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Polonius
05-07-2008
I would have done this:

Firstly, there would have been no two Doctors thing, or DoctorDonna, or a prophesy. Also, each character would have played an instrumental role in helping fight the Daleks, but it wouldn't have been quite enough (Davros would pull a masterstroke at the last minute).

The climax comes as Rose gives her life in an act of self sacrifice to save everyone and finish the Daleks for good. She dies in the Doctor's arms and he tells her he loves her before she goes, and that she is extraordinary. She travelled through the dimensions to find him and saved the world at the end of it. As she dies, she asks him to lay her to rest in the stars. Then we see her burial, a beautiful spectacle, full of emotion from all but mainly the Doctor (though struggling to deal with emotion as a Time Lord, it would be a marked change and momentous difference to previous things) and Rose's mother. Rose lies at rest as stardust across the sky.

Martha and Jack bid the Doctor farewell and head back to Torchwood. The Tylers return to their parallel universe and thank the Doctor for everything. He tells them Rose was the most extraordinary woman and they should be proud. Sarah Jane returns to her son.

Then, finally, the Doctor and Donna. They have a heart to heart in her darkened house, and she tells him she's seen it all. She tells him she's finally seen what she wanted from him - emotion. He asks her if she wants to see the universe anymore, but she asks him if there's anything more she can see. He leaves her alone to think in the lounge.

The Doctor finds Wilf and they stand on the edge of his hill, looking up at the stars. Wilf says he always believed in the beyond and the vastness of the world, always. The Doctor takes him up in the TARDIS for a momentary voyage across the stars, and makes his dreams come true of seeing the universe in all its beauty.

Upon their return to the hill, Donna is waiting and she tells him she has loved it, every minute of it, but is going to stay on Earth with her family. Life's too short, and time is precious. The Doctor assures her it is. After an emotional farewell, the Doctor gets into the Tardis and leaves, and Donna puts her arm around Wilf as they watch it disappear away.
Indie Jones
05-07-2008
Your right Rose should have died.. but your ending is too much like last years with Martha leaving
Polonius
05-07-2008
True. But I think it would have worked. Donna was always unhappy that the Doctor couldn't show emotion - but he would and that would have kind of "completed" things for her.

I'm not sure, I just think you know, CT only was doing one series and I'd have preferred a nice ending where Donna decides for herself to say goodbye to him. Not because she loves him like Martha did, because she doesn't, but because her "journey" has reached its natural end. She knows it can't go on forever etc.
Scaramouche
05-07-2008
I'd had killed the half human Doctor off, perhaps sacrificing himself to save the universe in some way. It makes no sense to me for us to have a half Time Lord Doctor with all of the original Doctor's memories and knowledge but capable of genocide trapped on Earth trying to live as a human.

We've already established that the Doctor was never capable of genocide, from Tom Baker refusing to delete the Daleks from existence to the Doctor trying to save Davros in the time war and always offering his enemies a chance.

The new Doctor is fundamentally flawed and leaving him at loose in a universe which the original doesn't have access to is too dangerous to be believable.

Plus that kiss on the beach was wrong in so many ways. Ew.
VideoTapir
05-07-2008
Originally Posted by Scaramoush:
“I'd had killed the half human Doctor off, perhaps sacrificing himself to save the universe in some way. It makes no sense to me for us to have a half Time Lord Doctor with all of the original Doctor's memories and knowledge but capable of genocide trapped on Earth trying to live as a human.

We've already established that the Doctor was never capable of genocide, from Tom Baker refusing to delete the Daleks from existence to the Doctor trying to save Davros in the time war and always offering his enemies a chance.

The new Doctor is fundamentally flawed and leaving him at loose in a universe which the original doesn't have access to is too dangerous to be believable.

Plus that kiss on the beach was wrong in so many ways. Ew.”


I agree the "Doctor-Double" should have been killed off (I thought they were doing that when Davros zapped him, which would have been brilliant after his heroic entrance).

But the Doctor not capable of genocide? I'm not so sure, especially after his Time War experiences. Isn't it implied he effectively destroyed the Daleks (though obviously not permanently) and sacrificed the Time Lords to do so? And hasn't he killed off a fair few species in his time? The Real Doctor even said "Doctor-Double" had the same mindset he had when Rose first met him.
Dormouse
05-07-2008
I would have let Donna die as a hybrid. The Donna he returned her to was just unbearably sad for me. I'm still snivelling!
kendoguk
05-07-2008
i wouldnt have had Dalek Caan turn against his people, i didnt like it at all.
Scaramouche
05-07-2008
Originally Posted by VideoTapir:
“I agree the "Doctor-Double" should have been killed off (I thought they were doing that when Davros zapped him, which would have been brilliant after his heroic entrance).

But the Doctor not capable of genocide? I'm not so sure, especially after his Time War experiences. Isn't it implied he effectively destroyed the Daleks (though obviously not permanently) and sacrificed the Time Lords to do so? And hasn't he killed off a fair few species in his time? The Real Doctor even said "Doctor-Double" had the same mindset he had when Rose first met him.”

That's a fair point, although it's been clear throughout 'new Who' that it's his biggest regret and a terrible burden for him to live with. It didn't seem to occur to the new Doctor that he'd done anything remotely questionnable.

The Doctor was willing to look after the Master as he was his responsibility but left the new Doctor stranded on Earth with Rose with no way of getting back if things did go wrong.

Plus, did I mention how wrong that kiss was?
enero778
05-07-2008
Originally Posted by Polonius:
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Then, finally, the Doctor and Donna. They have a heart to heart in her darkened house, and she tells him she's seen it all. She tells him she's finally seen what she wanted from him - emotion. He asks her if she wants to see the universe anymore, but she asks him if there's anything more she can see. He leaves her alone to think in the lounge.”

I've picked up on one of your posts before because of the great story ideas. I think the part of the quote that I have highlighted would have been a MUCH better way of endings thing than they did.
Polonius
05-07-2008
Originally Posted by enero778:
“I've picked up on one of your posts before because of the great story ideas. I think the part of the quote that I have highlighted would have been a MUCH better way of endings thing than they did.”

Thank you, I really appreciate that. You were one of the people who commented on my Season 5 ideas, I remember that Thanks again for giving your time to read.
Scaramouche
05-07-2008
Also, I wouldn't have resolved the situation aboard the Crucible by having a character pressing keys, pulling levers and dialling dials on a control panel and boasting about her typing skills when the entire ship was built by and for a species which doesn't even have opposable thumbs (apart from Davros who has all the controls he needs built into his chair and was clearly a prisoner himself).

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
kendoguk
05-07-2008
Originally Posted by Scaramoush:
“Also, I wouldn't have resolved the situation aboard the Crucible by having a character pressing keys, pulling levers and dialling dials on a control panel and boasting about her typing skills when the entire ship was built by and for a species which doesn't even have opposable thumbs (apart from Davros who has all the controls he needs built into his chair and was clearly a prisoner himself).

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.”

I was wondering the exact same thing, rather convinient wasnt it.
Callous
05-07-2008
Had the second doctor die. Have Donna/Rose killed by Davros and have him escape with a few Daleks.... with him shouting abuse and laughing while the Doc holds Donna's/Rose's body in his arms (an Empire strikes back ending that would really set davros up as the big bad). Then just the usuals goodbyes.
Polonius
06-07-2008
Originally Posted by Callous:
“Had the second doctor die. Have Donna/Rose killed by Davros and have him escape with a few Daleks.... with him shouting abuse and laughing while the Doc holds Donna's/Rose's body in his arms (an Empire strikes back ending that would really set davros up as the big bad). Then just the usuals goodbyes.”

Pretty good I agree Rose should have perished, tbh.
Vennegoor
06-07-2008
Originally Posted by Polonius:
“Pretty good I agree Rose should have perished, tbh.”

Agree 100%, the only solution that was honest IMO. The ending tonight was a mishmash of false emotion.
::Adam::
06-07-2008
I liked the ending they did, only i wish Donna went off in the Tardis too!
solenoid
06-07-2008
I would have ended it with a musical number featuring Davros, the Doctor and the Dalek can-can babes.
uknewyorkgiants
06-07-2008
I Think The Supreme Darlek Should Of Got Away With Devros
MuttleyMerthyr
06-07-2008
Originally Posted by solenoid:
“I would have ended it with a musical number featuring Davros, the Doctor and the Dalek can-can babes.”

Dav Ross and the Supremes
thenetworkbabe
06-07-2008
Doctor regenerates as Doctor DT and new Doctor . DT has lost powers when dying.

DT goes off with Rose to her reality.

New Doctor goes off with CT . Continuing companion helps establish new Doctor. Avoids all the nonsense about Donna-Doctor and pages of techno babble.

Donna can save the day or Rose.....or K9 ....Or rewrite Caen clearly so he sees the light and destroys the daleks

Get rid of the nonsense about events being manipulated by Caen. Goddess Rose is perfectly capable of doing it all, has turned up in Canton already and has the motive. If you want a controlling character make the story credible.

Give the DT Doctor a surprise - a new if simpler TARDIS courtesy of Rose's UNIT .........

Cut to new Doctor CT in travel and start of Xmas story.

What we had made too little sense in places and was almost entirely decided by who was staying (DT, Martha, Mickey) who was going (CT) and who was too big to come back full time (Rose) Its script writing by casting not the other way around. Its all basically caused by people going earlier than they should or not going only when the right people were available to replace them or going out of phase with their companion.
thenetworkbabe
06-07-2008
Originally Posted by Polonius:
“I would have done this:

Firstly, there would have been no two Doctors thing, or DoctorDonna, or a prophesy. Also, each character would have played an instrumental role in helping fight the Daleks, but it wouldn't have been quite enough (Davros would pull a masterstroke at the last minute).

The climax comes as Rose gives her life in an act of self sacrifice to save everyone and finish the Daleks for good. She dies in the Doctor's arms and he tells her he loves her before she goes, and that she is extraordinary. She travelled through the dimensions to find him and saved the world at the end of it. As she dies, she asks him to lay her to rest in the stars. Then we see her burial, a beautiful spectacle, full of emotion from all but mainly the Doctor (though struggling to deal with emotion as a Time Lord, it would be a marked change and momentous difference to previous things) and Rose's mother. Rose lies at rest as stardust across the sky.

Martha and Jack bid the Doctor farewell and head back to Torchwood. The Tylers return to their parallel universe and thank the Doctor for everything. He tells them Rose was the most extraordinary woman and they should be proud. Sarah Jane returns to her son.

Then, finally, the Doctor and Donna. They have a heart to heart in her darkened house, and she tells him she's seen it all. She tells him she's finally seen what she wanted from him - emotion. He asks her if she wants to see the universe anymore, but she asks him if there's anything more she can see. He leaves her alone to think in the lounge.

The Doctor finds Wilf and they stand on the edge of his hill, looking up at the stars. Wilf says he always believed in the beyond and the vastness of the world, always. The Doctor takes him up in the TARDIS for a momentary voyage across the stars, and makes his dreams come true of seeing the universe in all its beauty.

Upon their return to the hill, Donna is waiting and she tells him she has loved it, every minute of it, but is going to stay on Earth with her family. Life's too short, and time is precious. The Doctor assures her it is. After an emotional farewell, the Doctor gets into the Tardis and leaves, and Donna puts her arm around Wilf as they watch it disappear away.”

Rose can't die. Apart from the fan reaction it leaves the Dr miserable just as he was at the start of series one and still unable to move on to another companion. It also proves Davros's point that while the Dr is talking his pacifist nonsense the humans are dying all around to save him - which is the problem with all pacifists but not the point RTD wants to make.
zounds
06-07-2008
After the Daleks had been disabled, the Judoon should have turned up and taken them all into custody.
Butterflyy
06-07-2008
No Rose dying. She just goes home and marries Micky
jenzie
06-07-2008
Originally Posted by zounds:
“After the Daleks had been disabled, the Judoon should have turned up and taken them all into custody.”

now this would have worked for me, as the SP didn't really like part of the story, it would have given them a finallity in it ..... as well as them carting off old iron pants off to the clink (with optional freezing unit) .....

but DW would have some sympathy for caan and took him off in the tardis too!!!

CAAN FOR COMPANION DAMMIT
Oreo
06-07-2008
Instead of giving Rose Doctor No.2, he should have given her some correctly-fitting teeth.
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