Atmosphere, pacing, script, acting.

or smash bang wallop.

Thats what I'm talking about.

the Brain of Morbus suffers like many old who stories, over acting. I still love it, but it has its faults like the new stuff.

No offense, but I think if you have watched all of the new series and are now saying they are all crap, then you only saying so to be controversial. If from 'Rose' you have thought it bad, why commit to watching it all?

All of the stories I mentioned in my previous post have "Atmosphere, pacing, script, acting" rather than "SMASH BANG WALLOP". I could easily point to Earthshock which is pretty much SMASH BANG WALLOP with pantomime baddies.

Pull your head out of where it don't shine mate.

You come across as a complete self righteous prat.

Thanks Kaylan. As I mentioned, I did post my own ranty post elsewhere and copied it over here as it seemed appropriate.

SanSiro had the grace to respond to my ranting, and I understand what she/he was getting at now.

I just generally find fandom always seems to latch onto some rose-tinted view of what went before, as if it held all the answers for what a particular show and/or franchise can offer. There's always room for a new spin on things and it should be given a chance. I can't stand this rubbishing out of hand because it just doesn't sit well with peoples own personal expectations.

There, I hope that didn't come across as too self righteous. Back on topic, what are your thoughts?

The trouble with Doctor Who is its now been turned into a soap opera, its all lovely dovey relationships, hugs, kissing and simplistic plots etc.

This is why it now gets ratings similar to Coronation Street and Eastenders as its copied the same elements that make those two shows popular. Heck it even has most of its actors from Coronation Street and Eastenders.

Doctor Who is very mind numbing these days, I just hope that once Steven Moffat takes over he will bring a bit of substance back to the show. (fingers crossed)

* sniggers *

Did Nation actually succeed in writing a good Who story?

'Death To The Daleks' I enjoyed more by accident, and 'Genesis' had Robert Holmes's fingerprints all over it.

Nice to get yet another rant against New Who where the poster draws from the same shortlist of a dozen or so classics that fans generally agree on, forgetting that the vast majority of the original run was nothing like that.

Why can't we have someone arguing that New Who is crap, pointing to, I dunno, 'The Mutants' or 'The Creature From The Pit' or 'Four To Doomsday' or 'Battlefield' as what Who is *really* all about?

You wouldn't feel like you were going over the same ground over and over then...

'Pyramids Of Mars' is riddled with plot-holes and has a horrible deus ex machina ending.

Regards,

Cypher

i don't know... the human experience was always something the classic show never really captured. maybe thats why it ended up being as dry as it was, i don't know. i'm not a purist.

whilst the addition of a family unit to Who can be seen as soapy, it helped new viewers get a handle on the show. i don't think that approach will be needed again in the future, now that the show is established.

having said that, at the end of POTW, i did find myself wondering what Jackie and Mickey would make of the regenerated Doctor. I came to care about those characters as much as The Doctor and Rose. It also showed the consequences of disappearing off the face of the earth for long periods of time would have on your family. i liked that touch of reality.

and anyway, if that sort of soapy approach works for the likes of Buffy, Angel and Heores - why not Who?

I watched that for the first time a few weeks on my partners video, and remember saying to her "I'll never complain about a deus ex machina ending in New Who again".

Whilst that was seemingly a bold, and in retrospect untrue, statement, the point stands.

Heeyy... That one's quite good.
Oh....That one really isn't.

So basically what the OP is saying, all old who is great, all new who is crap?

My opinion on it all is that while i look forward to watching all new who, and find that there are many storylines, the majority of old who all feels the same, with very little plot.

I'm glad you liked it, Histy.

For me, it was like watching something I loved being repeatedly beaten with a baseball bat, then run over by a car.


I actually have a bit of a soft spot for 'The Mutants'. Admittedly, the actual thing was a massive let-down from the excellent Target novelisation, but still...

Regards,

Cypher

Dammit, am I the only person who clicked onto this thread hoping that Doctor Who exposed was more to do with naked David Tennant from Saturday night? Sigh...
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LOL no it did not, even made me smile.

My thoughts are as thus.

I have had issues with the current incarnation of the show. I have aired my opinions at the time. But overall I am glad that it is back. On the whole RTD and co have done a fantastic job.

As far as I am concerned, new and old who are one and the same, there are stories from every DR that I can not stand to watch because they are bad for whatever reason, IMO.

I find in hard on DS and OG that you are no allowed to say that you disliked a particular episode without somebody jumping down your throat and saying how bad a poster/person you are.

I disagree. I think Simon makes some excellent points in a very well balanced manner.

And I wholeheartedly agree with the 'If you don't like it turn it off' advice.

Oh and Chrissi - That was why I came in here first off too

Hey Kaylan

I too run with the bits I like, and forget (as much as I can) the bits that are bad. Some of the threads on here, I think, get well out of hand and do become very poisonous attacks on people, which I hate. I like reasoned discussion - like this - its much more satisfying!

Regards

Simon

Bless you Gerri P

I don't like the old "if you don't like it turn it off" argument on the strength of one or two episodes, but if someone hasn't enjoyed it in four years then why are they subjecting themselves to this torture every week, why don't they just watch a dvd or something instead?

If you say so.

Agreed sir! (tips hat in a gentlemanly fashion)

You may have come for that reason....I came because I thought this thread was going to reveal some seedy affair that has been taking place on Doctor Who...I don't know...something like getting fans to call a number and charging them extortionaly...I mean a lot of programmes have been exposed recently of doing this...I thought maybe the good Doctor had as well

Ah well no such deception then

As to the point of the thread...well as a fan of both new and old...and I have the new Who to thank for this...I see that there are successes and failuires in both...but on a personal note I tend to enjoy and take something away from each story/episode...and for me its more better and more interesting thing on TV than other things that are on that box....

But maybe its because I have been brought up on Indian films and Soaps that I know things can be really bad...trust me despite my fears of the Kandyman, I rather watch him than any of those Indian soaps my family are obessed with....

The fact that I even enjoy the not so good things about Who, knowing that it can be better and that my life hasn't ended because of a particular bad thing *cough*Abzorbaloff*cough*...does that make me a non-fan????

You see that's the bit which never really rang true with me in the first two series. I never understood why when the Doctor had a time machine he always insisted on leaving month-long gaps every time he visited the Tylers. Aliens of London was an accident, but after that?

Fortunately the last two series haven't overdone that whole thing.

It's all about a happy medium though. Look at Tegan's shocking character development in Logopolis and then say that the current series is too soapy.

I love Doctor Who, all of it. Its escapism, with lots of scary bits, sad bits, running bits, funny, great story bits. I can watch it with the family, its perfect early evening viewing and will miss it until the next one. Its harmless entertainment that entertains me. I never notice any errors as Im so absorbed in watching it. If it didn't I would switch off.

my biggest problem with Doctor who is he wants to save everyone, daleks, davros, the master, the old who wanted them all DEAD

Ecclestone never did, I think that's meant to be a deliberate flaw with Tennant's Doctor.

I agree with the creator of this posting. Dr Who has gone down hill. I hardly watch the new series, but did get to see the 2nd part this weekend. Total rubbish. It has no substance to the stories. Where has British Sci Fi ? Yes the sets were bad in the classic Dr Who series but the stories were good quality. To mush graphics a special effects. Why do we keep tring to be like American TV? KEEP DR WHO BRITISH.