Can someone please point to me when exactly Lucinda said that she made up with Helene please? I just want to see it again .. please. I asked once before and no one gave me a definitive answer.

(Sorry if this is a bit jumpy)

I agree that her touchy-feelyness put her out of step with most of the others. Not necessarily a bad thing imo, all things given.

I don't believe she shouted out to spoil Helene's experience, I believe she did it because she felt Helene was being untruthful, and in this instance she was there in person to defend herself. I'm not saying i necessarily think this was the right thing to do, just why i think she did it. I certainly don't think she did it to try and spoil Helene's night. If sticking up for yourself when you feel lies are being told that involve you makes you a victim, then I agree she was maybe feeling victimised there.

Yes, Sales are not a strong point of hers!

I'm sure they did confide in each other - they shared a room for a while and in this time may well have had chats and exchanged views, etc. Helene moved out and in with one of the Jennies and Sara moved in with Lucinda, which doesn't automatically suggest they were getting on great. I'm reading between lines a bit I know, but aren't we all?

Re dropping Helene in it in the boardroom - My view is that she was put in a position where SA had liked her idea to mix the teams and wanted to know why she hadn't done so. My recollection is that in the boardroom, she said that certain people wouldn't get on (or words to that effect...) if the teams were mixed and SA was pushing her for more info. So she had to make the decision to either keep Helene's confidence and not tell SA why she didn't mix the teams, or to give him more of the detail that he was after. What would you have done in that situation? I'm not sure what I would have done.
I think Alex did it conciously to try and drop Lucinda in it. I don't feel Lucinda did it to try and drop Helene (or Jenny) in it.

Laughing off misunderstanding even 8 month's after the event is fine, but it's not 8 months ago if you believe someone is there in front of you lying about events involving you. Again, I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with what she did, just that it wasn't all past tense in that studio was it (from her point of view)?

She is able to laugh off misunderstanding. Laughing off what she feels are lies being told about her whilst present is perhaps not her forte.

I agree that Helene came across very well on her YF show, including her handling of the situation.

ATTEMPTED STRAW MAN ALERT!

Just put the question again for someone to answer and I would be very grateful.

So you've seen it once?

In the boardroom in week 11 following the interviews Lucinda told SAS “Whenever I’ve had an altercation with someone I’ve spoken to them afterwards and got on and worked very happily alongside and supported”

Helene was present at the time (as were all the candidates) and could be forgiven for thinking this reflected Lucinda’s true position, particularly as it seemed to match Helene’s own understanding of events as expressed on the final ‘You’re Fired’ show and as demonstrated by the fact the two worked well together in the ice cream task, resulting in Helene praising Lucinda in the boardroom that week.

The use of the word “Whenever” would seem to indicate on all occasions.

Thanks very much.

Perhaps Lucinda meant that she always took the initiative to ensure that she worked well with her colleagues. However, Helene indicated that they both made the effort to get along. From Helene's point of view this of course can be true but perhaps Lucinda didn't see it this way and she expected more (an apology or something!!).

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I think there is "making up" and "making up". Sometimes you have to make an effort to get on with someone well enough to get a task done, but Helene tried to give the impression that they had become friends, which clearly wasn't the case from Lucinda's point of view. In fact there's no love lost between either of them, so on that point, wasn't Helene being misleading, nay lying?

Helene didn't say that she was best friends with Lucinda. When Lucinda denied that Helene made an effort to get on with her. Helene simply said that Lucinda shared things with her as an evidence that they patched things up.

From Lucinda's point of view she made all the effort to get on with others and she took the initiative to work with Helene after arguments (including having converstaions about her personal life) but Helene didn't exert the same effort and didn't offer an apology. Lucinda echoed this in her post-firing inteviews. From Helene's point of view, they got on very well after these arguments and therefore she didn't have the impresson that Lucinda needed an apology.

I think they looked at what heppened differently. Most probably both women were describing the situation from their point of view (the same applies to the computer training issue).

I still think that Lucinda behaved badly in the you're fired show. She is entitled to reply to what Helene said because she didn't see it the way Helene saw it but she just didn't express herself in the best way.

Sara like Lucinda was miked up. When Adrian Chiles invited her to reflect on the Sara-Lee confrontation the audience tensed up. But Sara said everything was sweet between them now, smiling from ear to ear. The audience roared with approval.

Had Sara reacted the opposite way, continuing to cry foul, she too would have attracted flak like Lucinda did. Earlier on in the series unresolved feuds were par for the course. Fans took sides and wanted to see comeuppance the following Wednesday, judgment passed, person fired.

But the final Wednesday was too late for that -- there was no following Wednesday. It was a night for closure, for Lee's celebration, and for a rich and colourful drama to end on a high note. The candidates would be scattering perhaps never to reassemble again. Any loose ends and unresolved debates opened up on this night would remain unresolved, probably unresolvable.

The ending did not end, with viewers' orgasm aborted. Somebody had to pay.

Um, what's going on? That's almost, but not exactly, word for word what I wrote on the IF forum here on June 12th. Here's an extract from there:

It seems to me that Lucinda has developed a bit of a victim mentality. She has this façade of being touchy-feely and empathetic, but she is actually out of step with everyone else. Shouting out in the TV programme to spoil Helene's moment was not a nice thing to do. She brings dislike upon herself.

Where-as Helene handled it quite well. She focussed on Lucinda's intelligence, and then focussed on her own mistake of not being trained. She avoided being critical of Lucinda, other than saying she hadn't wanted to do sales (and we saw in the car task how bad Lucinda was at selling).

You've reordered bits, glued paragraphs together, and changed a few words (eg "has" became "had" in the first sentence; elsewhere "leader" becomes "PM"). However, the posts are far too similar for it to be coincidence. If you were copying me deliberately, why didn't you say so and give credit? Or did you think the few changes you made would prevent me from noticing?

Has this been going on for 2 years, or 4 months?

Plagiarism on a talkboard......

My point was that she wasn't in fact very empathetic. She claimed to be, but it was a façade.


Whether or not it was her intent, it was the result any reasonable person would have expected.


She was publically declaring herself to be Helene's victim. And further, she had the wrong end of the stick on each factual thing she said. Her problems were of her own making.

In the Dilbert comic strip, a secretary goes on a course entitled, "How to turn your imaginary problems into real ones." I think Lucinda is good at that.


Actually, the split she wanted would not have put Helene and Jennifer M together, so any animosity between them couldn't have been the reason Lucinda didn't push for it, so there was no need to tell Sir Alan.

Although I wasn't really criticising Lucinda there, I think it is more evidence that she isn't very empathetic or easy to get on with. She sometimes shows low "emotional intelligence"; that is, she sometimes fails to read how other people are feeling, or fails to predict how they will react to something she does. She may not have intended to damage Helene by blurting out secrets in the boardroom, just as she may not have intended to spoil Helene's YF, but most people would have understood the likely consequences.