Im not sure they will even meet...the trailer shows Jack, Ianto and Gwen in the hub (well thats what Im sure I saw lol)..maybe its just Jack that meets the Doc and Rose again.?!?
Gwen Cooper Ansester OF Gwineth (Merged)
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i do think they will meet because there is a rumour that every character from the two part story will all be together in a scene near the end of journey's end.
...thus explaining the use of footage showing the Torchwood crew in DWC.
Although it is perfectly plausible that Gwen could be a descendant of Gwenyth, I'm sure I read in DWM that the two are not related. The facial resemblance is just coincidence as the same actress played both characters.
Or, as The Doctor might say :" I love humans. Always looking for patterns in things that aren't there." (TVM,1996
Of course, RTD to protect the show and avoid giving away too much , often says things like this to get forums like this atwitter with rumour and speculation which is all very healthy as it increases the profile of DW. And all the Blackadders looked the same
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Although it is perfectly plausible that Gwen could be a descendant of Gwenyth, I'm sure I read in DWM that the two are not related. The facial resemblance is just coincidence as the same actress played both characters.
Or, as The Doctor might say :" I love humans. Always looking for patterns in things that aren't there." (TVM,1996
Of course, RTD to protect the show and avoid giving away too much , often says things like this to get forums like this atwitter with rumour and speculation which is all very healthy as it increases the profile of DW. And all the Blackadders looked the same
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Originally Posted by Orri:
“Interesting, though not by RTD, reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Crash”
“Interesting, though not by RTD, reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Crash”
Oh its only an agenda when RTD does it!
There were gay characters all over "The Empty Child" and no-one batted an eyelid....
Plus SITL/FOTD had a complete overuse of the Sonic Screwdriver including it saving the day (NOT in a Dues ex machina way though as I've seen written elsewhere) but it's only RTD that overuses it!
You gotta love the internet sometimes
What I find interesting is that every time a fan concern has come up with something like this (Freema looking like Adeola, Will the people of Shakespeare's time have a problem with a black woman?, Doesn't that clone slab look like the Zoviorax advert? etc etc) there's been a throwaway line in the show that deals with it in an almost pre-emptive strike manner!
So we may find this gets referenced in the show and it is all a big fuss over nothing
RTD is in overall control of the series, and sets the agenda. But the main complaint about his "overuse" is when he sacrifices plot development in order to get his message over, rather than get on with the story. The whole is he/isn't he debate about Jake shows that at times you can get rid of a whole scene if need to, hence that particular reference is not integral. That's why in my opinion he lays himself open to acusations of bad writing, even when in "Midnight" the actual gender of Sky's ex partner is (probably) not relevant, and yes from any other writer it probably wouldn't have been comented on. Thank god he didn't write Wasp and Unicorn, the coment about how one character couldn't mourn the loss of another would have been ponced on like a shot.
On the other hand, just because he's gay RTD doesn't have to like lesbians, or women. A proper bigot could make the inference that as Sky thinks her ex is behind the attack, it's because she's a follower of Wika, and thus has unleashed a demon to wreak her vengence.
And for those who're interested there are at least three "gay" references in "Turn Left",
1) Bohemian Rhapsody, by Queen, which is integal to the plot, and also has some relevant lyrics to it. But a reference to Freddy Mercury has got to count.
2) Captain Jack, who will be in the rest of this three parter.
3) The bit about men falling for the blonde hair, streching it a bit I know.
Mind you on average you'd expect over 6% of any writers characters to be gay.
And one of the references in "Empty Child" was integral to the plot, and also the same kind of "things are so much better now" message as in TUatW. Still adultery though.
On the other hand, just because he's gay RTD doesn't have to like lesbians, or women. A proper bigot could make the inference that as Sky thinks her ex is behind the attack, it's because she's a follower of Wika, and thus has unleashed a demon to wreak her vengence.
And for those who're interested there are at least three "gay" references in "Turn Left",
1) Bohemian Rhapsody, by Queen, which is integal to the plot, and also has some relevant lyrics to it. But a reference to Freddy Mercury has got to count.
2) Captain Jack, who will be in the rest of this three parter.
3) The bit about men falling for the blonde hair, streching it a bit I know.
Mind you on average you'd expect over 6% of any writers characters to be gay.
And one of the references in "Empty Child" was integral to the plot, and also the same kind of "things are so much better now" message as in TUatW. Still adultery though.
Er, did you meaan to post yet more gay-agenda stuff in this particular thread Orri? And will you give it a rest with that. I know its your opinion, but it stirs up so much bad feeling and ill will towards you. You might be lovely in the flesh, and do not intend to offend, but its how you're coming across on these threads.
Originally Posted by pcjonathan:
“diffferent species and different place and different looks. we are talking about the same species, same place and very similar looks. They just picked the aame person because they needed a japanese person so they got her”
“diffferent species and different place and different looks. we are talking about the same species, same place and very similar looks. They just picked the aame person because they needed a japanese person so they got her”
That works since the actress is Zimbabwean
She may well have oriental looks but she's not Japanese.
Originally Posted by ::Adam:::
“Did the doctor ever say to Martha;
"Oh Martha was it? you look like this girl who worked at Torchwood 1 in London" Noo.”
“Did the doctor ever say to Martha;
"Oh Martha was it? you look like this girl who worked at Torchwood 1 in London" Noo.”
No but Martha brought it up before he had a chance to.
Originally Posted by Simon Hall:
“Er, did you meaan to post yet more gay-agenda stuff in this particular thread Orri? And will you give it a rest with that. I know its your opinion, but it stirs up so much bad feeling and ill will towards you. You might be lovely in the flesh, and do not intend to offend, but its how you're coming across on these threads.”
“Er, did you meaan to post yet more gay-agenda stuff in this particular thread Orri? And will you give it a rest with that. I know its your opinion, but it stirs up so much bad feeling and ill will towards you. You might be lovely in the flesh, and do not intend to offend, but its how you're coming across on these threads.”
See what you mean. But my first reply was relevant to thread, as regards peoples guesses at RTDs motivation regarding multi-doctor stories. And ilustrated that he isn't the only one to make gay references.
As this thread seems to make an issue of RTDs public statements regarding what he will and will not do, I'd counter with my opinion that any competent writer who allows himself to let that kind of thing stop him from telling a good story if inspired to do so isn't all that good. And that as RTD is in fact a good writer, shouldn't be expected to tie his own hands in that way.
So, back on topic, there is no reason why Gwyneth and Gwen couldn't be distant relatives.
Other than that, I won't allow people who feel the only way they can "debate" an issue is to insult and browbeat dictate the terms of any discusion, or put any relevant topic off limits in this or any other forum. It's up to the moderators of these forums to make that call.
If Gwen meets the Doctor in the series final, do you think the Doctor will make a connection between the modern day Gwen and The Unquiet Dead's Gwyneth?
Originally Posted by JCRendle:
“If Gwen meets the Doctor in the series final, do you think the Doctor will make a connection between the modern day Gwen and The Unquiet Dead's Gwyneth?”
“If Gwen meets the Doctor in the series final, do you think the Doctor will make a connection between the modern day Gwen and The Unquiet Dead's Gwyneth?”
Nope, I don't think they'll meet either.
If you look on page 2 of this forum, you will find a thread on this very subject. 'Gwen Cooper Ansestor of Gwineth' (sic). Sorry, haven't worked how to stick threads into these replies yet!
Originally Posted by Rossby:
“Great reference to this in tonight episode.”
“Great reference to this in tonight episode.”
Yup
Also loved the confusion on Ianto's face like "WTF has that got to do with anything 
"
I wish they hadn't said she was an actual descendant of Gwyneth and instead done a cool story in Torchwood involving the Gelth returning. Maybe they still could. Reanimated dead bodies walking around posessed by Gelth would work loads better in Torchwood.
Originally Posted by performingmonk:
“I wish they hadn't said she was an actual descendant of Gwyneth and instead done a cool story in Torchwood involving the Gelth returning. Maybe they still could. Reanimated dead bodies walking around posessed by Gelth would work loads better in Torchwood.”
“I wish they hadn't said she was an actual descendant of Gwyneth and instead done a cool story in Torchwood involving the Gelth returning. Maybe they still could. Reanimated dead bodies walking around posessed by Gelth would work loads better in Torchwood.”
She didn't, she just said her family name has been in Cardif sence the 17th century.
Originally Posted by NewbieCanuck:
“How many women are a dead ringer for their mother? Almost none. How many are a dead ringer for their great-great-great grandmother?”
“How many women are a dead ringer for their mother? Almost none. How many are a dead ringer for their great-great-great grandmother?”
My wife could almost be the identical twin of one of her ancestors, we found an old photo and it is almost frightening how similar they look.
Originally Posted by Rossby:
“She didn't, she just said her family name has been in Cardif sence the 17th century.”
“She didn't, she just said her family name has been in Cardif sence the 17th century.”
No she doesn't, they question is "Are you from and old Cardiff family", Answer "All the way back to the 1800's", so no mention of family name or 17th century!
Originally Posted by wayland2002:
“ No she doesn't, they question is "Are you from and old Cardiff family", Answer "All the way back to the 1800's", so no mention of family name or 17th century!”
“ No she doesn't, they question is "Are you from and old Cardiff family", Answer "All the way back to the 1800's", so no mention of family name or 17th century!”
I though the 17th Century was the 1800s.
Originally Posted by PorkSausage:
“I though the 17th Century was the 1800s.”
“I though the 17th Century was the 1800s.
”
No, the 1800's is the 19th century, the 17th century is 1600's (English civil war era)
Originally Posted by wayland2002:
“No, the 1800's is the 19th century, the 17th century is 1600's (English civil war era)”
“No, the 1800's is the 19th century, the 17th century is 1600's (English civil war era)”
Whoops. I stand corrected.
Originally Posted by wayland2002:
“My wife could almost be the identical twin of one of her ancestors, we found an old photo and it is almost frightening how similar they look.
No she doesn't, they question is "Are you from and old Cardiff family", Answer "All the way back to the 1800's", so no mention of family name or 17th century!”
“My wife could almost be the identical twin of one of her ancestors, we found an old photo and it is almost frightening how similar they look.
No she doesn't, they question is "Are you from and old Cardiff family", Answer "All the way back to the 1800's", so no mention of family name or 17th century!”
Oh yeah so it is, meh one little thing wrong
Originally Posted by Gogfumble:
“Didn't RTD say that there was no connection between them? Apart from being the same actress of course.”
“Didn't RTD say that there was no connection between them? Apart from being the same actress of course.”
Yep, he did originally when TW first started, but he seems to have backtracked on that, or else forgotten, maybe
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