The early programmes are completely spoiled for me by the all boy and girl teams. For one thing it is incredibly dull, but more importantly it is a breeding ground for bitching especially in the girl team, which sows seeds of discontent which fester for the rest of the series.
No more boys v girls?
I wouldn't say that this part is dull, as we are just getting to know the candidates anyway, but I would agree that a lot of the fights and bickering during this early stage form the candidates' opinions of each other for later stages.
I do enjoy it more once the teams are mixed and it's good to see candidates working with different teammates.
I do enjoy it more once the teams are mixed and it's good to see candidates working with different teammates.
I agree with the OP, why not just mix them up from the start, I don't see what is being acheived other than gender bragging rights.
Originally Posted by DigiPal:
“The US version has mixed things up
One series was "book smart" versus "street smart"”
“The US version has mixed things up
One series was "book smart" versus "street smart"”
That killed the show for me. As SAS said , there was too much fiddling and the original concept was lost. I'd rather they stay boy v girl rather than that because then it'll further degenerate into a BB style panto show , well , more than it is now anyway.
Originally Posted by Ansildrall:
“That killed the show for me. As SAS said , there was too much fiddling and the original concept was lost. I'd rather they stay boy v girl rather than that because then it'll further degenerate into a BB style pant show , well , more than it is now anyway.”
“That killed the show for me. As SAS said , there was too much fiddling and the original concept was lost. I'd rather they stay boy v girl rather than that because then it'll further degenerate into a BB style pant show , well , more than it is now anyway.”
I agree..I hated the whole 'book smart' 'street smart' thing because it actually created a class divide that didn't really break down even when the teams started to get mixed up....
It probably goes to explaining why the viewing figures for the Apprentice in the US have nose-dived so much.
Originally Posted by Ansildrall:
“That killed the show for me. As SAS said , there was too much fiddling and the original concept was lost. I'd rather they stay boy v girl rather than that because then it'll further degenerate into a BB style panto show , well , more than it is now anyway.”
“That killed the show for me. As SAS said , there was too much fiddling and the original concept was lost. I'd rather they stay boy v girl rather than that because then it'll further degenerate into a BB style panto show , well , more than it is now anyway.”
That almost happened during the first episode when Alex split them into 2 groups.
Originally Posted by The-Apprentice:
“That almost happened during the first episode when Alex split them into 2 groups.”
“That almost happened during the first episode when Alex split them into 2 groups.”
And what a disaster that was!
I think having boys vs girls probably helps me remember all their names a lot quicker. I don't know why but it just does. 
Too many people want to change the show for changes sake.
It has a good format ... boys v gals at first then mix up.
It has a good format ... boys v gals at first then mix up.
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“Too many people want to change the show for changes sake.
It has a good format ... boys v gals at first then mix up.”
“Too many people want to change the show for changes sake.
It has a good format ... boys v gals at first then mix up.”
It does make sense for the first task, as the numbers are equal.
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“Too many people want to change the show for changes sake.”
“Too many people want to change the show for changes sake.”
Agreed, and dare I say it, but that is were Big Brother started to go wrong: messing with a successful formula to try and show how clever they were....
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“Agreed, and dare I say it, but that is were Big Brother started to go wrong: messing with a successful formula to try and show how clever they were....”
“Agreed, and dare I say it, but that is were Big Brother started to go wrong: messing with a successful formula to try and show how clever they were....”
Its the same in the USA - they changed it, and the ratings dived!!
Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_App...._TV_series%29
Originally Posted by jjackson42:
“Its the same in the USA - they changed it, and the ratings dived!!
Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_App...._TV_series%29”
“Its the same in the USA - they changed it, and the ratings dived!!
Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_App...._TV_series%29”
Yes, I see what you mean, from 28.05 million viewers series 1 to 7.94 series 6..even the celeb version only had 12.1 million viewers. Course that all sounds like a lot, but in the context of the size of the US audience, 7.94 million is pretty poor.
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“Yes, I see what you mean, from 28.05 million viewers series 1 to 7.94 series 6..even the celeb version only had 12.1 million viewers. Course that all sounds like a lot, but in the context of the size of the US audience, 7.94 million is pretty poor.”
“Yes, I see what you mean, from 28.05 million viewers series 1 to 7.94 series 6..even the celeb version only had 12.1 million viewers. Course that all sounds like a lot, but in the context of the size of the US audience, 7.94 million is pretty poor.”
Derisory!! The UK final had more (9.7 mil) in absolute terms, from an audience 20% or so the size.
Originally Posted by Ansildrall:
“That killed the show for me. As SAS said , there was too much fiddling and the original concept was lost. I'd rather they stay boy v girl rather than that because then it'll further degenerate into a BB style panto show , well , more than it is now anyway.”
“That killed the show for me. As SAS said , there was too much fiddling and the original concept was lost. I'd rather they stay boy v girl rather than that because then it'll further degenerate into a BB style panto show , well , more than it is now anyway.”
I don't agree. I think girl versus boy is equally BB/panto, if not more so. (BB actually did an all-girl start one year.)
For me the problem with the US Apprentice was Trump. In s3 he almost always fired whoever the candidates themselves decided to gang up against, which was almost always the leader of the losing team. Being leader became such a poisoned chalice that they had to offer immunity in the following task to get people to take it on, and even then they were reluctant.
