she does think Jen M is 'a snake'. Trying to mank Lucinda look bad in the boardroom and then back in the house! Awful, awful woman:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/apprentice/videos/vid/368.html

That video is from the final and is not connected to that task. It has beggar all do do with the boardroom situation with Lucinda . Furthermore she does not say that Jennifer is asnake in that clip.

So you have proved nothing.

My god, some people need to move on!!!

She never actually said that Jen was a snake though?

I am a big fan of Lucinda and dislike Helene, but from what i have seen she did try and turn on Helene in that episode.

erm, i know that clip is not from the icecream task, but it's pretty obvious that's how she felt about Jen. I just hate the way she badmouths all the other contestants when she herself didn't really do anything productive at any stage of the competition, esp the final!

Most of the candidates have bitched about each other! This is still a misleading and pointless topic.

Regardless of that, it does not 'prove' anything whatsoever, so therefore your thread title is very misleading....what happened in the ice cream task boardroom is ancient history now! I really think it's time to let it go! It's like me starting a thread berating Claire and Alex for their behaviour towards Simon in the photography task!!!

Well, she did something.

She beat many thousands of others to the final four.

Bloody good going for someone who made no contribution.

Maybe these were the "confidences" she and Lucinda were sharing.

It was obvious from the way she behaved that Helene had a very poor view of the other candidates, a bit like Katie Hopkins, the difference being that Katie had a level of competence and wit that Helene could only dream about.

To the camera, Helene called Lucinda "Vicious and evil". Lucinda, without knowing about this, lets it slip Helene said a remarkably similar thing about Jen "Snake, evil and detrimental". I highly doubt it's a coincidence those remarks are similar - I believe she did say that about Jen.

That doesn't nevessarily mean she's that great. A candidate can be on a successful team without having contributed much to their success (especially in the earlier tasks), and when their team loses, they can be saved simply because others made worse mistakes or even because Sir Alan gets it wrong. I think all three of these applied to Helene at one time or another, though some may not agree.

I don't really dislike Helene like some but having rewatched the Photo Task, I do think that Helene acted really badly. Clearly putting Lucinda in charge of something she had no idea about, not attempting to help or reallocate jobs in the team.

And then in the boardroom when asked she just said that Lucinda had never told her that she can't use computers and is simply lazy and not wanting to pull her weight. Which was nonsense.

Lucinda couldn't do sales or work any sort of equipment, and Helene was right to put Lucinda in the back room out of the way. Helene could have behaved better, but Lucinda was just incompetent and impossible to manage.

Lucinda could have easily done the costing Helene was talking about.

I'm not going to get into the whole Helene and Lucinda arguement but just want to say watching that video how funny Raef and Kevin were dueling with Snooker Cues.

Standard Big Brother tactic of hiding in the background, being as uncontroversial and unnoticeable as possible, so that everyone else gets evicted/fired first.

Unfortunately she forgot that when she did come out of the shadows at the last minute she needed to be vaguely good for the tactic to work. Coming out of the shadows but continuing to be useless doesn't work.

Costing? Isn't that a case of finding out the cost price, deciding an appropriate mark up, and work out your selling price? 5, 10 minutes tops?

Could've gave Raef the computer training and got Lucinda to do the mugs. It was a simple case of swapping them.

You seem to be confused.

This it the 'Apprentice' forum, not the BB one.

(Different tactics are needed on TA because the other candidates moan like hell if they think anyone is not pulling their weight).

Would that it were that easy (or honest).

Nowadays there is a lot of 'what the market will bear' and as this was a competetive task each team had no option but to try and maximise profit.

Interestingly I had just been looking at that video and came to the same conclusion, that the likelihood that Lucinda was right over Helene's comments about Jenny M. It still doesn't excuse Lucinda for raising the comment in the boardroom, either on ethical grounds or on grounds of expediency, but it does strongly suggest that Helene hated Jenny and the venom and feeling in her description of her as a vicious woman suggests this was not her first or a trivial criticism of her.

This video does not paint a nice picture of Helene at all, not only is she seen as brutally contemptuous but utterly self-centred and selfish. She may have been under pressure but her comments seemed to be drawn from her real character.

Not nice.

That would have been the sensible thing to do, but Helene's inflexibility on that task, and the venom in her abuse of Lucinda, were just dreadful failings. Having to deal with an incompetent like Lucinda is very trying but Helene made a bad situation unnecessarily worse.

I wouldn't have trusted Lucinda with such a role.

Well they have their faults but I still rate them both highly.

And we can at least be grateful that they were not as bad as Alex who was deservedly given the boot.

Victoria Wood was brilliant as usual and really got Alex's number.

Did they both get the same training, then? If so, I'm surprised Lucinda didn't ask Raef for help.

Was there any reason to think Lucinda could cope with the mugs? It was a similar kind of thing - technical and mechanical.

No they weren't given the same training. If I remember correctly, the voiceover said "the only one trained to use the computer is Lucinda".

However, I think Helene should have asked someone else from the team to attend when the technician came. He said it was a simple problem. Lucinda in the morning was able to burn a CD and then she was unable to do it again. Of course we don't know for sure if the problem was a simple or not. We even don't know if the problem she had after the techbnician went was the same problem she had in the morning. . but we mainly don't know because we can't rely on Lucinda's assessment of it. Helene should have been asked someone else to attend when the technician came. This way, the situation would have been much clearer.