Ive got them down as Justine, Fed, Sissy, Ray, possibly Tania now although she is reticent and I like her, and Lisa of course.

Jon and Gos can be dignified liggers possibly. Anouska is young and is captivated by it. I doubt the uni course will go ahead as planned (and who cares if she is having fun. She can do it next year)

Nush and Scott like a night out and will be seen occasionally but they have style.

Cam and Steph will be infrequent visitors to the the ligging scene and keep it reasonably tasteful.

Is ligging socially acceptable ? part of me says its a great way of having fun (if it is fun ?) and the other says they are a bunch of generic blands. My initial overview is that its ok but dont expect to be thought of as anything but a ligger. You have to sell your soul Im afraid

This is all vicious gossip and who cares what I think anyway.

To summarise, Justine and Fed and possibly Sissy are generic blands. Tania and Anouska know its wrong(??) but maybe cant help themselves for a while. Ray might grow out of it but its not looking promising. Its all Lisa ever wished for.

You are soooooooo right about Lisa in particular...
"look at me look at me!!" what a distasteful sack she is.
I don't blame the HMs though really, afterall, if you are an HM you've made it to exposure you can only dream of otherwise, then it's up to you to capitalise. I tell you, you have to have very little in the morals dept. to be happy having a C4 film crew film you on the toilet.

Thankfully the american houseguests dont go this way after eviction or i would find that hard to watch.

If i was in charge for BB5 i would find the 12 biggest wannabees and do a BB behind closed doors and i would also include a clause in their contract on page 17 that would not allow them to do any media work whatsoever.

I like the idea of dignified liggers but I dont think Gos has a dignified bone in his body. If his agent tells him to take up every invite he gets as a neccesary step to getting the desired cookery slot, Gos will do it. Problem is he may not be interesting enough for the tabloids to bother mentioning him, especially if Justine is there with her ill fitting clothes and ample body.

I think Jon can afford to be dignified. He doesn't give two hoots about his public profile and has a good career not relient on media coverage. For the others I have some sympathy. They need to be seen at all these events in order to mantain some kind of celebrity, no matter how small. Most of them are still looking for opportunities in the media.....the worst that can happen to them is to be forgotten .

I'll snigger at the liggers, but if I'd the chance I'd do it!

Free food, free booze.....let me at it!

Loving that fresh air!

Personally I don't understand this "ligging" thing at all.

If you're invited somewhere and you graciously accept the invitation why does that make you a "ligger"? I'll have to try that on my guests - except that they'd have me certified. And who could blame them!

Labelling someone a "ligger" has always seemed to me to be a way for the gossip pages of the gutter press to print pictures of people it thinks others will be interested in whilst seeking to convey the impression that they and their readers retain some sort of moral superiority over them! Yeah right.

Absolutely agree, darling.
The snappers go for absolutely anyone who turns up at any vaguely high profile event, the person hasn't got a choice whether he's photographed or not.

How many people on this board, if invited to a premiere or really swish party with loads of free champagne etc, would virtuously sit at home, saying no thanks, I wouldn't want anyone to think I was a ligger.
Ok those parties might get boring after a while and most people stop going to them eventually. But while it's still a novelty, why not?

I don't think anyone accepting an invitation are automatically deemed a ''ligger'', are they? The term is (or should be) reserved for those who are prepared to accept every invitation going in order to raise their public profile by getting their faces seen in the papers, their names in the gossip columns, etc.

Maybe the likes of Justine Sellman & Nick Bateman do genuinely turn up for all these events purely for the social aspect, but I have my doubts.

I can't agree with you there Esterhaus.

I think you have to look at it from their point of view. Imagine you're this poor sod who likes a night out. You're constantly invited to good doos that you particularly fancy attending so you get yourself done up to the nines (at some expense it must be said) and out you go to be sociable with the other beautiful (hopefully) people.

But.......... When you get there there's the harpy from the Sun gossip page or whatever and her photographer with a camera in your face. If you push past, hiding your face and yelling "no photographs" they'll have a field day! You'll be crucified next day in the gutter press. And we'd all have a good laugh too it must be said! There's no way that you'd be congratulated for not being a "ligger"! So you end up smiling through gritted teeth and then they abuse you for being a "ligger" when your picture fills a page of their rag the next day!

The poor sods can't win in my opinion.

Seems a good definition to me. Even if a ligger enjoys his/her nights out, they are still a ligger because (as Esterhaus says) they are prepared to accept every invitation going in order to raise their public profile

But hasn't it got something to do with attitude

You can imagine Justine turning up at a premiere, sticking her t*its out, well they'd be hanging out anyway, doing the 'look at me, I'm famous, beautiful and talented' act, making sure that every photographer got a picture. Don't you think she deserves whatever condemnation she gets ?

It's about dignity, darling, always do it with dignity

Our Alex goes to a lot of premieres, often with some gorgeous blond babe on his arm, a couple of nice pics for Rex, and he's gone. Touch of class, does it with dignity

I'm with Edna.
I'd love to go to a movie premiere mainly cos it'sd be entertaining spotting all the famous people.
What sort of person turns down the opportunity of free food and booze?
The photos and tabloid insults are a fairly small price to pay.

You must know that there's no way I'm going to disagree with you this time.

I agree, if you move in those circles then surely accepting an invitation is nothing more than one of us inviting our friends for dinner. A night out with friends, nothing more and why not, I'd do it.

As swing said, it's a question of discerning what to go to / class.
Now, in that position if I was invited to some poxy party with a few photo opportunities I probably wouldn't go.
However, if it was a film premier that really interested me then in that position I would - a couple of pics, few autographs, see the film I want to before everyone else and a good party after probably with some others you know - why the hell not? Of course I would.
No different in scale to others having a party and inviting their friends.

The ligger thing depends how you regard it I think, a premiere with friends and do the decent thing, or the fifth chance this week to wear a low cut top and pose for the cameras.......attitude, that's all.

At the end of the day, what would the rest of us do?

you really wouldn't want to see me in a low cut top...
i can't help thinking tho' that all these "showbiz" events are arranged by agents, not in the way the likes of me arranges parties.
did edna mention free booze?
count me in

A press photographer told a funny story one time (can't remember the programme it was on though...).

Andrew Ridgely (ex-Wham!) was constantly being papped, and gave the outward impression that it was inconvenient, unnecessary and an invasion of his privacy. The press cottoned onto this. One night, outside Stringfellows, the photographers waited. Out came Andrew with a beautiful girl on his arm and gave the photographers a look of disparagement. Their response? They put their cameras on the ground and turned their backs on him. Apparently he didn't know what to do with himself.
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Well, speaking personally.... I didn't turn down an invite to a gala world premier at the Odeon, Leicester Square... in the 60s.... didn't occur to me to refuse....

Ped, the Ligger

PS. No t*ts hanging out, but...... long slit (that reached the pussy pelmet) up the back of a full length black tight-skirt

Misspent youth....

Pictures please?

Seriously, I'm not really into walking down a red carpet but if I was in those circles, was invited and wanted to see the film - of course I would, who wouldn't, I don't really get this 'ligging' thing - good luck to those who get the chance.

Some people just like going to lots of parties, other people don't.
And not all frequent showbiz party guests are wannabes.
Jarvis Cocker, while both charming and talented, was by his own confession a hopeless ligger, even at the height of his success.
He didn't get famous until his thirties, after spending years trying to make it, and he thought, this is what I've been doing it for, so lets make the most of it.
I think the distinction between Justine and Alex is a bit spurious in this context, and based on the fact that most of you dislike one and not the other.
They are both ex-Big Brother housemates who turn up to things and pose for pictures. Girls tend wear more low cut tops than boys. Big deal.

Justine takes EVERY possible opportunity to be photographed. She has NO standards below which she will not stoop for publicity.....snogging Nick Bateman and showing her fat a*se on holiday(staged photo's) for instance. Alex has never been so desperate or so devoid of personal standards. Please dont mention Alex and that women in the same breath.

BTW....Alex would look better in a low cut top than Justine does. His would fit properly, unlike Justine's 2 sizes too small, overstuffed sofa look.