"I NEED this job!" and other assorted nonsensical claims

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Muttley76

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Before I comment further - just what is the rumour?

That he misses his girlfriend?

I'm not being obtuse - I'm simply puzzled.

Alex isn't my favourite candidate of the series - I reserve that for Raef and Lucinda - but I cannot for the life of me understand how he's come to induce feelings of such extreme dislike.”

Spoiler

As to the latter, I think it's been covered in detail elsewhere, but I'll just add that as a candidate I don't like him for a range of reasons, that does not mean that I dislike him as a person.

Ignazio

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by TBB:
“Any job is a want, not a need. Everyone could have really low down jobs such as working in McDonalds or being a cleaner and still get by OK. Lucinda was honest about it.”

The controversy seems to hinge on Alex's use of the word this instead of a.

Seems to me it's being used as another stick to beat him with.

Muttley76

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“The controversy seems to hinge on Alex's use of the word this instead of a. ”

No, I don't think so...he made it very clear that he believed that he needed the job while Lucinda did not. His meaning was crystal clear.

Ignazio

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“

Spoiler

That he decided he doesn't want the job prior to the announcement of the winning team

As to the latter, I think it's been covered in detail elsewhere, but I'll just add that as a candidate I don't like him for a range of reasons, that does not mean that I dislike him as a person.”

The latter is fair comment - traits in others that we find irksome or annoying induce admiration from some observers - it wouldn't do for all of us to like the same thing or same person.

The-Apprentice

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Well I'm sure we can all speculate on what is meant by whom, when saying this, that or the other.

I take your point that failure would mean he needs a job, but does his use of this rather than a mean he is lying - surely that's a bit strong?

At the moment, like the other three finalists, he is in no man's land. At the end of the series he may have triumphed or failed miserably. If the former he could presumably ask his girlfriend to join him down south - but until the ultimate decision his life is clearly unsettled, so yes in that context I can understand him saying he 'needs' the job.

Does he need it any more than Lee, Claire or Helene? Does he need it any more than Lucinda? Clearly not - but each candidate will judge their needs according their circumstances - and I fail to see how that can be considered lying.”

Perhaps not a lie then, that is a strong word. He did however use this as a point why he should get the job over Lucinda.

I think he was wrong for doing so. Even more so if he does what the spoiler says.

vidalia

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“I take it you're not a school head, then?

By the way, do you mean other people's mistakes? ”

Yes, I did. Thank you for pointing that out.

Did you assume I meant you in my post? I was referring in fact to Alex pointing out to Sir Alan Sugar Lucinda's mistake in saying what she was thinking out loud.

brangdon

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by The-Apprentice:
“I run a business and if I look for an employee, I'm not interested in people who need in my organisation. Saying you need the job is a sign of desparation, and desparate people are not the sorts I want to employ.”

This isn't a usual employment, though. I see it more like a scholarship. The idea is to take someone who would otherwise be struggling for years and might never make it, and give them a fast track.

Lucinda doesn't need it because she's already self-employed and working for herself. In previous series Sir Alan was been even more scornful towards people who'd give that up to work for him than he was to her.

I think Lee needs it the most, and he may get it for that reason. Just as Tim needed it more than Saira and so got it in ep1.

(Obviously mere need is not enough; you also have to have the raw talent to deserve it, to be able to make the most of the opportunity. All 4 finalists have that, supposedly.)

Acashoonhay

08-06-2008

Alex has always been one of my favourite candidates from the start. Along with Lee, and I did originally like Simon as well until I realised that though he was a nice guy he wasn't very good at much at all.

I think the supporters of the other candidates have seen Alex as a serious threat from the start. Partly because of the things that SAS and his advisors have said to and about him over the course of the series and partly because so many of the eliminated candidates spoke up for him on TH, YF. So some supporters of other contestants (not all, clearly) have got more than a little defensive and picked up on the most insignificant thing that Alex may have said or done - and being able to fight your corner when at risk of taking the blame for something that is not your fault, speaking your mind and what others are thinking when others do not have the cojones to do so, knowing when to do so and when to keep your mouth shut, and refusing to put yourself in a vulnerable position when all the signs point to imminent disaster are admirable traits, not flaws.

Incidentally, your two favourites were always among my least favourites, sorry.

The-Apprentice

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by brangdon:
“This isn't a usual employment, though. I see it more like a scholarship. The idea is to take someone who would otherwise be struggling for years and might never make it, and give them a fast track.

Lucinda doesn't need it because she's already self-employed and working for herself. In previous series Sir Alan was been even more scornful towards people who'd give that up to work for him than he was to her.

I think Lee needs it the most, and he may get it for that reason. Just as Tim needed it more than Saira and so got it in ep1.

(Obviously mere need is not enough; you also have to have the raw talent to deserve it, to be able to make the most of the opportunity. All 4 finalists have that, supposedly.)”

I don't think the question of need should come into it at all.

I don't think the final 16 are selected on the basis of need and I genuinely don't believe Sir Alan chooses his apprentice on that basis.

Last year he would happily have employed Katie if he knew she would actually do the job and not see the programme as a stepping stone to a career on TV.

It isn't about who has the best sob story or who had the least income before coming on the show.

Need only comes into it in the sense that the person who needs it the most is more likely to actually stay in the job once hired.

peely

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by Sara Webb:
“This will be a short rant.

You know how this week the remaining candidates kept banging on about how they "need" to be Sir Alan's apprentice? Did anyone else find that utterly ridiculous, or is it just me?

None of those people NEED the job! If these fools had not had the opportunity to appear on The Apprentice, what would they have done? Miraculously gone and found themselves a position similar to the one Suralan is offering, immediately, because of their urgent ''need''? Rather unlikely.

The candidates would all be in their old jobs living their normal lives according to their normal standard of living. They may WANT the job with Suralan, but they don't 'need' it. They'd just have to work their way up the ladder like everyone else to get to where they want to be, so how they have the audacity to whine about 'need' is beyond me.

End of rant. What say ye?”

lol....if any of them want to talk about "need", including Lee and Helene, who didn't have as many advantages at the start of life as some of the others, I would tell them to go away and read "Oliver Twist". One of the most emotionally charged and horrific accounts of what "need" does to people.

soulmate61

08-06-2008

Originally Posted by Sara Webb:
“You know how this week the remaining candidates kept banging on about how they "need" to be Sir Alan's apprentice? Did anyone else find that utterly ridiculous, or is it just me?

None of those people NEED the job! If these fools had not had the opportunity to appear on The Apprentice, what would they have done? Miraculously gone and found themselves a position similar to the one Suralan is offering, immediately, because of their urgent ''need''? Rather unlikely.
”

Perhaps it's not the job they need, but confidence in themselves. They need approval and self-validation in competition with 13 other alleged high achievers -- in front of national TV.

The question is, were there 14 high achievers, or a bunch of desperate salesmen and saleswomen. The true high achievers are too busy working for themselves raking in £££. Unless they desperately need the job because they desperately need a boss who can swear like Sugar or Ramsay.

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