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Helene and Lucinda on You're Fired
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Vivid
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by 2LO:
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I, and a few other posters, OTOH, take a more balanced view and are prepared to admit that she does have faults, one of which only surfaced this evening.”



No you are a lucinda obsessive who doesn't quite have the cheek to dispute incontrovertible evidence, but will dispute evidence which is merely concrete and irrefutable.
The Spoon
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“I thought Lucinda came across as vindictive and the way she tried to include Raef was just like when she droped Helene in it in the Jenny Mc incident

She showed her true colours, I am so glad she lost

Well done Raef for not playing her game”


just because she didn't play a false, "we're all bezza mates now" game, doesn't mean she was being unfair.

Helene was the one to blame - nobody needed to remind us, but Helene is so BS orientated... Helene was just not up to it, despite "surviving in a corporate environment", whereas Lucinda is likely to be a success.
GratingCheese
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by 2LO:
“He just kept out of it.

From that you cannot infer anything either way.”

Based on some posts in here, it looks like there was video footage of Helene taking the training. I think my earlier post stands.
2LO
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by GratingCheese:
“Based on some posts in here, it looks like there was video footage of Helene taking the training. I think my earlier post stands.”

There is merely highly edited footage of Helene present at a second or two of the training.

Nothing of import caqn be infered from that.
Vivid
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by The Spoon:
“just because she didn't play a false, "we're all bezza mates now" game, doesn't mean she was being unfair.

Helene was the one to blame - nobody needed to remind us, but Helene is so BS orientated... Helene was just not up to it, despite "surviving in a corporate environment", whereas Lucinda is likely to be a success.”

Helene did not suggest that they were best mates, again you are allowing your illogical bias to completely invalidate your comments.

Helene behaved in an adult and measured manner and Lucinda did not, and of course in the task Lucinda was simply appallingly inept.
GratingCheese
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by 2LO:
“There is merely highly edited footage of Helene present at a second or two of the training.

Nothing of import caqn be infered from that.”

Then it might also be agreed that Lucinda and Raef only merely had seconds of the training.
Vivid
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by The Spoon:
“Back again Vivid?

I don't think you explored the points I raised when we last shared a thread...”

Try checking, I answered your points today in the thread.
Muttley76
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by GratingCheese:
“Based on some posts in here, it looks like there was video footage of Helene taking the training. I think my earlier post stands.”

One person is claiming they saw footage. Several have said they did not see any significant footage, including myself, who only watched the episode the other day from start to finish.

I have no axe to grind here. I like Lucinda, even if I disagreed in part with how she reacted tonight. Because of that I'm going to leave it at that.
cressida100
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by Scissor*Sister:
“I don't know how to judge it really. Lucinda did come across as bitter but when Helene was basically saying that they get on now when they don't and bringing up how Lucinda told her "personal things" she hadn't told other candidates, Lucinda had a right to defend herself. She must have really took some of the treatment she recieved to heart. I mean, we don't know all that went on. I know that if i'd been treated badly by someone I would find it very hard to just forgive and forget.

But she did it in a way that she didn't come across well. I certainly wouldn't have acted in the way she did. It's a great shame since she's came across so well in all the interviews i've seen with her over the last week due to her firing.”


I am sure that Helene only mentioned knowing about Lucinda's personal stuff after Lucinda had tried to drag Raef into the argument
cressida100
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by brightlights:
“i thought she was pissed off that Helene referred to things Lucinda had told her confidentially.

I know it's not like she repeated what the confidences WERE, but saying "I know secrets about you!" on TV would have rubbed me up the wrong way too.”

Lucinda re-acted badly BEFORE Helene mentioned that she had told her confidential things. I was a fan of Lucinda BTW.
Freddy_Lives
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by 2LO:
“I thgink it is fairly clear that if anyone on this forum is obsessed with anyone on TA it is you with Lucinda.

It is absolutely clear that you have some serious issues.

Perhaps we really should ignore your pathetic trolling.”

I really wish the ignore poster option was enabled on these boards. Vivid just strikes me as someone who just has to have the last word on everything.
cressida100
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by 2LO:
“As someone who has spent as much time as anyone defending Lucind on these threads I felt extremely let down by her behaviour on tonight's 'after' programme.

ONE interuption from the floor might have been easily forgiven but she went way too far.

Raef's refusal to take sides was correct and shrewd. He had about a second to decide what to do and he realised that he could very easily have been misrepresented if he'd started to speak and then had the camera moved. Nothing to do with being a gentleman but a lot to do with being media savvy - and kudos to him for that.”

It was such a shame, I have always been a fan of Lucinda's but was disappointed in her tonight. Maybe they had been drinking beforehand!
Vivid
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by cressida100:
“I am sure that Helene only mentioned knowing about Lucinda's personal stuff after Lucinda had tried to drag Raef into the argument”

Helene was rightly making the point that Lucinda must have held her in high regard if Lucinda confided in her. It was a perfectly reasonable point.
GratingCheese
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by Freddy_Lives:
“I really wish the ignore poster option was enabled on these boards. Vivid just strikes me as someone who just has to have the last word on everything.”

Thing is, if you ignore them, they can't have the last word as they aren't involved in the debate so I just wish people would refrain from taking their bate.
Chilli Dragon
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“Indeed, Helene was rightly making the point that Lucinda must have held her in high regard if Lucinda confided in her. It was a perfectly reasonable point.”

Or, it might have been a lie like her other lies? Who knows?

And, let's be frank, who cares?
vesuvius79
12-06-2008
I thought Lucinda looked uncomfortable throughout the programme, which is only understandable considering what had happened. She felt it was necessary to rebut Helene with whom she had shared a room and had a very difficult time.

She maybe did not come over as well as she would have liked, but there must be a great deal we don't know about, most of which will stay private. This was her last chance to correct some misconceptions, even if she did it without her usual grace and charm.
2LO
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“You have repeatedly demonstrated a preference for wishful thinking over the facts because of your bias. I have never seen someone so wilfully blind themselves to incontrovertible evidence.”

Again, a post with no substance.

A mere ad hominem perpetrated by someone with an obsessive hatred for one woman who cannot provide logical argument but has, instead, to rely on vague and unsubstantiated attacks on other posters.
sjc2007
12-06-2008
My jaw actually dropped when Lucinda started speaking spitefully to Helene.

Very unexpected, especially as it was the end of the series - forgive and forget love.
Vivid
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by 2LO:
“Again, a post with no substance.

A mere ad hominem perpetrated by someone with an obsessive hatred for one woman who cannot provide logical argument but has, instead, to rely on vague and unsubstantiated attacks on other posters.”

I do not hate Lucinda, I think she is very annoying and childish! She just needs to grow up!

I regularly cite evidence in my comments about Lucinda.
GratingCheese
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by sjc2007:
“My jaw actually dropped when Lucinda started speaking spitefully to Helene.

Very unexpected, especially as it was the end of the series - forgive and forget love.”

It was a final chance to settle a score - Helene was most likely portraying their relashionship in a dishonest light.
jabegy
12-06-2008
I watched it with my son, and we both laughed out loud when Lucinda said what she did. Good for her !, alright, she might have done it a bit more cleverly, but to be honest, it was a genuine and instantaneous response to someone who had treated her abominably, and was an out and out liar. Helene might have tried to come across as all sweetness and light in the Your Fired programme, but she was in front of an audience, what else could she do. She didn't fool me.

Pity they didn't show the clip of her calling all the other contestants a bunch of gobshites !
FeliciaM
12-06-2008
She is very immature and showed herself up here.Helene wasn't that horrible to her-in any event lucinda certainlygave as good as she got-and this may have been the moment the mask slipped
GratingCheese
12-06-2008
Originally Posted by FeliciaM:
“She is very immature and showed herself up here.Helene wasn't that horrible to her-in any event lucinda certainlygave as good as she got-and this may have been the moment the mask slipped”

I never had any doubt that Lucinda could give as good as she gets and good on her for doing so. Helene quite clearly from this final task is a very miserable, negative and draining person. She slagged off many candidates to the cameras - she called Lucinda evil so I have no doubt she did the same to Jenny M. Helene got what she deserved and the sickeningly positive spin on her and Lucinda's relationship for the audience was rightly shattered.
artgirl73
12-06-2008
Whatever the truth about the training, I think Lucinda made a PR blunder in coming across as bearing a grudge - she must know from these forums that she has the upper hand, and should have been gracious and left it that way IMHO.
Scissor*Sister
12-06-2008
Well, perhaps if that really was her posting on the forums then she'll have a chance to explain her actions.
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