I wonder why none of the others felt the need to butt in and shoot down others then ... have they more restraint and dignity than Lucinda or simply did they realise it was a reality show where dog ate dog and accepted not all comments by others were going to be nice (in fact most said unsavoury things about others on camera)

Can Lucinda not control her emotions?

Does she see herself as a victim?

But after the interviews every thing was clear to Lucinda. If she have said exactly the same words in her you're fired show, no one could have blamed her. I think the timing was just wrong.

This is what I dont get.

Its one thing to dislike her, to disagree with her but to suggest this is a case of someone being out of control or `imploding` as someone said on another thread is absurd.

I never once said I disliked Lucinda, she brought an awful lot to the series. Her clothes were great and I do hope it inspires younger women in business not to always wear dark colours.

I honestly feel that she lost control for a few minutes on the last YF'd programme and hence her little outburst which made her look petty and vindictive. It was not nice to watch especially when she tried to drag others (Raef) into it.

PERHAPS, just PERHAPS - and I just put this forward for general consideration as a definite maybe, PERHAPS Lucinda's remarks were an accurate expression of the general detestation she feels towards Helene??? (alegedly!) (lol)

I thought she was really nice and was truly the victim of bullying the first few weeks. When it got to the tissue task, she came out with really good criticisms towards the product, however, when it got to the car task, I believe she was playing the victim, rather than being the victim. Then, when it got to YF, she was indeed lowering herself to the level of Helene during the series and dragging poor Raef into it wasn't a great move for her either. However, I feel she may not have even realised she was doing it, as she conducted herself very well in comparison to other candidates throughout the series and reflecting on that, she wasn't so bad in terms of bitchiness and backstabbing.

Then as a well rounded person she should have controlled her outburst and behaved with dignity on YF'd. By her outburst she shows she cannot stop herself from having her say NO matter what!

Nobody loves everyone we work with but we learn to tolerate them

Oh come on. How does one outburst prove that?

I think Lucinda expected an apology after what happened and she didn't get one. Helene wanted to give reasons as to why she behaved badly. Lucinda didn't want Helene to get away with it and we can't blame her for that. However, her choice of words was wrong. If she just echoed what she always said during the program about how a project manager should support the team and that she didn't expect anyone in business to behave the way Helene did, I think she would have been fine.

I didn't see a problem with Lucinda replying to Helene because what happened during that task was clearly wrong. However, it would have been much better had she utilized her chance in the previous show or expressed herself differently.

Kristina from series 3 was much worse in the apprentice special of the weakest link.

I also believe that this discussion, have been blown out of proportion. Lucinda is entitled to reply to Helene after what happened in the task. We know that Helene was not etirely honest in two occasions. I just think that she didn't express herself appropriately.

jjackson42 gingerly walking on eggshells.

Not a crime to get on with some colleagues better than others. No revelation if Lucinda disliked Helene. Even less surprise if Helene pronounced all her colleagues to be "gobsh*tes". We have been hearing worse for 3 months -- yawn.

But on the night a revelation did appear -- in the shape of a Moaner Lisa spectacularly well made up. In command of the floor and looking like butter wouldn't melt in her mouth, she proceeded to speak in dulcet tones softly painting an intimate picture of Lucinda right in front of Lucinda.

I believe the shock and insincerity of the delivery, more than what Helene said, triggered off an intervention on impulse. It is obvious nobody is happy about this incident, coming on Apprentice Lee's night of celebration.

Taking everything into consideration, and without offering any specific interpretation of the actualite - AND while bearing in mind the possibility that other points of view could, concievably, exist - you might be right!!!

Away from the pressures of the TA house Helene appeared as a relaxed, pleasant and confidant woman who thought, on the basis of previous public announcements from at least one other contestant, that all the nastiness had been forgotten and who was very happy about that.

Sadly, one candidate was not prepared to let anything go and caused a scene, but one which, fortunately, Helene handled with dignity and grace.

Who are "you people" exactly? I couldn't care less about any of them, including Lucinda, so no, I won't be baying for blood. Perhaps bad manners is the wrong phrase to use, but he went right down in my estimation for sitting on the fence for not wanting to be seen badly by either the Lucinda or Helene camp. I still don't think Lucinda was displaying bad manners in trying to defend herself, and asking someone to corroborate whether Helene had done the training or not.

She speaks her mind basically, but that is preferable to people who prefer to undermine in a sneaky, underhand way, even if they do know when to keep their mouth shut for the cameras (most of the time).

I though Helene handled the interview well concidering she was given a rather rough ride. I lost a lot of respect from Lucinda well before that show but she showed her true colours that night.

Good heavens. That brings new meaning to the phrase "damning with faint praise"!!

We've pretty much established in other threads that Helene didn't get the training. She was in the room when Helene and Raef got trained, but she was doing something else. This was shown on the original programme, and the voice-over also mentions that only Lucinda was trained. When Lucinda has difficulty, there are times when Helene is looking over her shoulder trying to help, but there's nothing she can do. There's no reason why she shouldn't help. She wanted to win the task. All of this is on YouTube.

So Lucinda was wrong. She was also wrong about not patching up the relationship (which isn't to say the relationship didn't break down again later, or that Lucinda is best pals with Helene or anything like that).


My theory is that the true situation was too complex for Raef to explain. Especially as Lucinda was wrong. I don't think she'd have been quick to understand or accept it.

I agree. I believe that he knew it wasn't the time or place to prolong a complex argument and I suspect he didn't want to say anything that could be interpreted as critical of either Helene or Lucinda.

No it doesn't. Raef also spoke and could be heard clearly clearly, suggesting they were all fully miked which in turn suggests they were all invited to make a contibution if they wished. The only reason no other candidate spoke was due to not having any relevant input to Helene's interview topics.

What nonsense!

Just because someone is miked does not mean they have been invited to interupt the proceedings whenever they wish.

Someone may be miked in case the presenter wants to ask them a question but it certainly doesn't give them carte blanche to stick their oar in whenever they happen to feel like it.

It's amazing and, from the point of our educations system rather sad, that some people seem to unable to tell the difference between a Q & A session such as YF and a debate.

To me, Lucinda was only there to promote herself and was never interested in becoming Sir Alan's apprentice.

She was very antagonistic and when she noticed people who may object to her attitude she did everything she could to bring out the worst in them. I doubt her self-promotion has worked though because already people are starting to see her for what she is - her media career is already over.

So not a fan then??

I think Raef was in a difficult situation and read it correctly. He probaly knew Lucinda was the only one to get full training but that Helene and himself were around


I think Lucinda thought she had won everyone over with playing the victim and that she could more or less say what she liked without backlash ... she read it wrong


No it is seeing the positive and the negative side of a candidate. Some look through rose tinted glasses others look only for bad thing and others look at the whole picture

Backlash??? A "Backlash" on DS does not constitute a backlash in real life.

DS exists purely as an entertainment forum for disaffected souls like your good self, and occasionally me, to winge!!

It has NO, repeat NO meaning in the great wide world out there.

Someone having a 20 second argument in public is not grounds for a backlash. If it weren't for half a dozen or so posters who still seem inexplicably to feel personally violated by the incident over a week later, I doubt anyone would still be commenting on it.