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Old 12-08-2003, 22:51
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Has a black person ever appeared in ozzie soap neighbours.
Someone name a character if there has been one
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Old 13-08-2003, 04:58
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Not that I know of...well, as far as main characters go. I could be wrong, but isn't it true that there AREN'T actually that many Australian black people as such? I'm not sure of that though, but that's what I've always thought...

Although I don't believe they've ever had a gay character, either, but having not watched the show for 5 years, I could be wrong about that too...
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Old 13-08-2003, 07:57
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Originally posted by TOML
Has a black person ever appeared in ozzie soap neighbours.
Someone name a character if there has been one
It's donkeys years since I watched any Australian soaps, but both Home and Away and Neighbours have had black characters.

In H&A there was a (allegedly) Somalian girl called Stephanie and in Neighbours there was a British bloke who's name escapes me...but he lived in Ramsey Street and worked in the coffee shop.

As for the other question regarding "isn't it true that there aren't actually that many Australian black people...?"; that made me laugh! Australia is an indigenously black country...what do you think the Aborigines are? hehehehe The white people there are all immigrants.
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Old 13-08-2003, 09:26
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In H&A there was a (allegedly) Somalian girl called Stephanie
Yes, I can confirm there was this person. I remember Stephanie falling over the clifffs, though not sure whether she was killed or just injured

But yes, she definately existed.
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Old 13-08-2003, 09:34
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yes she did in the 1996 season
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Old 13-08-2003, 11:29
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Originally posted by Drifter
Not that I know of...well, as far as main characters go. I could be wrong, but isn't it true that there AREN'T actually that many Australian black people as such? I'm not sure of that though, but that's what I've always thought...

Although I don't believe they've ever had a gay character, either, but having not watched the show for 5 years, I could be wrong about that too...
Int that hairdresser in neighbours who lived with harold the vegi int he abit friuty
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Old 13-08-2003, 12:12
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...........I don't believe they've ever had a gay character, either
Remember Shannon's 'friend' in H and A. Mandy, I think. She started off tutoring her and then they left together to go travelling.

Thats the only gay person i can think of. i don't watch neighbours any more.
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Old 13-08-2003, 12:30
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Yes, in the 1990s there was an English black guy in Neighbours called Eddie, who worked in the coffee shop.

And as for your comment, Drifter, shame on you. The natives are all black, you fool.
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Old 13-08-2003, 17:55
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Oh please you IDIOT, I know Aborigines are there, but they aren't totally black BLACK if you know what I mean. I'm thinking more along the lines of, which is what I PRESUME the person posting this topic was talking about, African/Asian blacks, which you get a LOT of in America and Europe, but I didn't think there were THAT many in Australia. So don't bloody patronise me.

And as for Mandy in H&A, yes I remember her, but I was talking about Neighbours
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Old 14-08-2003, 07:47
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Originally posted by Drifter
Oh please you IDIOT, I know Aborigines are there, but they aren't totally black BLACK if you know what I mean. I'm thinking more along the lines of, which is what I PRESUME the person posting this topic was talking about, African/Asian blacks, which you get a LOT of in America and Europe, but I didn't think there were THAT many in Australia. So don't bloody patronise me.

And as for Mandy in H&A, yes I remember her, but I was talking about Neighbours
Firstly, name calling is unnecessary and reflects badly far more on you than on the person who you are trying to denigrate. Secondly, black is black and Aborigines are black, no matter what your incorrect assumption about them is. Australia is a black country and the comment made was one of ignorance and/or lack of knowledge. If you therefore feel patronised when someone presents you with the facts of the matter then that is your problem to deal with, no one else's.
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Old 14-08-2003, 17:30
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UTTER rubbish.

Firstly, if we want to go down THAT route, I was called a name to start with and MERELY returned it seeing as he/she wanted to work on that level.

Secondly, I flaming well KNOW they are black, this is NOT ignorance or lack of knowledge but they DO have slightly different skin tones to that of Asian/African blacks, so don't give me this ignorance rubbish and is you're presenting me with facts that I don't already know.
Thirdly, and most importantly, as I said before if you'd read, I thought the person WAS referring to African/Asian blacks and I simply pointed out that I didn't think there were many of THOSE types in Australia. Not once did I say this was a fact anyway and said I could WELL be wrong. Nothing ignorant about it, I CLEARLY didn't phrase it properly considering the furore it's caused.
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Old 14-08-2003, 17:35
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As for the other question regarding "isn't it true that there aren't actually that many Australian black people...?"; that made me laugh! Australia is an indigenously black country...what do you think the Aborigines are? hehehehe The white people there are all immigrants.
Sorry JustAGirl but it looks to me like you started it . . . everything you have said in your final post is absolutely correct but you don't educate people by ridiculing them. Despite now showing himself up as an oaf, I think you owe him an apology.

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Old 14-08-2003, 17:47
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And do KINDLY explain where I've shown myself up as an "oaf"?

I'm aware I'm being a bit forceful about this, but that's because it irritates me to the ENDS OF THE EARTH that because I phrased something a tad wrong, which in turn was ONLY because I assumed the topic starter meant African/Asian blacks (and my assumed - and is it true? no one has actually said - lack of them in Australia) rather than the natives, that I'm now being looked upon and as if I didn't know. It's RIDICULOUS. Of course I know Aborigines are black! BUT I assumed he didn't mean them anyway, and yes they are a different shade - lighter, I beleive are they not? This does not make them any less black, but that was my point when I said they aren't "black BLACK" as such. Just looking at it literally.

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Old 14-08-2003, 17:57
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And just to add, I'm sorry if I sound offensive, but it annoys me so damn much when people come in here and patronise, not because I didn't know, but because my assumption of what the topic starter meant then made me type my message in a way that that gave the impression I didn't know aborigines were black.

Actually, you're right.

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Old 14-08-2003, 18:56
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I do owe you an explanation having typed the "oaf" bit, Your offensive/defensive reply actually came up whilst I was typing in your defence believing that JustAGirl had badly misread you and had been patronising - whilst I was still in the process of typing my response to that ,yours appeared with lots of email shouting (use of capitals) and sounding attacking rather than explanatory - I admit that I lost a little of my empathy for you at that point.

I am sorry if find the term "oaf" offensive and feel that it is not justified, it was not my intention when I started my response to offend anyone.

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Old 14-08-2003, 18:58
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Reply to myself - only joined this forum today and appeared to have made a right hash of my first contribution - was really looking forward to being a prt of a forum that is so alive, fresh and revels in banter - perhaps I was a little ambitious

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Old 14-08-2003, 19:19
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I would hardly say THAT...I, nor anyone, usually gets involved in arguments on this board. Only petty things (although frankly, this IS petty if you ask me).

Of course my reply came across as attacking. I don't normally get so stupidly defensive, but in this case I felt I had half a right to and why shouldn't I? It still got the point across, regardless of capital letters (which I use often anyway). At least you sort of understood what I meant, though. But otherwise, I stand by what I said and I've got every right to defend myself, even if it is in a slightly offensive way, when someone comes in and starts taking an utterly condescending manner.
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Old 15-08-2003, 09:38
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[quote]Originally posted by Drifter
[b]I would hardly say THAT...I, nor anyone, usually gets involved in arguments on this board. Only petty things (although frankly, this IS petty if you ask me).

Of course my reply came across as attacking. I don't normally get so stupidly defensive, but in this case I felt I had half a right to and why shouldn't I?
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Wow! …. and to think that I joined this Forum for a bit of informative fun!!!

I don’t think that I have seen quite so much hair-splitting on a posting before: surely the broad theme of a topic could be addressed without being quite so pedantic regarding a subject matter (or grammar in some instances)?

If we look at the percentage of ‘black’ peoples among Australia’s populace (be they African/Asian/Aborigine/Maori… whatever), I think that it would be fair to say that they number less than the white proportion. It doesn’t necessarily follow that the indigenous proportion of a country’s population will outnumber all others. Given this, I feel that Drifter’s comment is a rational one.
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Not that I know of...well, as far as main characters go. I could be wrong, but isn't it true that there AREN'T actually that many Australian black people as such? I'm not sure of that though, but that's what I've always thought...
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I haven’t seen that many Angles, Saxons or Picts of late in my neck of the woods either!

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Reply to myself - only joined this forum today and appeared to have made a right hash of my first contribution - was really looking forward to being a prt of a forum that is so alive, fresh and revels in banter - perhaps I was a little ambitious
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I think that Madi is correct. As I said earlier, I joined (recently) for some informative banter, and not to see reams of FLAME through postings.

I think folks ought to lighten up and be less arcane over matters that are reasonably sensible in their overall theme.

Having seen life from the broadcast side for a number of years, I felt that it would be interesting and fun to join in these debates, and would provide some enlightening entertainment for all......

……. perhaps I’m wrong.

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Old 15-08-2003, 11:16
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Originally posted by Maddi
Sorry JustAGirl but it looks to me like you started it . . . everything you have said in your final post is absolutely correct but you don't educate people by ridiculing them. Despite now showing himself up as an oaf, I think you owe him an apology.

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Don't apologise, you're entitled to your opinion, however I do suggest you re-read what I responded to initially...he said, and I quote "there aren't that many Australian black people"...

Had he said "there aren't many black people in Australia", then he would have a point to come back to later on, but he did not, ergo he showed his own ignorance, got annoyed by being presented with a fact, and will just have to live with it.

I do not enter into ridiculous arguments over things that are in writing and therefore perfectly clear for people to read for themselves.
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Old 15-08-2003, 16:09
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No dear, I have already said (how many times already?), that I mistakenly put that and it came out utterly wrong because it's not what I meant at ALL.

That comment = referring to Asian/African or even West Indian blacks, NOT Aborigines; I simply overlooked them because I did not think the topic starter was referring to them. And because they're native to that country, I thought it too obvious anyway - the fact I am under the assumption that there are very few black people of the type *I* was referring to made me think he was referring to them even more, rather than Aborigines.

So no, it's NOT me getting annoyed at being presented with a fact (that I already knew), it's me getting annoyed at you *thinking* you're presenting me with a fact, calling me ignorant, all because my comment came out wrong.
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Old 18-08-2003, 08:04
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Australia has about 17 million people. 90% live in cities and major towns. Approximately 1.5% of the population are Aborigines or part Aborigines.

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Old 20-08-2003, 10:35
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According to theCIA World Factbook:

92% of Australians are Causcausian
7% of Australians are Asian (a good example of an Asian character in Neighbours is Lori)
1% of Australians are of other races, mostly Aborigines.
I think that there are very few Afro Carribeans in the country of Australia.
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