I repeat...He's a fake, and I was right about the shit he'd end up doing!

Why talk about Cameron like that, I thought you were supposed to be a Cameron fan.

My word, you are bitter.

Where has he been fake?
Why were others more honest?

Jon never made out that he didn't intend to pursue a TV career because he felt it was "selling out", or that he was "selling his soul"..........He said he intended to go back to work and not bother trying to pursue a television career because he felt that he would be rubbish at television presenting

That was the reason sawfish.

You could sometimes see his legs shaking like mad when on something like RISE, even though he came across better than he thought his nerves were letting him.

He genuinely thought he wouldn't be up to television presenting.

...He went as far to say that he has seen good TV presenters doing the job, and said that he would never be able to match up to their ability.

Just because he said it wasn't his intention to do television presenting, is not the same thing as saying he would rule out the opportunity if it presented itself to him.

From what I've seen of Jon, I would imagine that he weighed up all the pros and cons before he decided whether he was up to this.
If he has the necessary confidence, and the salary is attractive,..then he may have decided it's an opportunity he shouldn't dismiss, and may be a worthwhile pursuit.

There's nothing I've seen of Jon that indicates in any way that he was desperate for a TV career. If you think other wise, it's speculation based on ...not a lot.

I cannot believe some of the shite people write on here, what is it? is it becuase he's got a brain that he puts to good use. Why the heck shouldn't he present this if that's what he wants.
Very best of luck to him.

Well done Jon!

Hi Tamara,...long time no see.

Congratulations to Jon.....I hope he does well and enjoys himself.

It's the first time I've seen a BB contestant get a media job, yet still tey and maintain some sort of grounding by attempting to carry on with his old job.

It shows a lot of caution on his behalf. If TV doesn't work well for him,..he's not going to be in a desperate situation in the future, and he may be able to fall back on his "real world" job.

It shows a lot of common sense, and is very different from the desperate attitudes that some housemates, past and present, have when it comes to their relationship with celebrity and fame.

Credit to Jon for not abandoning his job in the real world.

Hey,..even if he had decided to leave his job,..you've got to give the guy credit for working out his month's notice, and showing loyalty and consideration to his employer. (If that were the case)

If he is trying to juggle two jobs,...he may find it difficult to keep them both. The workload stress may get to him and he may have to make a choice between the two jobs if he is to be good at either of them.

The article as linked by tamara says that he will be a "guest" presenter so the time commitment may not be too great

As the show doesn't appear to involve drunken wannabees in a Villa in Ibiza, it's probably a short term commitment for Sky, probably a one-off series for 6-8 weeks

i think he will comfortably fit it around his proper job

Hi AM... it will be nice to talk to you later

.. and you are right... Jon is a a guy with his feet firmly grounded in spite of being in a situation that would unsettle most of us. It must be weird to be a kind of cult figure. So credit to him!!

The criticisms from some people here were to be expected. I find odd when fans feel the need to rubbish everything that involves the so called opponent to their chosen BB favourite. Well... each to their own..

I was going to say how dispointed I was....I thought he'd go back to work...But I'm not disapointed at all...I'm glad...Yep...I'm happy he's doing TV....Good for you Jon....

I bet he makes a better job of it than Kate Lawler does in her sad attempt to co-present RI:SE.
She's usually so terrible she makes me cringe.

I thought Jon was great when he did his tv spot on RI:SE and his occasional display of nerves didn't seem to greatly affect the way he spoke although he was sometimes obviously shaking.

BLESS!

If he rehearses well, I think he could become quite relaxed in front of the cameras, especially in the more controlled situation of a recorded show.

I wish him all the best.
I just hope I get my sky box fixed in time to see him

Good for Jon - can't wait to see what the show is like.

Will someone please tell me why it is you all slag Cam constantly, yet when someone says one bad thing about the smugarse loser jon, you are considered bitter or a troll?

*admin edit* - please be respectful to other forum users

I've posted about 60 posts saying I dont like jon, some of you have posted thousands slagging Cam.

Its NOT the'jons arselickers only forum', its a forum for eveyone.

I think you have answered your own post there. It's your nasty way with words, and the fact you seem to mean exactly what you say, you never seem to make a lighthearted fun post. You even admited on the BBUSA forum in one of your posts that you go over the top sometimes.

It would be nice if you could have a decent debate on BB, but your posts are always insulting, not just to Jon, but to fm's as well, and I think you should have been reported on a few occasions.

I like a few Cameron fans on here, Cixii and Foxy Lady are two of the more pleasant one and thms, even if they are a bad judge of character of this years winner of BB4.

Does that answer your question. 'No, thought not'.

Susann, you are spot on.

It's a forum for everyone who doesn't abuse others for no apparent reason. I do respect a couple of the Cameron supporters who can at least put forward a well-reasoned argument. After all, I actually used to like the bloke, but came to feel that any defence of Cameron became increasingly specious as the weeks went by.

People who use charmless terms like "Jon's arselickers" can't realistically expect to be treated with any respect.

Well I'm really pleased for Jon. I hope it's sort of like "How", or something similar to what Adam Hart-Davis does, as I really enjoy those 'science is fun' kind of shows.

The other issue for debate in connection with this is -- how important really is "winner status" to post-BB success?

I concede that there's no doubt that being 'the winner' label lends kudos, but, in itself, I think it's not actually all that important. Jon's early success over Cameron here seems to support this argument, and deservedly so. IMO he was the most memorable HM this year, certainly at least if not more so than the guy who won.

I think it was AM who pointed out in previous discussion last year, that going by previous form, regardless of the success of the other contestants, The BB Winner will always go on to do extremely well in carving out a tv/media career. This has not been contradicted so far, so unfortunately it may be too early to dismiss Cameron.

Of course you are right Mystic, I haven't dismissed Cameron, and he will do well out of BB, as all the winners have. As long as I don't have to see him on my tv, then I am happy enough and don't care what he goes on to do.

As for the winners successes on tv so far, it is not long term enough to know yet. After all it has only been an accumulation 3-4 yrs so far, from the first BB winner. They might still all disappear into oblivion soon for all we know.

Hi Mystic,

Yes it was me who stated that point last year.
Many people were slagging Kate off saying that she had no chance of getting TV work,......but I was adamant that she most definitely would.

Same thing again,...I'm pretty sure that Cameron will do the best out of them all this year.
Don't forget that Kate didn't get work straight away, and everbody was writing her off at that time.

Like I said before,...it's sort of in the contract,...you win BB,..you get a TV show.

I'm sure that this year ahead we'll have the same arguments that Jon or Cameron's job isn't a proper TV job,..or that One of them has earnt more money than the other, etc.
We're bound to get people who are going to measure their successes on degrees of difference of how much they earn,.or whether a show which one of them takes on is more credible than the other's TV job.

Cameron will get a TV job.

But maybe this is the year that the pattern changes, and the winner sinks into obscurity.
If anybody is going to buck the trend, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Jon who does so.

None of the winners or losers have had especially successful tv careers.
Craig is still a builder, albeit on the telly.
Brian is still mincing around, albeit on the telly.
Kate is still a flirt, albeit on the telly.

Will it be Jon being a geek on the telly, or Cameron being a fake on the telly who we'll still be watching in 2004? Or Ray being drunk and scary? Or Nush pretending to be an airhead? Or Scott suddenly developing a personality? Or Tania being an "it" girl?

Who knows?

You decide.

You make a good point,...but it depends on how you define successful.

Even though somebody like Craig may not be as high profile as the others,..(let alone a major celebrity),....he's still doing something that he enjoys in his like, and has knowledge of.

To me,..being able to do that in life, and maintain doing that ,..is quite successful.

I'd be extremely happy to be able to do a hobby and get paid for it...If somebody can do that, and enjoy a good salary and have a comfortable job on telly as well,...well all the better for them.

Cameron probably has good business acumen, and is likely to use that to his benefit in finding the right opportunities for himself on TV.

Jon has a passion for science,..and has already found a job on telly that suits his own personal skills and interests. Good luck to him. If he can carry on with that he'd still be successful if he enjoys it,...even if it's not on Saturday night primetime.

I also think Nush has something that would be good for television. She has a leaning toward things already mentioned here, like yoga, and other spiritual type things,..so she may decide to find an opportunity in that area.

But while in the house,..she said she would love to do illustration as a career,...At the time, I just thought she was talking out of her arse.
But I saw some of her artwork on BBLB,..and I've got to say that I really liked her paintings,(them weird colourful psychedelic images)....She's not a bad artist at all.
And you see a few Children's programmes like Art Attack, and SMART,..that she would be a natural for.
She has a way of projecting herself which is very inviting. I think she may do well, if the ball bounces the right way for her.

Large quantities of de-scaling tablets do that

I couldn't agree more, Alrightmate.
I think if any of the housemates end up doing something they enjoy then that's wonderful for them personally.
They deserve that much to offfset the extent their personal lives are affected and invaded by their exposure on BB.
Craig always seems to be perfectly happy, likewise Brian and Kate whenever they appear on TV.
It'd be nice to see someone really flourish from their BB experience but perhaps that's being excessively optimistic.

Yes, as long as they can get personal satisfaction from what they're doing, whether in the media or not,..it's good for them, and doesn't make them a loser if they're not presenting "Changing Rooms",.."Neighbors From Hell",.."Who Wants to be a Millionaire",..etc.

I mean,..how many people who we see presenting on TV are actually big name celebrities.
Most of television is made up of presenters who are also just trying to make a name for themselves.

How many TV presenters from the last few years are household names right now?.....Not that many from the hundreds of people who have presented.
Who remembers half of the presenters names on Childrens television who come and go all the time.

It's like anything,....you have to sustain a career for a period of time to be able to say you're successful in that area.

Household names are so few and far between, that it's hard enough for the average TV presenter to make it, let alone a BB contestant trying to cut their teeth in the media.

All BB does is get contestants to get their foot on the ladder. It just puts them in the same position as absolutely loads of young presenters trying to make their name at any given time.

BB contestants are no more a loser than the average daytime TV presenter,..or post midnight TV presenter who isn't as widely known as someone like Carol Vorderman, or Philip Schofield.

Any BB contestant who has any sense knows that they are just given a start, and that any long term success is still something they have to work towards over the years.

Nobody just becomes a household name overnight and is guaranteed to keep that position for life.
If a BB contestant doesn't make it,..they're in the same position as most TV presenters anyway,....they're not losers....
....Unless they're being judged by somebody who themself has distorted views on success and celebrity,..and worships that lifestyle as the ideal, and negates everything that doesn't revolve around celebrity, fame and money.

not everyone in Glasgow is like the one who saw a fish (once?) you can all still visit .

So true everything you say, AM. I think anyone lucky enough to actually have a job that they enjoy, and get well paid for it, can count themselves a "success" in life.

There are a lot of very capable, highly intelligent tv presenters out there, doing their work quietly without seeking or attracting 'celebritydom' . I especially enjoy watching those presenters who are knowledgeable or experts in their own field and thus can convey a certain sense of overwhelming enthusiasm to the viewer that 'generic' presenters simply are not able. Not only because they obviously know what they're talking about, rather than someone shouting in their earpiece telling them what to say, but they also have a gift for captivating an audience.

TV presenting 'stardom' as you point out is very much ephemeral. Esp for 'generic' presenters of entertainment progs, and even more so for females. Even the currently ubiquitous Davina will probably be largely gone in 10 years or so, like all previously ubiquitous primetime ent presenters before her. The current 'cult of celebrity' - which encompasses anyone who's ever appeared on tv - is a fairly recent phenomenon in keeping with the fastfood disposable culture of modern life today.