N95 wi-fi free?

Yeah you could, but be aware, the N95 is a pretty old phone now, and is going to be discontinued soon.

The N96 is the replacement, or you could look at an iPhone if you're really wanting to get the latest, greatest handset! Which will also surf on your home wifi, and has a much better web experience than the n95 which is a bit fiddly.

However keep in mind that the iPhone is a touchscreen, and isn't to many people's tastes - the N95 has normal buttons. Plus it's pretty much untested so far whereas the N95 is proven to work fine now. The camera on the iPhone is pretty awful (2 year old technology) and the N95 has one of the best cameras on the market at the moment with regards to phones.

The N95 isn't fiddly at all and the wi-fi works perfectly well, as long as you're in an area with free wi0fi access then it won't cost you a thing. If you're at home ensure you have a wireless router and the network password as well otherwise you'll be locked out.

If you do go for the N95, make sure it's the 8gb model.

thickinthehead · 13-07-2008, 14:58

I have also wondered about the N96, however, as I have learnt that the N95 had firmware issues, I wondered if getting a phone when it is just out would be a good idea? Or would they have sorted the issues out without the need for later updates?

Plus, I wasn't sure if I would be able to get the N96 for free with a contract for about £30?

chocolate_boy · 13-07-2008, 15:06

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However keep in mind that the iPhone is a touchscreen, and isn't to many people's tastes - the N95 has normal buttons. Plus it's pretty much untested so far whereas the N95 is proven to work fine now. The camera on the iPhone is pretty awful (2 year old technology) and the N95 has one of the best cameras on the market at the moment with regards to phones.

The N95 isn't fiddly at all and the wi-fi works perfectly well, as long as you're in an area with free wi0fi access then it won't cost you a thing. If you're at home ensure you have a wireless router and the network password as well otherwise you'll be locked out.

If you do go for the N95, make sure it's the 8gb model.

Yeah I hear that argument about the camera all the time, but to be honest its always seemed a bit dumb to me. Unless you use your mobile-phone as your main primary camera, its a bit of a strange argument.

The iPhone camera is fine for taking normal snaps, the quality is fine for everday use, personally I'd never use a mobile phone to take important photos, like holiday photos or family ocassions etc. anyway, you can get a cheap sub-£100 camera that is far better quality than the N95 anyway.

Its a mobile-communications device, not a camera really.

If you're really looking for megapixels and image quality, I'd say save your cash and just get a digital camera, the snaps will be a lot better, even the bottom-end digital cameras have better lenses than moble phones.

When shopping for a smart phone, UI, web browsing, media playing etc. are all far more important to most people, and the iPhone certainly excels here.

If you are interested though, all these snaps were taken with the iPhone's camera:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/iphone_users/

If you're talking about the "2 year old tech" remember the entire N95 is 2 year-old tech really, sure it got the 8 gig upgrade, but the N95 came out in 2006. It is due to be to discontinued any month now too, Nokia confirm this, the
N96 finished and ready to be launched now:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/11/t...ines-high-end/

If you're getting a new top-end phone (that you will no doubt have to live with for the next 12-18 months on contract), personally I would want this years model, not last years, but its the OPs choice.

chocolate_boy · 13-07-2008, 15:12

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I have also wondered about the N96, however, as I have learnt that the N95 had firmware issues, I wondered if getting a phone when it is just out would be a good idea? Or would they have sorted the issues out without the need for later updates?

Plus, I wasn't sure if I would be able to get the N96 for free with a contract for about £30?

The N96 isn't out just yet, but is due before the end of the summer I believe.

I owned an N95 last year, and did find it very buggy, my first model locked up completely and I got the famous "White screen of death" and had to send it back for replacement.

The second phone developed a few faults too, including an annoying issue with the SMS app, for some reason it would hang on the "Sending Message" screen for up to 2 minutes (seriously!) every time I sent a text. I once text my GF to say I was on my way to pick her up, and I got there before the text lol!

Battery life is also pretty poor on the N95, I'd sometimes only get around 12 hours before the battery died, if doing web browsing it would sometimes not even last til the end of my work-day. Mobile operators will tell you this too, infact O2 have started putting out a discalimer telling anyone who asks for an N95 about the battery problems, so they know before taking one.

You could get the iPhone for £99 on a £30 contract, or free on a £45 if you were interested in it, i'd deffo at least go and play with one in-store.

Or wait for the N96, so you're not stuck with a phone that gets discontinued a few weeks after you've got it.

Adrenalyz · 13-07-2008, 15:19

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Yeah I hear that argument about the camera all the time, but to be honest its always seemed a bit dumb to me. Unless you use your mobile-phone as your main primary camera, its a bit of a strange argument.

It's a perfectly normal argument to use when Apple big up their phone so much - just remind them they are using a camera which has quality first seen back in 2006.

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When shopping for a smart phone, UI, web browsing, media playing etc. are all far more important to most people,

No, important to you is what you mean.

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If you're talking about the "2 year old tech" remember the entire N95 is 2 year-old tech really, sure it got the 8 gig upgrade, but the N95 came out in 2006.

It has a better or equal quality camera to phones being brought out this year - only now Samsung and LG are entering the 5mp market.

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If you're getting a new top-end phone (that you will no doubt have to live with for the next 12-18 months on contract), personally I would want this years model, not last years, but its the OPs choice.

It is indeed, and let's hope she gets a phone which has universally functional keys, MMS, you know the basics. That's one thing the Iphone fanboys can't get away from - not everyone can get along with a touchscreen.

I wouldn't say I agree with this guy but I found the following very amusing and true in many respects......

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

NSFW by the way...

chocolate_boy · 13-07-2008, 15:32

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It's a perfectly normal argument to use when Apple big up their phone so much - just remind them they are using a camera which has quality first seen back in 2006.

No, important to you is what you mean.

It has a better or equal quality camera to phones being brought out this year - only now Samsung and LG are entering the 5mp market.

It is indeed, and let's hope she gets a phone which has universally functional keys, MMS, you know the basics. That's one thing the Iphone fanboys can't get away from - not everyone can get along with a touchscreen.

I wouldn't say I agree with this guy but I found the following very amusing and true in many respects......

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

NSFW by the way...

Its looks obvious from the link at the end, you're just a person who dislikes the iPhone for the sake of it? For the sake of not "fitting in" or to be different?
Another RicardoDaForce if you will.

As pretty much your entire post is just centered around photography, megapixels and sending pictures, I don't see much substance to your argument.

The 5megapixel camera aside, the rest of the N95 is still 2006 technology, the iPhone runs rings around it in terms of web browsing, UI, media playback, syncing, music store etc., you know the things people actually want from a portable computer (which the iPhone is).

I think you'd be more happy with a digital camera since photography is so important to you. How many pictures are you taking with your mobile phone on a daily basis then?

I've got a £100 Canon digital camera (with 7 of those oh-so-important Megapixels) and the quality of the pics runs rings around the N95. I'll stick to that for my important photography.

The 2 megapixel cam in the iPhone is more than enough for the kind of pics I take on my phone (bus timetable snaps for reminders, dumb pics of my friends when we're out for coffee etc.).

I just don't think camera quality is the main feature of a smartphone that most people look for to be honest.

13-07-2008, 15:38

I love that site.

13-07-2008, 15:43

n95 was released in 2007. not 2006

chocolate_boy · 13-07-2008, 15:45

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n95 was released in 2007. not 2006

All designed and finished in 06 though

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/26/n...ne-goes-legit/

Adrenalyz · 13-07-2008, 15:46

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Its looks obvious from the link at the end, you're just a person who dislikes the iPhone for the sake of it? For the sake of not "fitting in" or to be different?
Another RicardoDaForce if you will.

Hardly

I'm sure it IS a nice phone but extremely overhyped and and I can't stand that.

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As pretty much your entire post is just centered around photography, megapixels and sending pictures, I don't see much substance to your argument.

So you don't find the opinions valid of anyone who requires a phone to have a good camera? Bit narrow-minded don't you think?

You're missing the point - how can a phone be hyped as much as the iphone when it's not the futuristic phone it claims to be?

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The 5megapixel camera aside, the rest of the N95 is still 2006 technology, the iPhone runs rings around it in terms of web browsing, UI, media playback, syncing, music store etc., you know the things people actually want from a portable computer (which the iPhone is).

So you speak for everyone who wants what you call a 'portable computer' (which, if you want to be pedantic, any smartphone is, and I certainly don't look for all the above in my N95 even though it does a good enough job)?

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I think you'd be more happy with a digital camera since photography is so important to you. How many pictures are you taking with your mobile phone on a daily basis then?

Anything up to 70 really, I'm an insurance claim investigator.

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I've got a £100 Canon digital camera (with 7 of those oh-so-important Megapixels) and the quality of the pics runs rings around the N95. I'll stick to that for my important photography.

That's fine then, keep your futuristic iphone in your pocket.

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I just don't think camera quality is the main feature of a smartphone that most people look for to be honest.

I think you're falling in to the trap of assuming what you want in a phone is what 'most' people are looking for. I'm sure you'll be aware you have no evidence for this.

With regards to the OP, this discussion should indicate it's a case of 'each to their own'. There are some who are happy with their their iphone being inefficient in some areas. Others like myself are happy to use tried-and-tested technology. It's all about what works for YOU.

chocolate_boy · 13-07-2008, 15:53

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Hardly

I'm sure it IS a nice phone but extremely overhyped and and I can't stand that.

So you don't find the opinions valid of anyone who requires a phone to have a good camera? Bit narrow-minded don't you think?

You're missing the point - how can a phone be hyped as much as the iphone when it's not the futuristic phone it claims to be?

So you speak for everyone who wants what you call a 'portable computer' (which, if you want to be pedantic, any smartphone is, and I certainly don't look for all the above in my N95 even though it does a good enough job)?

Anything up to 70 really, I'm an insurance claim investigator.

That's fine then, keep your futuristic iphone in your pocket.

I think you're falling in to the trap of assuming what you want in a phone is what 'most' people are looking for. I'm sure you'll be aware you have no evidence for this.

With regards to the OP, this discussion should indicate it's a case of 'each to their own'. There are some who are happy with their their iphone being inefficient in some areas. Others like myself are happy to use tried-and-tested technology. It's all about what works for YOU.

It is indeed, but as I suspected, its clear from this post that you just want to go against the hype, and its the iPhones popularity that bothers you.

And its not much of an assumption to make, that most people who would buy an iPhone are not looking for it to be a top-of-of-the-range camera. YOU have a specialised job, but I think I can safely "assume" most people are not taking 70 pictures a day on their cell phone.

To be honest any one who cares about serious photography would not have a phone as their primary camera. This much is common sense.

Adrenalyz · 13-07-2008, 15:58

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It is indeed, but as I suspected, its clear from this post that you just want to go against the hype, and its the iPhones popularity that bothers you.

And its not much of an assumption to make, that most people who would buy an iPhone are not looking for it to be a top-of-of-the-range camera. YOU have a specialised job, but I think I can safely "assume" most people are not taking 70 pictures a day on their cell phone.

To be honest any one who cares about serious photography would not have a phone as their primary camera. This much is common sense.

Firstly I don't use a 'cell' phone, I use a mobile phone. Secondly I'm not bothered by any popularity, that's a pretty big leap you're making. All I'm doing is reminding those whose lives seem to have chanced since friday that their phone isn't as briliiant as they seem to think - notice I'm not saying it's a bad or poor phone, it just has its faults and I get a fraction of amusement from iphone owners who fail to recognise that - and in fact are totally blind to it.

It took quite a while for Nokia to get the N95 just right - and now it's here I think most people are happy to stick with a phone which is tried and tested - and has a method of text input that they know they can use.

thickinthehead · 13-07-2008, 16:25

I think we have gone off on a tangent (I didn't even ask about the iPhone), does anyone have an opinion on my other questions? Would I get an N96 free for £30 per month and as I have no idea what 8Gb equates to, would I be able to load tv progs/films onto it to watch on when I am on the move? If yes, how many minutes/hours would 8GB equate to?

btw, I do want a good phone on my camera as like most of the normal population, I don't walk around all day with a full-sized digital camera! Pfffffffffttt

thickinthehead · 13-07-2008, 16:29

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Firstly I don't use a 'cell' phone, I use a mobile phone. Secondly I'm not bothered by any popularity, that's a pretty big leap you're making. All I'm doing is reminding those whose lives seem to have chanced since friday that their phone isn't as briliiant as they seem to think - notice I'm not saying it's a bad or poor phone, it just has its faults and I get a fraction of amusement from iphone owners who fail to recognise that - and in fact are totally blind to it.

It took quite a while for Nokia to get the N95 just right - and now it's here I think most people are happy to stick with a phone which is tried and tested - and has a method of text input that they know they can use.

Good point well made

Adrenalyz · 13-07-2008, 16:30

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I think we have gone off on a tangent (I didn't even ask about the iPhone),

The fanboys get everywhere

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does anyone have an opinion on my other questions? Would I get an N96 free for £30 per month and as I have no idea what 8Gb equates to, would I be able to load tv progs/films onto it to watch on when I am on the move? If yes, how many minutes/hours would it be?

You'd be very unlikely to get the N96 for free on anything less than something like a £45 per month deal - not for a good 6 months or more anyway.

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btw, I do want a good phone on my camera as like most of the normal population, I don't walk around all day with a full-sized digital camera! Pfffffffffttt

thickinthehead · 13-07-2008, 16:34

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btw, I do want a good phone on my camera as like most of the normal population, I don't walk around all day with a full-sized digital camera! Pfffffffffttt

Ha ha, I got so wound up I got phone and camera the wrong way round. How ironic!

Ricardodaforce · 13-07-2008, 17:23

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Its looks obvious from the link at the end, you're just a person who dislikes the iPhone for the sake of it? For the sake of not "fitting in" or to be different?
Another RicardoDaForce if you will.

My dear little boy. I do not dislike the iPhone at all. And I do keep telling you that. I just don't agree that it is the wonder device that you fervently claim it is. I do hope you have a splashproof cover for your one. I'd hate yours to be ruined when you get too excited. Imagine how awful that would be.

agent_c · 13-07-2008, 17:32

First of all, you do use a "Cell" phone. You may hate that as being an americanism, but they are actually more correct in using that term than we are with mobile, as the term Mobile phone can concevably include Satellite phones, as they are mobile too.

I feel he is correct in saying that a camera isnt generally the big feature "smart" phones are sold on. People who are after the camera generally go for the S/E K series, which are sold with their camera being the big feature, hence the term Cybershot being used over the entire series.

The Key features that make a smartphone tend to be Email, PIM syncing, web browsing, and other software features.

Adrenalyz · 13-07-2008, 17:35

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First of all, you do use a "Cell" phone. You may hate that as being an americanism, but they are actually more correct in using that term than we are with mobile, as the term Mobile phone can concevably include Satellite phones, as they are mobile too.

I'm not saying the yanks are wrong.

This is Britain and we should use British terms, therefore 'mobile phone'.

Incidentally a satellite phone can also legitimately be called a 'cell' phone too, seeing as it contains a battery cell.

If you want to use Americanisms then book your one-way ticket there

Ian Kane · 13-07-2008, 18:32

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