don't either. Claiming The Ting Tings are a diamond in the rough is laughable. Yes, they at least don't sound like The Kooks et al, but they're hardly unique. It's just basic pop music dressed up as something more trendy, and how can you complain about the simplicity of todays British indie rock music and then praise The Ting Tings? They've even admitted they didn't know how to work an amp when they played their first gig.
If you want to hear some great music stop listening to your radio for a start, stop watching MTV and all the other crap outlets.
If you want great music go and look for it, it is there.
Some of my favourite bands are here, though most are from Europe.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=119509965
If you want great music go and look for it, it is there.
Some of my favourite bands are here, though most are from Europe.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=119509965
Originally Posted by Ezenden:
“I understand and agree with the sentiment, but your examples are nonsense.
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“I understand and agree with the sentiment, but your examples are nonsense.
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Agreed, it was flawed - I get confused by so many talentless indie kids. The point still stands though, modern British music is garbage and nowhere near what it was five years ago. I should have mentioned the Kaiser Chiefs.
Also to the guy saying Radiohead and Muse, these bands are not new and have developed since the good old days. SO are irrelevant for this topic.
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?”
“OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?”
Late of the Pier
Los Campesinos!
Mystery Jets
Elle s'appelle
F_ck Buttons
Sky Larkin
Johnny Foreigner
Frightened Rabbit
Fanfarlo
The Twilight Sad
Broken Records
Gossamer Albatross
Foals
These New Puritans
Electrelane
Tellison
The Wave Pictures
Make Model
Meursault
This Town Needs Guns
Slow Club
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?”
“OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?”
Camera Obscura
Delays
Elbow
Fields
Ghosts
Goldfrapp
IAMX
Puressence
Thirteen Senses
to name but a few
I do agree with a lot of those on your list though, all dull, generic Radio 1 fodder.
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“Agreed, it was flawed - I get confused by so many talentless indie kids. The point still stands though, modern British music is garbage and nowhere near what it was five years ago. I should have mentioned the Kaiser Chiefs.
Also to the guy saying Radiohead and Muse, these bands are not new and have developed since the good old days. SO are irrelevant for this topic.”
“Agreed, it was flawed - I get confused by so many talentless indie kids. The point still stands though, modern British music is garbage and nowhere near what it was five years ago. I should have mentioned the Kaiser Chiefs.
Also to the guy saying Radiohead and Muse, these bands are not new and have developed since the good old days. SO are irrelevant for this topic.”
I'm a girl.
And you said: name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?
So I did. You didn't mention they had to be new. Though others have mentioned new(ish) bands that are british, and you haven't answered them.
And they're not talentless. Fair enough you do not like their music, but you cannot say they have no talent. Some have incredible songwriting skills, some are good at guitar. All play an instrument, and most sound pretty good live.
Better than dire pop acts that need an autotune, and the only thing they are useful for are their looks.
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?”
“OK, well name me more than ONE British band worth listening to?”
Okay just from my collection (cut down list):
Delays
Chungking
Sohodolls
Client
VNV Nation
Paradise Lost
Los Campesinos!
Ladytron
Queenadreena
British Sea Power
Camera Obscura
Clearlake
Mesh
Inertia
Deadline
The Duke Spirit
Freeform Five
The Go! Team
Goldfrapp
Hot Chip
Hummingbird
Lucky Soul
The Long Blondes
Long-view
Muse
My Latest Novel
New Young Pony Club
Senser
Placebo
Poppy & The Jezebels
Robots in Disguise
Schmoof
Simian Mobile Disco
Sol Invictus
Sons & Daughters
South
Temposhark
The Shortwave Set
Novus:UK
Some people need to learn how to read posts. I've made it quite clear we're talking about the newer bands. Radiohead, Muse, Goldfrapp, Hot Chip - all good and OLD. Not one of those newer bands is fit to lick my boots.
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“Some people need to learn how to read posts. I've made it quite clear we're talking about the newer bands. Radiohead, Muse, Goldfrapp, Hot Chip - all good and OLD. Not one of those newer bands is fit to lick my boots.”
“Some people need to learn how to read posts. I've made it quite clear we're talking about the newer bands. Radiohead, Muse, Goldfrapp, Hot Chip - all good and OLD. Not one of those newer bands is fit to lick my boots.”
My list was all newer bands that I consider to be "worth a listen" as I understood that's what you requested. Whether you like any of them is another thing entirely of course :/
Originally Posted by IndieLove92:
“Camera Obscura
Delays
Elbow
Fields
Ghosts
Goldfrapp
IAMX
Puressence
Thirteen Senses
to name but a few
I do agree with a lot of those on your list though, all dull, generic Radio 1 fodder.”
“Camera Obscura
Delays
Elbow
Fields
Ghosts
Goldfrapp
IAMX
Puressence
Thirteen Senses
to name but a few
I do agree with a lot of those on your list though, all dull, generic Radio 1 fodder.”
I am 90% certain that I have heard songs played (by the above highlighted) on Radio 1. On Zane Lowe weekday evenings or Steve Lamaq on Monday nights most likely. So does that make them Radio 1 fodder too? (whatever that is)
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“Some people need to learn how to read posts. I've made it quite clear we're talking about the newer bands. Radiohead, Muse, Goldfrapp, Hot Chip - all good and OLD. Not one of those newer bands is fit to lick my boots.”
“Some people need to learn how to read posts. I've made it quite clear we're talking about the newer bands. Radiohead, Muse, Goldfrapp, Hot Chip - all good and OLD. Not one of those newer bands is fit to lick my boots.”
Are they not? So you have looked on Youtube for songs by all these bands that people have listed and gave them a listen? Yeah of course you have...
Originally Posted by TomDaOne:
“I am 90% certain that I have heard songs played (by the above highlighted) on Radio 1. On Zane Lowe weekday evenings or Steve Lamaq on Monday nights most likely. So does that make them Radio 1 fodder too? (whatever that is)”
“I am 90% certain that I have heard songs played (by the above highlighted) on Radio 1. On Zane Lowe weekday evenings or Steve Lamaq on Monday nights most likely. So does that make them Radio 1 fodder too? (whatever that is)”
Camera Obscura, Delays, Fields - to my knowledge, not one of their singles have been playlisted on Radio 1. At least not in the last 3 years anyway. Perhaps you've heard them once or twice, but on the whole, they're not bands Radio 1 favour.
And when I say Radio 1 fodder, I'm not describing absolutely everything that's played on Radio 1, just the boring, unoriginal, radio friendly rubbish that gets played mostly in the daytime, i.e The Kooks, Razorlight, Scouting For Girls etc
Steve Lamaq is a good DJ, who promotes interesting, dynamic new bands. But he is one out of what? 50?
If I'm honest, I rarely listen to Radio 1 these days. But I do remember what it was like when I did listen a few years back, and I doubt very much it's changed to such an extent that it would be, on the whole, worth listening to.
The last nail in the coffin of Radio 1 was when John Peel passed away. It was on its last legs, but that's really when it died.
Goldfrapp are too good for Radio 1. They've been around almost ten years, so don't mention them in the same post as some of those other indie kids.
We are really suffering the hands of the "Myspace" bands, and to me that's all they'll ever be. Some label decides to hire them and churn out this mediocre garage shite which was at its peak in 2000 with The Strokes, who were actually good. Eight years later it's still cool to sound like garage shite, I guess.
Goldfrapp are too good for Radio 1. They've been around almost ten years, so don't mention them in the same post as some of those other indie kids.
We are really suffering the hands of the "Myspace" bands, and to me that's all they'll ever be. Some label decides to hire them and churn out this mediocre garage shite which was at its peak in 2000 with The Strokes, who were actually good. Eight years later it's still cool to sound like garage shite, I guess.
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“The last nail in the coffin of Radio 1 was when John Peel passed away. It was on its last legs, but that's really when it died.
Goldfrapp are too good for Radio 1. They've been around almost ten years, so don't mention them in the same post as some of those other indie kids.
We are really suffering the hands of the "Myspace" bands, and to me that's all they'll ever be. Some label decides to hire them and churn out this mediocre garage shite which was at its peak in 2000 with The Strokes, who were actually good. Eight years later it's still cool to sound like garage shite, I guess.”
“The last nail in the coffin of Radio 1 was when John Peel passed away. It was on its last legs, but that's really when it died.
Goldfrapp are too good for Radio 1. They've been around almost ten years, so don't mention them in the same post as some of those other indie kids.
We are really suffering the hands of the "Myspace" bands, and to me that's all they'll ever be. Some label decides to hire them and churn out this mediocre garage shite which was at its peak in 2000 with The Strokes, who were actually good. Eight years later it's still cool to sound like garage shite, I guess.”
None of the bands you talk about are garage rock. Listen to The Vines, The Hives, The White Stripes etc, The Kooks et al sound nothing like them and they don't try to either. There's a significant difference between garage rock and indie rock. The garage rock revival of the early 2000s (none of the biggest acts were British by the way) bears little resemblance or relevance to this current British indie rock/post-punk revival scene. It's based on the post-punk of the 80s and Britpop of the 90s.
Other than being part of the massive rock music spectrum, how is this close to this or this?
Originally Posted by IndieLove92:
“Camera Obscura, Delays, Fields - to my knowledge, not one of their singles have been playlisted on Radio 1. At least not in the last 3 years anyway. Perhaps you've heard them once or twice, but on the whole, they're not bands Radio 1 favour.”
“Camera Obscura, Delays, Fields - to my knowledge, not one of their singles have been playlisted on Radio 1. At least not in the last 3 years anyway. Perhaps you've heard them once or twice, but on the whole, they're not bands Radio 1 favour.”
They have not been playlisted your right. I've heard Zane Lowe and Steve Lamaq play those bands, possibly Colin Murray and Hugh Stevens too. None of their shows are playlist driven. Radio 1 in the evenings is much more varied and interesting musically because all you hear is not determined by a playlist. Especially Zane's show given the eccletic mix of genres and bands/artists he plays.
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“And when I say Radio 1 fodder, I'm not describing absolutely everything that's played on Radio 1, just the boring, unoriginal, radio friendly rubbish that gets played mostly in the daytime, i.e The Kooks, Razorlight, Scouting For Girls etc”
“And when I say Radio 1 fodder, I'm not describing absolutely everything that's played on Radio 1, just the boring, unoriginal, radio friendly rubbish that gets played mostly in the daytime, i.e The Kooks, Razorlight, Scouting For Girls etc”
So Radio 1 fodder is the popular mainstream playlisted stuff. I wonder would your opinion on Delays and the rest change if they suddenly got day time airplay and became really popular like the above mentioned Kooks and co?
Actually I remember four or five years back when Razorlight first came out, they had not got big yet. It's a shame that becoming popular and selling lots of records can make a band uncool.
I like Razorlight, shame most people will only know them for Americaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa which is I admit up-its-own-arse-radio-friendly shite, but the whole first album and most of the second is great.
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“Steve Lamaq is a good DJ, who promotes interesting, dynamic new bands. But he is one out of what? 50?
If I'm honest, I rarely listen to Radio 1 these days. But I do remember what it was like when I did listen a few years back, and I doubt very much it's changed to such an extent that it would be, on the whole, worth listening to.”
“Steve Lamaq is a good DJ, who promotes interesting, dynamic new bands. But he is one out of what? 50?
If I'm honest, I rarely listen to Radio 1 these days. But I do remember what it was like when I did listen a few years back, and I doubt very much it's changed to such an extent that it would be, on the whole, worth listening to.”
I can inform you it has changed quite a bit with regards to the evening schedule and out-put. Shows like the BBC Introducing presented by a different person from each nation (England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland) promote brand new unsigned bands/artists fromt those areas. All the specialist DJ's (which cover a vast array of genres) are very upfront and well-informed on their music.
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“The last nail in the coffin of Radio 1 was when John Peel passed away. It was on its last legs, but that's really when it died.”
“The last nail in the coffin of Radio 1 was when John Peel passed away. It was on its last legs, but that's really when it died.”
Disagree. They have carried on his legacy and his love for new exciting music.
Originally Posted by TomDaOne:
“They have not been playlisted your right. I've heard Zane Lowe and Steve Lamaq play those bands, possibly Colin Murray and Hugh Stevens too. None of their shows are playlist driven. Radio 1 in the evenings is much more varied and interesting musically because all you hear is not determined by a playlist. Especially Zane's show given the eccletic mix of genres and bands/artists he plays.”
“They have not been playlisted your right. I've heard Zane Lowe and Steve Lamaq play those bands, possibly Colin Murray and Hugh Stevens too. None of their shows are playlist driven. Radio 1 in the evenings is much more varied and interesting musically because all you hear is not determined by a playlist. Especially Zane's show given the eccletic mix of genres and bands/artists he plays.”
Evening shows, fair enough. But that's when they're allowed to play the more eclectic stuff, when far less people are tuning in.
Originally Posted by TomDaOne:
“So Radio 1 fodder is the popular mainstream playlisted stuff. I wonder would your opinion on Delays and the rest change if they suddenly got day time airplay and became really popular like the above mentioned Kooks and co?”
“So Radio 1 fodder is the popular mainstream playlisted stuff. I wonder would your opinion on Delays and the rest change if they suddenly got day time airplay and became really popular like the above mentioned Kooks and co?”
Believe it or not, it's actually the music I love them for, not how popular/unpopular they are. If they got played on Radio 1 I would be ecstatic for them, because it's quite clear that they want more recognition for their work, which they're not getting simply because daytime Radio 1 feels they're not quite safe enough for their larger audience.
Originally Posted by TomDaOne:
“I can inform you it has changed quite a bit with regards to the evening schedule and out-put. Shows like the BBC Introducing presented by a different person from each nation (England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland) promote brand new unsigned bands/artists fromt those areas. All the specialist DJ's (which cover a vast array of genres) are very upfront and well-informed on their music.”
“I can inform you it has changed quite a bit with regards to the evening schedule and out-put. Shows like the BBC Introducing presented by a different person from each nation (England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland) promote brand new unsigned bands/artists fromt those areas. All the specialist DJ's (which cover a vast array of genres) are very upfront and well-informed on their music.”
I'm sure they do, but again, why is this not on daytime radio, when most people are listening?
Originally Posted by Ezenden:
“None of the bands you talk about are garage rock. Listen to The Vines, The Hives, The White Stripes etc, The Kooks et al sound nothing like them and they don't try to either.”
“None of the bands you talk about are garage rock. Listen to The Vines, The Hives, The White Stripes etc, The Kooks et al sound nothing like them and they don't try to either.”
The Vines - garage rock? LOL.
You really need to understand what you're talking about.
Originally Posted by Kirkfnw:
“The Vines - garage rock? LOL. You really need to understand what you're talking about.”
“The Vines - garage rock? LOL.
You really need to understand what you're talking about.”
Clearly you have no idea what garage rock is and/or what The Vines sound like. They're textbook garage rock, as any and every source will tell you. Including themselves.
You're the one who needs to understand what you're talking about, as you've been proven wrong time and time again in this thread. You keep dropping band names and making claims about them when you haven't actually got the foggiest idea about their music, which you as much as admitted to earlier. The fact that the above quote is your reply to my detailed correcting of your previous post just says it all.
Originally Posted by Ezenden:
“Clearly you have no idea what garage rock is and/or what The Vines sound like.”
“Clearly you have no idea what garage rock is and/or what The Vines sound like.”
Don't make me laugh. The Vines were my favourite band in 2002 you silly chump.
They also call themselves Indie, Psychedelic Pop, Rock and several other genres on their Myspace, BEFORE Garage.
Have you even listened to Highly Evolved? The genres in that album go from grunge to indie to C&W weirdness.
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“You keep dropping band names and making claims about them when you haven't actually got the foggiest idea about their music, which you as much as admitted to earlier”
“You keep dropping band names and making claims about them when you haven't actually got the foggiest idea about their music, which you as much as admitted to earlier”
OK Mr Perfect, at least I admit making mistakes. Maybe you have some kind of... inferiority complex or something.
But can I please ask of you, to post something of worth next time you hit reply
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