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Apprentice Debate: Losers Better off than winners
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pogo ogo
22-06-2008
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Not to worry Pogo, Raef does not bear a grudge. He even had a laugh with Michael after Michael turned on him to save himself.

Mind you, it helps to have a millionpound business supplying matching hankies to fall back on. Does he have his suits made in Savile row and shirts made in Jermyn Street? Now that would really put a strain on 100K a year. ”

Yes, indeed. His matching hanky business will flourish, especially due to our endorsement on DS. The money will begin to flow out of his pockets on his next television appearance - watch out for that one! Raef was the real winner from this year - financially and in terms of respect. We've all gotta love him.
crsin
25-06-2008
Originally Posted by **Nora**:
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As for exaggerating in CVs, I suspect all the candidates were very creative in their CVs. Otherwise, how did they get in the show in the first place?!! They might have exaggerated their achievements, personal experiences, parts that can't be checked. Alex's CV was a great example. How can you check if someone has "advanced" skills in YYY in an interview?!!How can you check if Claire was personally responsible for millions of profit?!!

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I don't think you can tar everyone with the same brush. Just because some applicants may have lied on their CV, does that mean all the others have lied too?

One of them had a massive chin, does that mean they all did?
One of them cried, does that mean they're all cry babies?
One of them was a male prostitue, does that mean...
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**Nora**
25-06-2008
Originally Posted by crsin:
“I don't think you can tar everyone with the same brush. Just because some applicants may have lied on their CV, does that mean all the others have lied too?

One of them had a massive chin, does that mean they all did?
One of them cried, does that mean they're all cry babies?
One of them was a male prostitue, does that mean...
??”

I didn't say they all lied!!!!!!! I said they most probably have exaggerated in their achievements one way or another to get in the show and I gave examples like Ruth's claim of being personally responsible for millions of pounds profit in her previous company, Alex's claim of having ADVANCED skills in almost every thing, Mani's claim of being a world class presenter, Jenny M being the best sales woman in Europe, Ian being a winner always, etc.

Some have even admitted that they lied before in their CV's. Ruth admitted that she lied on her CV to get her first job and as did Ansell.
soulmate61
25-06-2008
Originally Posted by **Nora**:
“I didn't say they all lied!!!!!!! I said they most probably have exaggerated in their achievements one way or another to get in the show and I gave examples like Ruth's claim of being personally responsible for millions of pounds profit in her previous company, Alex's claim of having ADVANCED skills in almost every thing, Mani's claim of being a world class presenter, Jenny M being the best sales woman in Europe, Ian being a winner always, etc.

Some have even admitted that they lied before in their CV's. Ruth admitted that she lied on her CV to get her first job and as did Ansell.”

Michael claimed in his CV he was "a good Jewish boy". To gentile viewers this was an insignificant porkie, but to others it would have been offensive even at the time, let alone after subsequent tabloid admissions.

Ruth's and Claire's claims were simply laughed out of court by the interviewers who presented no evidence to debunk them.

Lee with his dominant physique presented a more tempting target. He was first offered a chance by the interviewer to dig the hole deeper, then he was questioned like a defendant by a prosecutor -- one who elected to keep silent about Lee's conflicting admission in the selfsame CV stating Lee did not complete the 2-year course.

All the porkie tellers will have looked bad in a full frontal trial. Michael got away with it because of his youth, his sheepish kow-towing, and the fact that SAS's firepower was drawn away when opportunist Jenny C decided to gang up on Michael.

Those who live in glass houses..........
pogo ogo
27-06-2008
I do feel empathy towards Lee and his behaviour. He was just very insecure about his educational history and knew he would be up against a vast number of graduates, who he thought would have some kind of advantage/more intelligence than him? I agree that completely falsifying the truth i.e. saying he completely finished the course, would have been wrong, but for him, it was just a confidence thing. In no way do I condone lying, but given the circumstances, the guy was just feeling inferior to the other applicants. But I guess here's the real issue - the number of contenders that may have told complete untruths. This would be Claire with her small bonuses for the amount of work and the profits she claimed to have got through her work. Somehow, no-one in the media or show has questioned her about this? This is and still will remain completely unjust to me.
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