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Hi NM
Sorry for the RSI.. The wrist supports are on me ![]() Things are hunky dorey in the tanks YAY. The GT is ruling the roost but the silver shark and synodontis are showing themselves loads so I'm just gonna stick at the 3 unless i see large SS's at the weekend and I'll buy a couple of them. THIS one large enough? ![]() Quote:
The RC still has a bloody lump tail but I'll continue to use the melafix until it clears. He's due the water change on Saturday. Do I count Saturday as day 1 again with the water change on day 7 until it is cleared?
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I'm not adding any fish at the moment but I'll look at your suggestions when the time comes.
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The RC is so happy now in his new tank I feel awful he had to wait a few days til i figured something out. He has places to hide but doesn't. The danio and cory aren't fussed by him either. It will be nice to add a bit more colour when he's well enough. In saying that his colour has started to come out. He has that orangy chocolate look about him with the bluey tinge to his fins.
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Now for the shrimps and frogs. I put in some frozen blood worm last night and both frogs swam up to grab it which is a good sign. I didn't see any shrimps moving for it but that doesn't mean they haven't fed. They are very good at hiding in their tree!. Do you know if I have to use that ceramic media in the tank for the filteration to work? The blood worm is gonna fall down there where no one will get it and I don't want it polluting the tank. Will the biorb work without it?
![]() BiOrb Filtration : The sintered ceramic gravel acts as an undergravel filter. It's gonna want to suck all food and muck into the gravel. It's gonna get clogged up quite quickly anyway. I'd replace the gravel with sand. It won't impede the flow much (the frogs breathe air anyway and the shrimps have more than enough oxygen), on the plus side - the food won't disapear into the gravel and the shrimps will enjoy sifting through the mulm that collects on the sand surface. The BiOrb filter still has the foam cartridge for mechanical/biological filtration anyway. Quote:
Well. Now I have RSI. Pass the splints to me when you're finished with them LOL.
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In the words of Rabbie Burns
The best-laid schemes o mice an men Gang aft agley, The RC has battered my danio. He's no tail left and is bleeding ![]() He is now in the biorb and has perked up a bit. Next suggestion LOL. What can I put in with the RC that won't get hurt. Not even sure if I want to leave the cory in there. After picking up your previous post and spending the best part of 2 and a half hours replying to it, and after pressing submit I found this on the bottom of page 1. ![]() The RC might have got the hump from being bit himself. In the meantime the Danio's better off in the BiOrb. Probably best pit the Cory in there too. Mr Rainbow Cichlid may like a Mrs Rainbow for 'company'. ![]() When the Rc was with the GT, the GT as the king of the tank and the RC was second-in-command and was bitten, now the RC is king of the tank and he has bitten the now second-in-command (the Danio). He needs something peaceful but bigger or the same size as him for company I guess. He must have been very fast as Danios are rapid movers. ![]() Treat the BiOrb with Melafix as well. ![]() It never rains, it pours...... Let me know how things develop?
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Me again.
Well The biorb now has a very poorly danio, cory, 3 shrimps and 2 frogs in it. The bugger that is the RC has taken over the tank. He's ripped out all the plants and dug into the gravel LOL. AAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH. On the plus side the RC's lump is not so red but its still very much a lump. I've tried to take a photo but every time he sees me he hides. Its as if he knows he's done wrong. I'm gonna need something tough that can stand up for itself to go in the tank with him. Gourami's are out for sure. I'm not particularly keen on Silver sharks (!) but I'm getting more for the GT tank because he accepts that they aren't a threat to him. What on earth can I put in the RC tank. He's got it all to himself with uprooted plants and piles of gravel!!. Blooming fish. Who would have them. Think I'll stick to these. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ABCD0013-2.jpg Ann |
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Hi Ann, I googled a few things and was linked to a site I hadn't seen before http://www.thinkfish.co.uk - It has a Compatabilty Generator on it. I put Rainbows into it and got this list :
List of Compatible Fish for Rainbow Cichlid Fish Name Fish Code Clown Barb 0102 Golden Barb 0104 Longfin Barb 0105 Rosy Barb 0106 Ruby Barb 0107 Silver Shark 0108 Spanner Barb 0109 Striped Barb 0110 Tiger Barb 0111 Tinfoil Barb 0112 Ticto Barb 0113 Melon Barb 0114 African Banded Barb 0115 Filament Barb 0116 Denison's Barb 0117 Round Banded Barb 0118 Bristlenose Plec 0301 Clown Plec 0302 Spotted Hoplo 0303 Plec 0305 Shark Catfish 0306 Twig Catfish 0307 Otocinclus 0308 Zebra Plec 0309 Royal Panaque 0310 Striped Talking Catfish 0311 Pictus Catfish 0313 Bulldog Catfish 0314 Golden Nugget Plec 0316 All Corydoras 0502 Featherfin Catfish 0701 Cuckoo Synodontis 0702 Clown Squeaker 0703 Upside-Down Catfish 0704 Brichardi Catfish 0705 Black Widow Tetra 0902 Buenos Aires Tetra 0903 Congo Tetra 0905 Diamond Tetra 0906 Marbled Headstander 0910 Marbled Hatchetfish 0911 Penguin Tetra 0913 Serpae Tetra 0916 Silver Dollar 0917 Lemon Tetra 0919 Red Eye Tetra 0920 Black Neon 0921 Rummy Nose Tetra 0922 Silver Tip Tetra 0923 Bleeding Heart Tetra 0924 Emperor Tetra 0925 African Red Eye 0926 Head & Tail Light Tetra 0927 X-ray Tetra 0928 Common Hatchetfish 0929 Banded Leporinus 0930 Columbian Red Fin 0931 Long Nose Distichodus 0932 Silver prochilodus 0933 Blind Cave Tetra 0935 Angelfish 1101 Convict Cichlid 1102 Discus 1103 Festive Cichlid 1104 Firemouth Cichlid 1105 Green Severum 1106 Jewel Cichlid 1108 Orange Chromide 1109 Uaru 1112 T-Bar / Sajica Cichlid 1113 Keyhole Cichlid 1114 Yellow Belly Cichlid 1115 Green Terror 1116 Pearl Cichlid 1117 African Blockhead 1118 Frontosa 1119 Blue Acara 1120 Macmaster's Dwarf Cichlid 1301 Agassiz's Dwarf Cichlid 1302 Kribensis 1303 Ram 1304 Cockatoo Dwarf Cichlid 1305 Borelli's Dwarf Cichlid 1306 Flag Cichlid 1307 Caete Dwarf Cichlid 1308 Panda Dwarf Cichlid 1309 Steindachner's Dwarf Cichlid 1310 Bolivian Ram 1311 Checkerboard Cichlid 1312 Three Spot Gourami 1701 Banded Gourami 1702 Mottled Ctenopoma 1705 Pearl Gourami 1707 Snakeskin Gourami 1710 Moonlight Gourami 1711 Kissing Gourami 1712 Croaking Gourami 1713 Black Molly 1901 Platy 1903 Swordtail (Female) 1904 Swordtail (Male) 1904 Sailfin Molly 1905 Butterfly Goodeid 1906 Zebra Loach 2101 Clown Loach 2102 Siamese Flying Fox 2103 Pakistani Loach 2105 Red Tailed Black Shark 2106 Ruby Shark 2107 Sucking Loach 2108 Twin Banded Loach 2109 Chain Loach 2110 Flying Fox 2111 Hillstream Loach 2112 Redtail Botia 2113 Horseface Loach 2114 Banded Archerfish 2301 Glass Catfish 2302 Mono 2303 Scat 2305 Halfbeak 2307 Green Pufferfish 2308 Black Ghost Knifefish 2309 Clown Knifefish 2310 Golden panchax 2314 Knight Goby 2318 Peacock Goby 2319 Boeseman's Rainbowfish 2501 Lake Tebera Rainbowfish 2502 Lake Kutubu Rainbowfish 2503 Red Rainbowfish 2504 Dwarf Rainbowfish 2505 Madagascan Rainbowfish 2506 Banded Rainbowfish 2507 Celebes Rainbow 2509 Scissor-Tail 2703 White Cloud Mountain Minnow 2705 Giant Danio 2706 Pearl Danio 2707 Brilliant Rasbora 2708 Japonica Shrimp 2901 Apple Snail 2902 ![]() It seems very comprehensive.
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Though I would put more trust in this place : www.cichlidchick.com/pages/tank_mates/
![]() Briefly It says of Rainbow's : Angelfish Severum (Gold, Striped) Discus Ram Bearing in mind this is a Cichlid only site. Interested?
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Crikey that first list is extremely long and i'm dubious about some of the fish in it. Mollys????? Apart from water conditions there's no way one of them would survive. I've decided on a dwarf cichlid although I'm not sure which one. Seen agassizii in my local shop so may look into that. I've never had any luck with rams for some reason but a pair of them would soon sort of Mr High and Might RC.
Yes that is my Biorb LOL. Bog roll .. well that's HIS side of the bed LOL. Just about to do my part water changes and check on the danio. By the way i giggled for ages the other day there when I read that really long reply to my post , then you're next post when you realised I'd posted again and everything had went tits up. Two and a half hours LOLOLOL. Sorry Thanks for all your help. Its nice that you take time for this. Ann ps Nice photos LOL. My cats often "help" |
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Was just about to euthanise the danio when it got all excited and thought I was feeding it. He's got a reprieve - for now.
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Hello Again,
Poor Danio. ![]() I would leave him be, let the Melafix soothe his injuries while he tries to heal himself. If he has the will, he'll pull through if given peace and food. ![]() I had 3 Cardinals that came with a tank I bought. One of them had this long curly white worm thingy growing all over it's tail (I hadn't seen anything like it before), so I decided to 'operate' - I used a sharp knife and cut it off of it's tail - (not easy considering the poor Cardinal was only 1" long, and it's tail must have been only about 3mm) - Anyway, he pulled through fine. About a year later one of his eyes swelled up to about 3 times normal size like a clear balloon and it had another one of those bloody worms inside his eyeball - I couldn't cut that one out, but he was feeding and swimming normally so I left him alone. It turned out that the worm thingy then disappeared and he was fine. ![]() Then I set up a new planted tank and bought a school of Cardinals for it - introduced them to the new tank and I thought he & the other 2 would be a lot happier with the new school than on their own, so I put them all together. Next day It turns out the bloody new Cardinals (bought from Pets At Home btw) had brought B*stard white Spot with them - a particularly virulent strain of White Spot - and killed the lot, including my poor 'Survivor'. ![]() Then the 'PAH' white Spot went on to kill about 30-40 Cardinals, Killifish and platys. ![]() Spare the little fella, .....then (when he's well enough), buy him some other Danio mates to swim with, he'll be very happy.
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Well Danny the danio died this morning
He had a good meal last night but he never really got over the beating from the thug RC.I have tried as hard as I can to get a photo of the RC but the wee bugger is scared of me LOL. I captured it on digicam though so here is a link to a clip on youtube. I'm continuing with the melafix but its not helping. Its getting bigger. Cancer of the tail? I wish I had your bravery and could chop the end off but i know I can't. Its not so red now though I must add. its just a horrible grey/pink lump. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNpvKNd2qtE |
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I have come to the conclusion that I am pished as i misread the thread as "any experienced child keepers here".
I wish you well for your quest for answers and apologise for the off topic tangent. I really should try a stint at being tee total |
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I have come to the conclusion that I am pished as i misread the thread as "any experienced child keepers here".
I wish you well for your quest for answers and apologise for the off topic tangent. I really should try a stint at being tee total ![]() I hope it recovers - we kept fish and they were such a worry (much like a child) |
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Thats really interesting and thanks for that. What do you think? Its been more than 4 weeks. I'm definitely not adding fish so in effect he's in isolation. He isn't hiding any more and in fact is attacking the glass if I walk in front of it (He hates me with a passion). I'm still using melafix and doing water changes. Do you think this lesion will burst? Shall I give another water change as soon as I notice that happening? Will he always have to be kept alone if he does indeed survive this? Its interesting that no deaths are linked to the lesions. It doesn't seem to be having any adverse effect on him either. He's displaying his colours beautifully to the GT who is in the adjacent tank. I reckon he must have got his tail nipped, stressed then the lesion came out. Its still growing as well. Crikey what a thing to get. Sorry for the ramble NM. Hope everything is ok down your end? Ann |
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I'm surprised it took so long for somebody to misread it because I do it all the time LOL.
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Thats really interesting and thanks for that.
What do you think? Its been more than 4 weeks. I'm definitely not adding fish so in effect he's in isolation. He isn't hiding any more and in fact is attacking the glass if I walk in front of it (He hates me with a passion). I'm still using melafix and doing water changes. Do you think this lesion will burst? Shall I give another water change as soon as I notice that happening? Will he always have to be kept alone if he does indeed survive this? Its interesting that no deaths are linked to the lesions. It doesn't seem to be having any adverse effect on him either. He's displaying his colours beautifully to the GT who is in the adjacent tank. I reckon he must have got his tail nipped, stressed then the lesion came out. Its still growing as well. Crikey what a thing to get. Sorry for the ramble NM. Hope everything is ok down your end? Ann I do think you should do a hefty water change and rinse out the filter media in the old water to try to reduce any excess Nitrates/Ammonia that might be present. I reckon that after the lump has bust and run it's course, a good tank cleanout and a couple of weeks of rest for the tank I don't see why you couldn't add any other fish to the tank as you're probably right, in that, the stress that the RC was getting from the GT and the resulting injury was the ideal breeding ground for the Lymp to take hold. Short of cutting the bloody thing off off the tail, I think it will just have to run it's course. I as going to say - try adding salt - but I can't find anyone advising anything to to with salt and lumps. Have a look Here and also Here. To finish, I'd keep the tank, filter and gravel as clean as possible and leave it be. The RC seems happy and otherwise healthy - see what happens.... ![]() ![]() Btw, I'm fine (I think), considering the chopping about that my poor belly's had. thanks for asking.
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Hello NM. Glad your up to typing replies
I want to ask more about whats happened cos i'm into gruesome things but you might think I'm nosey ![]() That information you've given me has been great. I've spoken to my local shop, Aquatic Rooms in Edinburgh, and for Lymphacystis they've recommended ................. http://www.atlantisaquatics.co.uk/ac...ixpimafix.html They're also gonna look at my youtube clip to confirm your diagnosis. I can use this stuff with Melafix and they've also said the main thing is to keep my water just right. I've done all that and it gets a very varied diet so hopefully in the next few weeks he'll be all better and i will owe you many virtual pints by then. It looks gross but its not gonna kill him thankfully and they also said it was more than liely caused by the stress of living with the GT and having his fins nipped. I'll post more at the weekend when I get the stuff. You've been great and very patient. Thanks a million Ann |
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Oh and I have to add that Mr M W OBWOOKE thought we were speaking double dutch and its far too complicated LOL. If you see him in the passing ask him about the rabbit
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Yay! Pimafix. I always have a bottle as it's always recommended as a compliment to Melafix, again it's a natural remedy - Primafix is an extract of 'West Indian Bay Tree oil'.
They both smell really nice, like Aromatherapy oils... ![]() In the wild, when a fish is sick, it will wander off and chomp on the leaves of these trees to 'self heal' themselves naturally. I'm glad that we seem to agree on the stress angle of it. Have you seen This YouTube of breeding Rainbows. ![]() I enjoy dealing with this stuff, much more than putting up with whingeing public that can't (or don't want to) afford their 'Luxury Ultimate Driving Machines'. ![]()
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Oh and I have to add that Mr M W OBWOOKE thought we were speaking double dutch and its far too complicated LOL. If you see him in the passing ask him about the rabbit
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They both smell really nice, like Aromatherapy oils... ![]() ![]() |
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Yay! Pimafix. I always have a bottle as it's always recommended as a compliment to Melafix, again it's a natural remedy - Primafix is an extract of 'West Indian Bay Tree oil'.
They both smell really nice, like Aromatherapy oils... ![]() In the wild, when a fish is sick, it will wander off and chomp on the leaves of these trees to 'self heal' themselves naturally. I'm glad that we seem to agree on the stress angle of it. Have you seen This YouTube of breeding Rainbows. ![]() I enjoy dealing with this stuff, much more than putting up with whingeing public that can't (or don't want to) afford their 'Luxury Ultimate Driving Machines'. ![]() ![]() Have you looked at youtube for Malawis? They're still my favourite. I used to keep Jack Dempseys but they got hole in the head. We travelled to Stirling University in 1981 to see if they could cure it but alas they couldn't. i see there is now remedies for it available. Changed days. I remember that if you had a sick fish you would put methylene blue in the tank and have a blue tank for a few days LOL. God do they even sell that now? Is your Ultimate Driving Machine a German car by any chance? I used to have a thing for red ones years ago if its what i'm thinking of LOL. Now? A Granada cosworth built in Germany does me
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Those RC are lovely in that clip arent they? I may be on the look out eventually for another one and just keep them together in their own 2' tank. My present RC still has his cauliflower stuck to his fin but its looking greyer now.
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Have you looked at youtube for Malawis? They're still my favourite. I used to keep Jack Dempseys but they got hole in the head. We travelled to Stirling University in 1981 to see if they could cure it but alas they couldn't. i see there is now remedies for it available. Changed days. I remember that if you had a sick fish you would put methylene blue in the tank and have a blue tank for a few days LOL. God do they even sell that now?
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Is your Ultimate Driving Machine a German car by any chance? I used to have a thing for red ones years ago if its what i'm thinking of LOL. Now? A Granada cosworth built in Germany does me
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I need more ideas NM.
![]() The RC now has a sticking out gill and it looks like its being forced open by something behind it. It wont let me look and I don't want to interfere too much. Its red lump on its tail is just the same and still red and looks sore ![]() I've been using the meds and part water changes have been done regularly. I've turned the temperature up to 81 degrees to see if that helps pick him up (It was at 78) Hope you are feeling better BTW
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It don't look good NM. Its eating well now though and its far more lively since I increased the temp. just off to the shop now armed with these photos to see what it can be and what can be done.
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