It was shocking because there was no development!

She began as a plank of wood, and finished up that way.

And Janet Fielding was just horrendous in that tale.

She just stands there on set, almost starring into space wondering what to do.

But in one scene, she's full of intensity and intrepidation, just waiting for the director to wave at her wildly from behind the camera, so she knows it's the right time to run in shouting 'YOU REVOLTING MAN!'

It probably took over 200 takes for Peter Grimwade to get her to synchronise the drop in her gaze at the Doctor's fall within 1 second of Sutton and Waterhouse.

Tegan was a good character, but this was brought out by writers such as Christopher Bailey, who actually gave her something to do, something she could work with.

To Bidmead, she was just another cipher, a reluctant script addition overshadowed by reams and reams of techno-gibberish.

Regards,

Cypher

*yawn*

Did you have to tell us you don't like doctor who anymore, was it really that importnant?

sorry but i had to get my two penneth in, before i start im not young, i was just about around when bill hartnell was the nasty mean DOCTOR, i loved the old series, yes even the shaky sets thin plots to keep the daleks there, and rubbish acting, but the new series is up to date and plays on peoples emotions, most of the time except for mean spirited people giving spoilers, i cannot wait for a saturday night, so all that said i am a true fan.

now my point, if anyone out there cannot see the sheer brilliance of episodes like blink, the doctor dances and utopia(yes utopia) then i feel sad for them, the biggest statement anyone made on this thread was, do you have an off button?????????????? if so use it for heavens sake, my grandchildren will grow up with who like i did, and i feel safe in the knowledge we will have common ground with thier parents, in that we all love(d) our respective who era.

if i offended anyone i apologise but cant bear to see killjoys annoying peeps

He may have ruined Dr Who for you but what gives your point of view priority over the vast majority of viewers who enjoy it. My advice is that you don't watch it.

LOL, I think David (as a big supporter of the show) intended his comment a little tongue-in-cheek.

Regards,

Cypher

I'm the same as you. I've watched Dr Who from its earliest days, and loved Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker and Peter Davison in the role of Dr Who. I lost interest after that until RTD revived show. I agree with you that 'Blink' was amazing as were the 'Library' episodes in this series. Steven Moffet is imo a better writer of science fiction than RTD and his virtual reality story was compared to the writing of the great Philip K Dick. With him at the helm the show can only get better. In my eyes the biggest mistake RTD made was to bring back Rose which was pure self indulgence. The series finale could have been achieved without bringing in another universe. For David Tennant, Catherine Tate (who I took a while to warm to) and lovely Bernard Cribbins, I have nothing but praise.

I'm glad to hear it. Serves me right for coming in on the end of something, but there does seem to be an awful lot of negativity here.

Welcome to the DS Doctor Who forum!

Despite all the negativity, we do all secretly love every minute of it.

Regards,

Cypher

I disagree with almost every word of this post.

No TV series can ever be "perfect" and New-Who certainly isn't.

However, I can honestly say that the last four years of Who have produced some of the best moments of TV I have ever seen.

In many cases, they are literally just moments e.g. the "hologram" scene in The Parting of the Ways or John Smith's alternative life in The Family of Blood to name just two.

To argue that "...the whole franchise has become a badly written joke" is simply wrong and you must appreciate that Doctor Who since 2005 has given an awful lot of people an awful lot of pleasure and long may it continue (and given the ratings and critical aclaim, it will!)

So no doubt you must have watched every episode of the new series' to come to this opinion. What an insult to Terry Nation that is!

Perhaps you'd better put back on your rose (no pun intended) tinted spectacles and go off to watch your Bonny Langford episodes and Trial of a Time Lord box set and leave the new series to those that appreciate both new and old series.

Well said.

Agreed.

You can just see Tennant invite Sutekh into the Tardis while Catherine Tate makes some stupid joke about her shorthand in Egyptian hieroglyphics.

I'm not joking.

Don't worry, no one's laughing.

It's sickening, isn't it?

Back in the day, the Doctor was a *far* more effective killing machine.

From Pertwee's lethal Venusian death grip, to Troughton's wooden recorder with the poison darts, and Hartnell with his trusty chainsaw, the Whos of yesteryear were a formidable force, scything down the opposition until the very walls of the TARDIS were splattered with blood, sinew and bone.

Pertwee could barely disguise his glee as the Brigadier ordered the explosion that would entomb the Silurians in their base - if memory recalls, he had the distinction of being the one to press the button.

Equally, I'll never forget Tom's insane and maniacal laughter as he threw Harrison Chase into the grinding machine, nor the delight he showed when Noah self-destructed the Wirrn escape vessel.

That's the *Who* I want to see back. The one who'll put a bullet between the bad guys' eyes before they even realise he's there.

Regards,

Cypher

Oh dear oh dear, here we go again!
I'm not taking sides here, I believe that all shades of opinion are valid if they can be backed up by justification evidence for why those opinions are held. At the end of the day much is always going to be completely subjective in this case though, which is why the opinions of others should always be respected, even if not accepted.

Having said that, I don't know if this opinion has been aired before, and I think that this is a good time for me to get something off my chest.

I believe that there are some fans of the so-called "classic" Doctor Who who actually resent the success of the 21st century incarnation of the programme.
Being a DW fan was almost a guilty forbidden pleasure for the best part of 20 years, including the dying days of the original series, which was fast passing out of mainstream interest.

I almost hesitate to use the word "clique" but that is what much of DW fandom had I'm afraid become. A group of fans holding on to something which had gone into the past, and never looked like becoming a mainstream force ever again.
People endlessly said that they wanted DW to return to TV, but as is often the case, when they finally got what they said they wanted, it just wasn't right any more.

Millions and millions of people suddenly became DW fans. Being a DW fan suddenly wasn't "special" any more. I think that some people resented that, and that's why they are picking holes in the current incarnation of DW at every opportunity, in a "something that popular must have something wrong with it" sort of way.

I'm not saying that their criticisms aren't valid in many cases, I've made many myself, and there are plenty of individual things in all episodes that I could criticise and justify that criticism. However I wish that some of the people (no names!) who are making sweeping generalisations about the perceived poor quality of the new series as a whole would just stop and think, and ask themselves why their attitude is so negative.

That's my rant over!

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Indeed it was And I am a big supporter of the show..with the big exceptin of Love and Monster!!!!

lol don´t worry. And there is a lot of negavity but mainly from just one poster in this thread who is entitled to their opinion but in my view is seeing New Who through very blinkered eyes and Old Who through very rose tinted glasses!

Um...as the champion on this forum of Old Who over New Who have you forgotten how in the majority of those stories the Doctor tried to solve things through peaceful means?

Pertwee was forever locking horns with the Brigadier over his "shoot first ask questions later approach". Remember his horror when UNIT sealed the Silurians in?

And what about Davison´s Doctor´s despair at the end of "WArriors of the Deep" as every Silurian and Sea Devil lay dead. The episode actually ended on him saying "There should have been another way"
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I love how you just ignore all of the valid points.

Well, you're first post has earned you a place on my ignore list :yawn:

Do you know, i think I agree with that. i hate exclusivity. whats the point? i like that so many new people have come to Who again - it deserves to be a success. RTD is right about the "vocal minority". one of my other little 'likes' is Transformers, which has gone through so many permutations in its 20 odd year history. I don't like all the things that have been done to the franchise (and the fanbase there is way more prickly and seemingly given to be up in arms at the drop of a hat), but its all been done with the intention of keeping the property vital and alive (and er, to sell more toys, obviously). Something I believe has been done with Who - and why not? it shouldn't 'belong' to anyone.

aw come on! logopolis and castrovalva arent all that bad...

Arrrgh... Zombie thread. Run for your lives!

LMAO! Just when you think they're dead...

Regrds,

Cypher

Arghhhhh I did it again!!!! I forgot what this thread was about, so I clicked on it thinking that this may have some big scandal revealed....I don't maybe there is an MP out there who has been using his expenses to fund the Dalek plunger????????