Depends how regularly comments of this nature are, and how they take on an underlying edge the more they are used.

shish.

:yawn: :yawn:

are you saying that if someone makes that sort of joke a lot, they start to actually mean it?

how many times do you have to make a jokey comment before you start to mean it? 5? 10? 100? i don't follow.

bottom line is, despite what you say, is that you don't know cameron, don't know how serious he's being, don't know exactly what he's thinking (unless you're a bleedin' mind reader?), and so can't possibly draw the conclusions about him that you do with any degree of certainty.

and no amount of endless sniping / hypothesising / analysing is going to change that.

Iain

This is ludicrous. The whole concept of BB as a TV programme/game show is about observation and judgement, however arbitrary. It seems to me that you are entirely missing the point about what BB is all about.


So why do you bother when you haven't even followed this series as closely as others?

not at all. I get perfectly well what BB is about.

however, just because people hypothesise about what people are like, and what they are thinking, that doesn't actually mean that that speculation paints an accurate picture of what any of the HMs are actually like.

thats all i'm saying, and i don't think many people could surely dispute that?


how closely do I have to have followed it before I am afforded any opinion?

Iain

Then, according to you, one shouldn't bother discussing BB at all since by your logic, all opinions and interpretations are meaningless anyway. Are you being deliberately pedantic or do you just enjoy stating the patently obvious?

how do you work that one out?

are you now missing the point of BB? thats the fun of it, slagging them off, analysing what they get up to, having HMs you like, and those you don't - all of that.

however, IMO, in the case of Cameron, it has gone a bit too far, thats all.

Iain

Then why do you persist in flogging a dead horse, particularly if you don't actually feel all that strongly about it??

because i think its ridiculous that people hold such unswerving views of anybody based on watching them in the BB house on telly.

imagine if you were on BB, and you said or did a couple of things that were picked up on on a forum like this, taken the wrong way, got all out of control and people concluded that you were a terrible terrible person.

who would be most likely to know what you were really like?

A. You.

or

B. People who had watched you on the telly?

Iain

and stop rolling your eyes at me.

its not big, and its not clever if you do it all the time.

Iain

Your question is irrelevant since I would never apply to be on BB in the first place and even if I did, shouldn't that be my concern rather than yours?

But very succinct all the same.

the question is not irrelevant because, funnily enough, that logic wouldn't just apply to you.

it was meant to illustrate that anybody going into the BB house is likely to say or do something which could be taken the wrong way.

i'm surprised you didn't get that......

Iain

I do get it. Your question is still irrelevant, Mr. Pedant. What makes the contestants' feelings about how they are perceived of people anything to do with you?

If they don't like it, they shouldn't have applied in the first place.

but rolling your eyes tends to suggest that the person is talking rubbish. you might not agree with anything i've said, but its been argued clearly and logically, and you haven't once actually answered any of the points.

but apart from that its been a good discussion.....

Iain

You congratulate yourself on the logic of your argument but to me it is specious, pedantic verbiage.

what?

is this really that hard a concept i'm trying to explain here?

people go into the BB house.

people watch them on telly.

people form views about those people based on what they see on the telly.

those views don't necessarily reflect the actual personality / views of that person.

you're basically presuming that everything you think about a person based on watching them on tv is fact.

i'm saying that can't possibly be the case, unless you're a mind reader.

which bit do you disagree with?

Iain

which bits?

i've broken it down into bitesize yes/no chunks which haven't been answered.

Iain

No wonder you're confused since you obviously do not understand anything about the BB format.

People form opinions on contestants who have voluntarily put themselves in the spotlight to be judged. BB is a popularity contest and people will be rejected during the course of the programme for all manner of reasons.

If you have such a problem with the way people may be perceived, then perhaps you shouldn't be watching in the first place.

For someone who claims not to be interested in minutiae, your comments certainly are incredibly petty and obtuse.

didn't i say just now that i did?


yes. i'd gathered that.

what i'm saying is that these opinions on contestants aren't necessarily accurate.

are you saying that in fact they are accurate, regardless of what anyone else, including the contestant themselves might say?

And how about answering some of my questions this time. (they're the bits with ?s at the end.....)

Iain

This is again irrelevant because If the contestants can't handle how they are perceived by certain sections of the audience that's their problem. If they don't like it, they should remember they went on BB entirely of their own free will - and that's what the reality of BB is all about.

its not about how what they think, its about whether or not theconclusions people draw are in any way necessarily accurate.

yourself and others say *of course they are. regardless. and we know because we've watched a lot of BB*

and I say *don't be daft. you might think these things, but as you've never met the people, or really know them at all, you can't possibly say that with any certainty..*

can you?

really?

Iain

Which is why a newspaper has ran a story where it is twice said he needed to be dragged away from attacking a women.....

shish...

might that be the same newspaper who runs stories on the biggest political and intelligent battle of comments ever? otherwise known as jordan vs jodie, battle of the tits (btw this is of no relevance to alex)

What does it matter? What concern is it of yours?

For heaven's sake, drop it. You're just repeating the same pedantic points all over again and becoming more and more tedious.

remind you of a former hm? *cough* Alex *cough*