Palace Supporters Thread
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i'm no fan of his but i find it weird that we're loaning out players when our own squad is on the thin side. 
Reported line-up for today's match and there's no Ambrose!
Speroni, Clyne, Wright, Davis, McCarthy, Danns, Vaughan, Garvan, Zaha, N'Diaye, Marrow.
Subs: Dorman, Price, Cadogan, Djilali, O'Keefe, Obika, Counago.
Speroni, Clyne, Wright, Davis, McCarthy, Danns, Vaughan, Garvan, Zaha, N'Diaye, Marrow.
Subs: Dorman, Price, Cadogan, Djilali, O'Keefe, Obika, Counago.
ambrose out with a slight hamstring strain. a huge loss for us.
suddenly i'm not looking forward to the game as much.
suddenly i'm not looking forward to the game as much.
useless at the back.
useless up front.
Garvan is a moron.
Davis is incapable of defending well for 90 mins.
Burley is totally inept with substitutions.
only bright thing was O'Keefe.
useless up front.
Garvan is a moron.
Davis is incapable of defending well for 90 mins.
Burley is totally inept with substitutions.
only bright thing was O'Keefe.
Or to put it another way, a game completely ruined by some of the worst refereeing I've ever seen.
Truly, truly dreadful officials.
Truly, truly dreadful officials.
Despite how much I love the sport there are days when I despise football for its cruelty. Yesterday was one of those days.
First of all Joooe is spot on about the officials, they were shockingly bad. But we continue to be the instigators of our own downfalls... I've now lost count of the amount of stupid red cards we've had this season and how many penalties we have given away.
Garvan is an idiot. He had already been told to button it a few minutes earlier by the ref but still decided to throw abuse at him after the ludicrous penalty decision.
Davis is a clutz and that will never change. He was actually having a stormer but you knew, you just knew he was going to make some kind of huge error at some point and lo' & behold, he did.
And Tusk is right to mention Burley. For a manager with such experience he is showing anything but. After battling to a 2-1 lead and being put under huge pressure we needed a tactical change. One of the strikers had to come off for a midfielder to tighten things up as we were clearly getting overrun but instead he did nothing, I just couldn't believe that.
The two stand-out things for me were Speroni, who quite simply, along with Nigel Martyn is the best 'keeper we've ever had. And O'Keefe who looked composed and comfortable on the ball when he came on.
Overall, you cannot fault the effort but the bigger problems are there for us all to see. We have major problems defensively and clearly lack a cutting edge in the final third. Burley HAS to rectify this in January otherwise we can kiss goodbye to 33 consecutive years in the top 2 divisions.
First of all Joooe is spot on about the officials, they were shockingly bad. But we continue to be the instigators of our own downfalls... I've now lost count of the amount of stupid red cards we've had this season and how many penalties we have given away.
Garvan is an idiot. He had already been told to button it a few minutes earlier by the ref but still decided to throw abuse at him after the ludicrous penalty decision.
Davis is a clutz and that will never change. He was actually having a stormer but you knew, you just knew he was going to make some kind of huge error at some point and lo' & behold, he did.
And Tusk is right to mention Burley. For a manager with such experience he is showing anything but. After battling to a 2-1 lead and being put under huge pressure we needed a tactical change. One of the strikers had to come off for a midfielder to tighten things up as we were clearly getting overrun but instead he did nothing, I just couldn't believe that.
The two stand-out things for me were Speroni, who quite simply, along with Nigel Martyn is the best 'keeper we've ever had. And O'Keefe who looked composed and comfortable on the ball when he came on.
Overall, you cannot fault the effort but the bigger problems are there for us all to see. We have major problems defensively and clearly lack a cutting edge in the final third. Burley HAS to rectify this in January otherwise we can kiss goodbye to 33 consecutive years in the top 2 divisions.
Originally Posted by Sattrega:
“Despite how much I love the sport there are days when I despise football for its cruelty. Yesterday was one of those days.
First of all Joooe is spot on about the officials, they were shockingly bad. But we continue to be the instigators of our own downfalls... I've now lost count of the amount of stupid red cards we've had this season and how many penalties we have given away.
Garvan is an idiot. He had already been told to button it a few minutes earlier by the ref but still decided to throw abuse at him after the ludicrous penalty decision.
Davis is a clutz and that will never change. He was actually having a stormer but you knew, you just knew he was going to make some kind of huge error at some point and lo' & behold, he did.
And Tusk is right to mention Burley. For a manager with such experience he is showing anything but. After battling to a 2-1 lead and being put under huge pressure we needed a tactical change. One of the strikers had to come off for a midfielder to tighten things up as we were clearly getting overrun but instead he did nothing, I just couldn't believe that.
The two stand-out things for me were Speroni, who quite simply, along with Nigel Martyn is the best 'keeper we've ever had. And O'Keefe who looked composed and comfortable on the ball when he came on.
Overall, you cannot fault the effort but the bigger problems are there for us all to see. We have major problems defensively and clearly lack a cutting edge in the final third. Burley HAS to rectify this in January otherwise we can kiss goodbye to 33 consecutive years in the top 2 divisions.”
“Despite how much I love the sport there are days when I despise football for its cruelty. Yesterday was one of those days.
First of all Joooe is spot on about the officials, they were shockingly bad. But we continue to be the instigators of our own downfalls... I've now lost count of the amount of stupid red cards we've had this season and how many penalties we have given away.
Garvan is an idiot. He had already been told to button it a few minutes earlier by the ref but still decided to throw abuse at him after the ludicrous penalty decision.
Davis is a clutz and that will never change. He was actually having a stormer but you knew, you just knew he was going to make some kind of huge error at some point and lo' & behold, he did.
And Tusk is right to mention Burley. For a manager with such experience he is showing anything but. After battling to a 2-1 lead and being put under huge pressure we needed a tactical change. One of the strikers had to come off for a midfielder to tighten things up as we were clearly getting overrun but instead he did nothing, I just couldn't believe that.
The two stand-out things for me were Speroni, who quite simply, along with Nigel Martyn is the best 'keeper we've ever had. And O'Keefe who looked composed and comfortable on the ball when he came on.
Overall, you cannot fault the effort but the bigger problems are there for us all to see. We have major problems defensively and clearly lack a cutting edge in the final third. Burley HAS to rectify this in January otherwise we can kiss goodbye to 33 consecutive years in the top 2 divisions.”
i agree with all that especially the bit about burley. i think that is what cost us the game in the end. tactically he is proving to be quite inept at times.
we fought hard but i never felt for one moment that we would hold out at 2-1 up with 2 strikers on the pitch and a gaping hole in midfield. and that says it all really...
And in another world, Burley makes changes, they still get given 2 goals and Burley's at fault for going too defensive.
When 4 out of 5 goals in a game are a direct result of a questionable referee decision, it really can't be looked past. We'll never know how we would have done, were it not for those officials.
When 4 out of 5 goals in a game are a direct result of a questionable referee decision, it really can't be looked past. We'll never know how we would have done, were it not for those officials.
Originally Posted by Joooe:
“And in another world, Burley makes changes, they still get given 2 goals and Burley's at fault for going too defensive.
When 4 out of 5 goals in a game are a direct result of a questionable referee decision, it really can't be looked past. We'll never know how we would have done, were it not for those officials.”
“And in another world, Burley makes changes, they still get given 2 goals and Burley's at fault for going too defensive.
When 4 out of 5 goals in a game are a direct result of a questionable referee decision, it really can't be looked past. We'll never know how we would have done, were it not for those officials.”
Bad decisions from officials can't be legislated for like an unexpected injury or a sending off. What can be is how the manager reacts to that.
We got ourselves into a position of being 2-1 up against the run of play and under immense pressure. Regardless of the referee's decisions up to that point it was then that Burley needed to change things tactically to protect our lead. He didn't. So, we remained under huge pressure with two strikers up the field and a gap remained where Garvan had been.
Don't get me wrong, I'm fully behind Burley (at the moment) but that was a mistake IMO. Obviously the outcome may have still been the same but an extra midfielder on the pitch helping our back four for the last 20 minutes surely would have made more sense then leaving two up front?
Originally Posted by Sattrega:
“We got ourselves into a position of being 2-1 up against the run of play and under immense pressure. Regardless of the referee's decisions up to that point it was then that Burley needed to change things tactically to protect our lead. He didn't. So, we remained under huge pressure with two strikers up the field and a gap remained where Garvan had been. ”
“We got ourselves into a position of being 2-1 up against the run of play and under immense pressure. Regardless of the referee's decisions up to that point it was then that Burley needed to change things tactically to protect our lead. He didn't. So, we remained under huge pressure with two strikers up the field and a gap remained where Garvan had been. ”
the ref's decisions didn't help matters but that's where Burley
blew it. easy to say in hindsight but it was a ridiculous
decison leaving 2 strikers on once we got the
lead. but it's not the first time that he has got it wrong
tactically.
anyway it's done now. hopefully we get things right on
Saturday.
Originally Posted by Tusk0312:
“anyway it's done now. hopefully we get things right on
Saturday.”
“anyway it's done now. hopefully we get things right on
Saturday.”
Indeed. Fingers crossed Ambrose is back.
speroni has been given a final contract offer.
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would love him to stay but can't see it happening.
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would love him to stay but can't see it happening.
I would be amazed to see Jules still with us come February 1st. To be honest he has been a great servant and deserves his shot at the Premiership. No-one could begrudge him that if offers do come in for him in January.
i'd also be shocked to see Speroni stay. another big problem for us
then would be his replacement.
Neil Danns has spoken out about his contract talks.
Link.
then would be his replacement.
Neil Danns has spoken out about his contract talks.
Link.
Originally Posted by Sattrega:
“I would be amazed to see Jules still with us come February 1st. To be honest he has been a great servant and deserves his shot at the Premiership. No-one could begrudge him that if offers do come in for him in January.”
“I would be amazed to see Jules still with us come February 1st. To be honest he has been a great servant and deserves his shot at the Premiership. No-one could begrudge him that if offers do come in for him in January.”
I agree with that 100%
He is better than at least half the keepers in the premier league and deserves his chance.
Big game today. The line-up...
1. Julian Speroni; 2. Nathaniel Clyne; 3. David Wright; 4. Claude Davis; 7. Darren Ambrose(c); 8. Neil Danns; 9. James Vaughan; 16. Wilfried Zaha; 30. Alex Marrow; 31. Anthony Gardner; 32. Pablo Counago
Subs: 13. Lewis Price; 6. Adam Barrett; 11. Andrew Dorman; 21. Kieran Djilali; 25. Alassane N'Diaye; 28. Stuart O'Keefe; 29. Jonathan Obika
1. Julian Speroni; 2. Nathaniel Clyne; 3. David Wright; 4. Claude Davis; 7. Darren Ambrose(c); 8. Neil Danns; 9. James Vaughan; 16. Wilfried Zaha; 30. Alex Marrow; 31. Anthony Gardner; 32. Pablo Counago
Subs: 13. Lewis Price; 6. Adam Barrett; 11. Andrew Dorman; 21. Kieran Djilali; 25. Alassane N'Diaye; 28. Stuart O'Keefe; 29. Jonathan Obika
that was a good win. Donny are no pushovers.
still in the bottom 3 but points wise we are in amongst the pack
just above us now.
still in the bottom 3 but points wise we are in amongst the pack
just above us now.
Played well all-round.
Especially Counago playing just behind the strikers. He really looked good today and it worked great.
Especially Counago playing just behind the strikers. He really looked good today and it worked great.
had to work hard for the victory and it was a good win.
nice to get the clean sheet also...
tough one next week up at leeds. but we really need to pick up our away form now...
nice to get the clean sheet also...
tough one next week up at leeds. but we really need to pick up our away form now...
an ok tie. would have prefered it at selhurst but at least it gives us a weekend where we don't have to worry about our league form and position.
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