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Why don't channel4 put a PIN on e4 during the day during 'Big Brother' live? Seeing as they can make reference to Sky Box Office, ON request, etc. , this shouldn't be too hard to get permission for from the ITC should it?
Instead i'm fed up that the shows language content on BB live is edited. That me, an adult, can watch an 18cert. horror film like 'Scream 3' any time I want just by typing in four numbers, yet I can't for 'Big Brother'. What's everyones opinion on this? Does anybody know where the ITC itself stands on the matter of live tv and how much responsibility of the content is the networks? |
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i think they should just show it live and unedited
all the young kids are at school in the day anyway and they are not gonna be up in the middle of the night either and if a parent wants to then they can filter the channel themselves with their own pin... and why are they bothered about the swearing anyway its only a combination of letters why do people find some words so terrible |
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Live and unedited? Be real!
"Kids at school" and "won't be watching overnight" is not an excuse. and why are they bothered about the swearing anyway its only a combination of letters Tell that to parents of a 5 year old kid going to school swearing at the teachers or teaching other kids. What you find acceptable isn't necessarily what other groups of the community do and you have to respect that. Besides, parents shouldn't have to manually check their tv guide for "oh look, better put a filter on that just in case". It's not their job and that's why people like the ITC exist. Although most viewers may be mature enough to shrug off the odd nudity or swearing at 10am, parents will naturally take a dim view. Cheers, Asa |
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I agree that it should be un-censored and this attitude that "because we have kids we need the ITC" Simple solution - don't have any bloody kids (IMHO families with 1 or 2 children are Ok, but those who insisit on having 4 or 5 put a drain on society and I don't see why my hard earned tax should be paid back in child benefit to families with 5 children - now thats off my chest i'll have a gin and tonic)
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Originally posted by asaonline This goes back to the argument of parents who think TV should babysit their kids. What rubbish! Parents should bloody babysit their kids not TV. Although I do agree that we need a TV body which watches the quality etc of TV, I don't think we need to have our kids constantly nannied by the ITC. It's the parents responsibility to know what their kids watch, not the ITC.
Besides, parents shouldn't have to manually check their tv guide for "oh look, better put a filter on that just in case". It's not their job and that's why people like the ITC exist. Although most viewers may be mature enough to shrug off the odd nudity or swearing at 10am, parents will naturally take a dim view. |
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Originally posted by John Doc Now there is an interesting view! As a parent of 4 children and also someone that paid around £20000 in direct taxation last year and heaven knows how much indirect tax, I kind of feel a little upset by these comments. I receive hardly any assistance from you or any other tax payer. In fact how much of my tax goes to help others with less children or no children in our society? Both my wife and I work full time. We pay are own way and being in the high tax band, we receive no tax breaks at all. Child benefit will also be removed from us and others in the higher tax bands by this government during their next term. I would have a gin and tonic now, but I can't afford it!!I agree that it should be un-censored and this attitude that "because we have kids we need the ITC" Simple solution - don't have any bloody kids (IMHO families with 1 or 2 children are Ok, but those who insisit on having 4 or 5 put a drain on society and I don't see why my hard earned tax should be paid back in child benefit to families with 5 children - now thats off my chest i'll have a gin and tonic) Getting back to the theme of the original post, I do not believe in censorship, however I do believe that young children require some protection. The schools are on holiday this week, so children are around during the daytime. Parental controls do not work on my NTL digitalplus STB, so that is not an option. There is a predefined watershed (9pm terrestial and I think 8pm for pay channels) and I believe that is sufficient to protect younger children. If a show wants to show something considered unsuitable by the ITC before the watershed, then they should be allowed to, but with a means of protection such as a PIN number. As an adult, I want to be treated as an adult and not told what I can and cannot watch. However, as a parent, I want the right to decide what my children can and cannot watch. |
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I can't see why E4 can't broadcast a message or write to those subscribers that have e4 saying that you may find the content of this channel over the next few months be objectable to young children, we recommend that you place a pin number on our channel.
In fact you can do this on ITV DIGITAL, NTL DIGITALPLUS, TELEWEST ACTIVE DIGITAL and SKY DIGITAL. To the person who can't on their ntl digital plus service have you tried: 1. Pressing TV GUIDE 2. Select Options or number 4 3. Parental Controls (option 2) 4. Enter your TV Pin Number 5. Select the channels you want to block like E4 6. Press OK 7. Go to E4 And guess what.... You get asked for your TV Pin, and the channel is now blocked to those who do not know your pin number. C.K |
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C.K.
Thanks. I had been informed by NTL that parental controls were not enabled, but have not tried with recent version upgrades. I shall check this evening and let you know if it works or not. T.B. |
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It would not be as bad if they could actually censor the program properly.
Yesterday they censored a conversation about chairs (which was fine cos I heard it 5 min earlier on the un censored net feed) yet let through nudity and quite alot of swearing. The E4 feed is timelapsed so why these things happened is beyond me. Also if the web is uncensored then why not E4. The website is very easily accessable (1million views a day during last series) so why isn't that censored? But then again, we can't hope for a decent stream on E4 if they can't get the sound or interactive elements. |
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What harm did swearing and nudity ever cause anyway?Parents swear infront of their kids alot anyway.Who cares?My dads always telling me filthy jokes but i dont think it has a bad effect.Its bloody harmless!
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Why in the name of flying **** did they censor a conversation about chairs?!?!?!
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Originally posted by Ckingshott1 C.K. Sorry, but I have tested this and I do not have these options. I am ex-cabletel in the N.E. Hants area running version 5.13 on NTL Digitalplus.In fact you can do this on ITV DIGITAL, NTL DIGITALPLUS, TELEWEST ACTIVE DIGITAL and SKY DIGITAL. To the person who can't on their ntl digital plus service have you tried: 1. Pressing TV GUIDE 2. Select Options or number 4 3. Parental Controls (option 2) 4. Enter your TV Pin Number 5. Select the channels you want to block like E4 6. Press OK 7. Go to E4 And guess what.... You get asked for your TV Pin, and the channel is now blocked to those who do not know your pin number. C.K So this is not an option for everyone. T.B. |
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i think this is irrelevant, e4 give sky viewers additional features on their interactive options. so if OnD, SKyD supports Parental Lock, then an option should be given to use it and give NTL the censored version. NTL should get their finger out and enable the Parental Lock option.
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No child should be left watching TV or surfing the Net without addequete Parental Control. If the parents don't know what the child is watching, they shouldn't let the child watch anything.
PIN code protection should be a default on all "adult" channels like Bravo/E4/Trouble. Personally If I was a parent I wouldn't be particuarly bothered with my 10year old watching it, by the time they're 10, they know all the words. I wouldn't let a child under the age of 10 watch TV on their own unless it was within a time when I knew what was on and was unable to change the channel without asking. |
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Trouble!, adult?!? No way. The channel shows teen programmes all day, how is this adult.
The simplist way they could have done it was to offer it as a free pay per view event with an 18 cert. |
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Can i just say that i don't think a PIN system is ever going to happen. I think E4 interests are in using BB to give their channel more exposure rather than to provide a better viewing experience. Already they are starting to "save" coverage for the Channel 4 show. eg Amma,Bubble confronting Paul lsatnight - the camera deliberately stayed away from them but don't worry if E4 missed it
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i hope you're wrong but i have a sad feeling you are right. if so, it is a nice way to thank the people who have subscribed to e4, just for this coverage, some of which have gone to the trouble of subscribing to DTV in the first place.
However this is only the first week, so hopefully we'll see a change in attitude from the producers, hopefully fuelled bu the multitude of complaining e-mail i know have already been sent to e4. |
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Cyberprog-Dont u think your being a bit strict on your kid?He/she is going to hear ppl swearing sooner or later.When they go to secondary school most of their teachers will probly swear like sailors in front of the pupils[happens in my school anyway.My english teacher last year never stopped!]
P.S-Got my school holidays.Hooray! Schhooooooollllls out for summer din din dindidndhn Schoooooolllllssss out for ever! |
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The fact that kids hear swearing at school or when out with friends, does not mean that they need to use it or hear it in the home. It is about teaching kids when it is acceptable to swear and not.
I am sure that many of us adults swear much more in a work environment than a home environment and that is what I like to get through to my kids. It is impossible to stop your kids swearing or to hear swearing, but you can get through to them that there are inappropriate places and times to do it. I never swear in front of my kids, but I am not a prude. I do not believe in censorship, but believe in the right of parents to decide what their kids watch. I do restrict what they watch. I do not let them watch channels I feel inappropriate when I am there and I do not allow them to watch films rated above their ages. However, I cannot be ther all the time and they are quite capable of turning on the TV and using the DVD! T.B. |
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Cyberprog-Dont u think your being a bit strict on your kid?He/she is going to hear ppl swearing sooner or later.When they go to secondary school most of their teachers will probly swear like sailors in front of the pupils[happens in my school anyway.My english teacher last year never stopped!]
Did you not read this bit:Quote:
by the time they're 10, they know all the words
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Originally posted by Tony Boman As a gay couple we actually pay more direct tax than a married couple and my partner tax last year was in the higher earners bracket and between us probably paid more out in tax that you and your partner, yet we don't get any benefits whatsoever. No tax rebates, no lower tax codes NOTHING !
Now there is an interesting view! As a parent of 4 children and also someone that paid around £20000 in direct taxation last year and heaven knows how much indirect tax, I kind of feel a little upset by these comments. I receive hardly any assistance from you or any other tax payer. In fact how much of my tax goes to help others with less children or no children in our society? Both my wife and I work full time. We pay are own way and being in the high tax band, we receive no tax breaks at all. Child benefit will also be removed from us and others in the higher tax bands by this government during their next term. I would have a gin and tonic now, but I can't afford it!! |
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Whats that got to do wif big brother?
The post u quoted from atleast went back ontopic |
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Originally posted by Cyberprog Cyberprog,Did you not read this bit: ? Yes I did read all of your post. I know my children knew all the words when they were 10, if not younger. My point is knowing them does not mean they should be allowed to use them whenver they want or be subjected to them in the home, either by us or TV. So to get this back on subject, I do not believe it would be a problem to have this as a "free" pay-per-view service protected by PIN. This does not stop anyone who wants to see it, but does allow a degree of parental control. The point is that parents would not normally expect a program going out during the daytime to contain bad language. I do not believe most parents want to watch and control their kids TV viewing every minute of the day, so it good to have a watershed. A cut off time when you do not need to worry before the time, but do need to worry after the time. This is not censorship. It does not prevent anyone watching what they want to see. The lack of parental controls on digitalplus is starting to annoy me. I did not have to worry before as I could send my kids to bed before the 9pm watershed, but now I have to worry about daytime TV! T.B. |
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