Here is a healthy debate for this forum:

In the past there have been the contraversial losers who are very outspoken. Who get jobs in the media, TV, radio, newspaper columns etc.
Katie Hopkins, a hateable character went on to earn £1 million in a year, whereas winner Simon Ambrose put in hard work to earn that £100,000 sought after.
There are other instances, but this is the most obvious

Bare in mind that the winner will be putting in 9 to 5 hard working days at work, this years winner Lee Mcqueen is working in Amshold on a new project. And others will go on to get plenty of media offers, job offers and other great deals.

In my mind i would rather earn £100,000 the realxing, losers way, than having to put 9 to 5 every day of the year in, like the winners

A)money: they earn more, much easier, e.g. katie hopkins earnt £1million in a year whereas winner only earns 100,000 a year

B)work: saira khan (another non winner) did work that was fun and enjoyable on TV and other things in TV Presenting. Also tre azam who is clearly enjoying his Saturday afternoon show on LBC 97.3 fm

So the question is:
Are the losers better off than the winners in a) money b) work

I think it's an over-used phrase in reality TV that the 'real' winner is someone other then the actually winner, but in the case of the Apprentice I definitely think it can be true, although a lot depends upon how you define 'winning'.

For example, Simon will always be more of a winner than Alex for me, even though Alex is likely to earn more off the back of the show, becaue Simon will be remembered fondly while Alex will be remembered as being a weasle (and 24!).

Katie Hopkins made her money through being hated and by having her dirty laundry aired in public. I would rather in Simon's position, and I really pity her children.

I think this may be the reason SAS picks the slightly less obvious candidate.

For example, when he had to choose between RUth and Michelle, he knew that Ruth would suceed without having to be a part of his organisation.

Equally, on You're Hired, he said he had no worries about Claire and knew that she would be fine.

^ I think this is part of the beauty of the apprentice. If Lee submitted his CV to work for SAS, it would have been thrown in the bin. He proved through the tasks that he is extremely capable and he delivered consistently throughout the show.

^ Agreed!
Although they only have to mess up once to be out, like Raef! I think he could have gonr on alot further, but he made a mistake on the tissue task!

Hmmm...some candidates messed up a hell of a lot more than once, and even SAS said he should have fired Michael rather than Raef that week in retrospect. But then given that Raef is likely to be the biggest winner out of this series I don't suppose it matters that much in the long run......

Speaking of Raef, the buzz seems to be that Raef puts in a rather impressive performance on 8 out of 10 Cats tonight!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hopkins

This Apprentice is truly a circus of the grotesque. Sugar actually thought highly of Hopkins. The same Sugar who liked Michael. It is the fascination of death.

Well I think there are several things to consider.

First of, although Katie earned that £1 million in one year, her earning this year will most likely not even top £100,000 (what has she done this year except for The Weakest Link?) and I'd say by the year after that she'll probably be lucky to make even £50,000 from media work.

Those jobs that people like Tre and Saira have don't pay as well as you would think. Tre doesn't exactly have much of a media career unless you'd call 3 hours every week on a London radio station a media career. Anywho, I'm not sure exactly how well radio presenters get paid but LBC has around 800,000 listeners per week. It's not that big.

Simon, however will continuously be earning upwards of £100,000. The experince that he'll be getting working for Sir Alan is invaluable and he will be making much, much more than £100,000 in the future. Tim Campbell, has now also set up his own male grooming business. He'll probably do quite well out it, I think.

Just my opinion.

IMO, Claire was the better contestant in so many more ways than Lee and would have made Alan much more money. I am sure Lee will do ok though, but would advise him against becoming a caricature of himself.

Thas wat im talkin bout
*cringe*

The best example of a loser who has gone on to success is Raj Dhonota fired in week 9 in series one. When the first series went to air he was bankrupt at 30. Now he is a millionaire. An outsourcing firm he set up, Global Proximity, has been sold for a seven-figure sum.

However the question is whether being on the Apprentice lead to his success or whether it happened anyway. Doubt it in this case.

I saw Saira in just one TV prog on Pakistan, and it was one prog too many for me. It was painful, as painful it was to watch Saira on The Apprentice.

Certainly Saira, Ruth and Kristina have all done very well. I don't know if it's a particular advantage not to win, but it's no great disadvantage.

The ones I wonder about some times are the ones who were made to look utterly inept. It's hard for instance to see the job offers flooding in for Ian. Same with, for example, Nargis or Alexa from series 2.

This is where the debate steps on

> Katie earnt that £1 million in that one year, regardless of what she did this year, she has earnt Simons pay for 10 years in 1 year in a way requiring little work

>Tre, not only does he have his previous job which is well paid (the one where he works from home by himself) but he has the time to do media work and further his career there. I know that LBC is not the best paying radio station but it is a lead up to much better things.

>Lastly Simon, yes he will gain the experience and he iwll be earning a constant £100,000 a year, but the hard way (i'm not saying hard work is not good but it is least desirable when in need of money). Looking at others they have earnt money quicker, easier by not having the constraint/pressure of working for Sir alan. See below for another example


Ah, never knew about this one, the experience definitly lead him to better things.

not only do I agree with this, but I actually think most of them DONT want to win it, they see it as a springboard to media jobs, just like many in other RTV shows. Take Lucinda for example. I think she quite deliberately said what she said outside the interviews. Also look at Katie last year. Do we really think it suddenly dawned on her that she didnt want to uproot her faily? Of course not. She was starting to get worried that she might win it. Thats why she suddenly remembered her kids

True, but you seem to think that Simon will be earning exclusively £100,000 for the next few years. He'll get pay rises, he'll get more experince and eventually (just like Tim) he'll be able to start his own business and make a lot more than £100,000 a year.

Even if he is kept on by Sugar after his year is up, his salary will probably be industry standard for the job he does which will be less than £100K (Tim took a drop in salary in his second year). Even if he starts his own business it could take a while to build it up and he would probably be lucky to break even for the first few years.

Tim didn't get a pay rise after his first year. In fact, he was given a lower salary after his first year. I suspect that Simon will be lucky to get the same salary after his first year.

Sara has started her own business before Tim and she is already successful according to Nick and Maragaret. I don't say that the experience is unnecessary but If you want to get it, you will and not necessarily by working with SAS.

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Working for Alan Sugar isn't such a great prize. He looks like he'd be a horrible boss.

To be honest you probably won't get to see him all that often. He delegates.

Do you mean Saira?

By the what what has happened to Sara? Gone back to her dad's business?

By all accounts - he is supposed to be an excellent boss, certainly at senior levels. According to Margaret Mountford he hates firing anyone, and most of his staff have worked for him for years.

Apparently, she's gone into the beauty/cosmetics market:

www.saradhada.com

Don't forget about all of the other lossers - they have largely just gone back into thin air, and I bet they found it quite hard to find Job after