Interesting the USB is declared as 2.0 and not Hi-Speed, and it's non-functional.

Sounds like a spanner in the works for happy content pirates ...

Whereabouts does it state this information and anyone found the user manual for it yet?

GG

Que? Mine works a treat - uploads any films I record - or did you want it working in reverse? If so why?

On release the 9200T had a bug in that files would often be corrupt when transferred and the transfer rate was glacial. I suppose people are hoping that transfers with the 9300T will not be corrupt and the transfer speed will be much improved.

The 9200 uses nothing like 10W in standbye. Its about 2W.
The main consumers of the power are the Fan & Disk Drive & Processor none of which are doing much in standbye.

I would guess the slightly lower power consumpion of the new maching comes from lower power consumption of the IC's and it may possiblt shut down the displays in standby

THe new machine does not offer a lot over the 9200 which has been out quite a while now. Irts also at last £50 overpricee in my view. Hard disk have got bigger and cheaper since the 9200. The 320Gb disk can be purchased for a lower price then the 160GB disk cost at the time the 9200 came out.

Unless you need a new machine I can see no reason for anyone to buy the new model there are very few benefits and who knows what bugs it may have..

I measured mine at 7W on standby which compares favourably with some other models which are in the 10 - 12W range – details here. My 9200T was from the first batch that arrived in the UK so if yours measures 2W it may be a later revision. What did you use to measure power draw?

My various PCs have consumed 4 to 5W on standby which considering how much more powerful they are does show the PVRs in a bad light. The power supply has a big impact on standby power consumption as well.

http://www.humaxdigital.com/uk/products/pvr-9300t.asp

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http://www.humaxdigital.com/uk/pdf/P...0T_leaflet.pdf

Manual not available yet.

Hi


As already stated in standby the power draw is around 7-8 Watt which is what it is spec'd at.

The high draw in standby is down to nothing other than a rubbish power supply which will be producing around 6.5 watts of heat while the unit needs a watt of electricity.

Humax will have certain regulations it has to comply with now it is producing a new model and one of those will be power consumption in standby, which I believe has a target of < 1 Watt typically in Europe to get the various approvals required. If you have a look at any new models of electrical equipment that has a standby mode power consumption will be less than 1 watt these days, often a lot lower!

The same rules are coming in for chargers for phones etc, which is why more and more come with light (electronic) adapters rather than the heavy brick. These are smart charges with the best ones drawing no current when the item is fully charged or disconnected, unlike a power brick that draws the same power regardless if it has something connected to it or not.

Regards

Phil

So what is the USB connection for if it has no function?

Nothing ...

so we are better of sticking to the 9200T series?

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With due respect this is rubbish. Do this simple test with your “power brick” phone charger. Connect your phone (needing charging) to the charger, plug in and leave it charging for 15 minutes. Feel the charger, it’s warm, this is because the charger is doing work. Most of the power being drawn from the mains is charging your phone battery, but because the charger is not 100% efficient some of that power is wasted and is dissipated as heat in the charger. Unplug the phone and charger and let it cool. Now plug in the charger but this time do not connect the phone, leave it for 15 minutes. Feel the charger, it’s cool, maybe just a hint of warmth. If your statement that I’ve highlighted above was true then the charger should now be dissipating the power that was charging the battery, as well as the small amount of wasted power that was making the charger warm before. If the charger was dissipating that much power it would be very hot indeed. The charger isn’t hot because it is not drawing the same power from the mains that it was when it was charging the phone battery.

This leads me to question whether you are right about your other sweeping statement.

Hi

I emailed Humax about a release date for the 9300t and recieved this reply............

"I believe it is going to be released in the first week of August I don’t know the exact release date though.

Kind Regards

Scarlett"

So hopefully thats correct !!

Got one on pre order with Martin Dawes.

Dave, warm and humid Oldham !

The closest I've come to seeing how HDMI could improve things is feeding my HD Ready LCD through a DVD recorder with HDMI out.

The Humax Scart signal direct- even RGB - direct to my (admittedly cheapo) LCD is vile.
S-Video from the Hummy's Scart is a bit better.

But when the Scart output is fed through my Panasonic DVD recorder and its HDMI output feeds the TV, the transformation is amazing. Truer colours, much finer detail and contrast. A better picture than the Panny's own Freeview tuner! (Sound is far superior too.)

So I reckon the model with HDMI output may be worth waiting for.

Especially if it's £142.80 (Inc. Delivery & VAT) !!!
http://www.24electric.com/detail.php?ProdID=37491951

Doesn’t that just confirm that your TV has a poor quality SCART input and appalling scaling ability! I can’t see that it says anything about the Humax per se.

Ummm........if they are really referring to the 9300T then they have some of the details wrong.

HDMI interface, HDD capacity....

Have sent them a message.

Hi


It is dissipating the same power, but what you assume is that all the power has to be dissipated as heat and have overlooked the fact that a transformer is a big electric magnet, and it's electromagnetic energy as the main output, something you can not see or feel and so don’t notice it being wasted. Some waste heat gets produced creating that electromagnetic energy, and more wasted heat gets created when the electromagnetic energy is converted back to electricity, hence it is hotter when being used.

The primary coil consumes a more or less a constant current, where it uses it to create a magnetic field and due to the inefficient design, some wasted heat.

When you connect a load, the magnetic field now induces a current in the secondary low voltage side, and due to more inefficiencies some of this process creates yet more wasted heat. This can push the temperature up quite a bit depending on the transformer design.

When you have no load connected, a brick power supply still consumes the same amount of electricity as it sits there creating the same magnetic field and heat in the process. It’s cooler because the magnetic field isn’t being used to create a lower voltage power supply, so the electro magnetic energy is just wasted.

This is why phone charges and other gadgets that use old style power bricks are a problem, as people assume if they are not plugged into the equipment they can’t be using much or any power, but they are!

A smart power supply will shut itself down almost completely when no load is connected, consuming around 0.1 of watt or less and will be completely cold.

It certainly isn't a sweeping statement about power bricks and is a well known problem that needs tackling, partly education, mostly producing gadgets with smart power supplies.

Regards

Phil

I think you’ll find that a transformer is one of the most efficient electronic devices available. The electromagnetic field is used to transfer energy from the primary to the secondary and is certainly not the main output of a transformer, the main output is the voltage and current available from the secondary. As far as possible the field is kept within the core and only a small leakage field results in wasted energy. Resistance of the windings also results in wasted energy but nevertheless a transformer still maintains a very high efficiency.

If you’ve got the facility to measure the input current to your “power brick” with and without load then do so and then tell me it’s consuming the same power under both conditions. WARNING, mains voltage is lethal, do not attempt this if you are not competent with electronics.

My results show that my “power brick” charging a Nokia 3510i draws 5 times the current from the mains compared to when the phone is not connected.

Hi

Transformers are very efficient, but that is under the assumption that they are loaded and being used! Smaller transformers of the plug in sort are not so efficient but still around 80%. The point is they are still drawing a considerable amount when nothing is connected to them. , at worse this is the same as when under load, depending on the transformer and it's design. Yes I have tested.

Smart chargers can draw almost nothing at all when not in use, over the entire planet this adds up to a considerable saving, hence brick transformers are being replaced by so called smart chargers. Not sure what your argument is over this? Anyway this is going well off topic.

Regards

Phil

Now that I can agree with you on. As a matter of interest, do you own a 9200?

I am also wondering whether to get a 9200 now or wait for the 9300 ?

I was told by Humax that the USB port at launch will be dead but a future software update will bring it online.

All I'm looking for is a twin tuner PVR with the ability to backup to DVD on the odd occasion that I record something worth keeping (which isn't often).

I wonder which model will be in the new Argos book due out this Saturday ?

Probably.

GG

Hi


Yes.


Mmm, these sorts of statements make me wary. If they are having problems enabling it now for launch, how can they be certain to have it fully operational in the future? Will it be weeks, months or years until it is enabled? There is nothing I can see in writing from Humax to guarantee that this port will ever have a function.

Do we know what chipset the 9300 is using now?

Regards

Phil

I’d also be wary as Humax don’t have a good track record with USB judging from the 9200T.