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Old 25-07-2008, 12:22
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Don't get me wrong, I love Hollyoaks and I usually think that they research and portray issue based storylines really well.

But am I alone in thinking that this story is ridiculous? It is so poorly thought out and has so many holes in it, I want to switch off whenever I see it.

For starters, there is nothing wrong with Jacqui's eggs, she just can't carry a baby to term. So why would she need to have Tina's biological child? With Tony's money they could have had IVF using a surrogate and it could have been both of their biological child. In fact, this might have been better because the boundaries of whose child it was would have been more complicated and interesting. As it is now, Jacqui is just coming across like some kind of child snatcher!

Also, I was pregnant at the same time as Tina, she was about 2 months behind me yet she gave birth a week before I did! I know soaps usually speed up pregnancies but that is ridiculous. And if the baby was supposed to be so premature, why was it so big and healthy, not have to go into special care, and go home the next day perfectly fine?? Also, Tina appears to have recovered quite quickly from her hysterectomy.

There are other stupid plot holes aswell, like Tina putting Tony's name on the birth certificate. As she is not married to Tony he would have had to attend with her to register the birth in order for her to have put his name on there.

This storyline has made me detest Jacqui, when I previously found her quite likeable. Now she is just a selfish cow, and still has no consideration for how Tina is feeling. And Tina is spineless and pathetic, if she wanted her child that badly she would just take him.

RANT OVER!!
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Old 25-07-2008, 12:32
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I'm not a fan of this storyline either, and it makes Jacqui look completely selfish and uncaring for her sister which is very out of character.
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Old 25-07-2008, 12:34
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Agreed. Also, Tony apparently feels no guilt about his own brother now leading a childless life when Tony already has a son! The other day when he was telling Dom how great it was to start a family? No one would be that inconsiderate!
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Old 25-07-2008, 12:42
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a VERY logic leaping storyline even for hollyoaks. this storyline isnt HORRIBLE, but it is stunningly unrealistic and sseems to do that old soap trick of changing characters and discarding character logic for the sake of story and plot, so much inconsistency in the character department here. the only real downer on the show at the moment, which is weird as, apart from dom, i like most of the characters involved, usually anyway
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Old 25-07-2008, 12:57
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Don't get me wrong, I love Hollyoaks and I usually think that they research and portray issue based storylines really well.

But am I alone in thinking that this story is ridiculous? It is so poorly thought out and has so many holes in it, I want to switch off whenever I see it.

For starters, there is nothing wrong with Jacqui's eggs, she just can't carry a baby to term. So why would she need to have Tina's biological child? With Tony's money they could have had IVF using a surrogate and it could have been both of their biological child. In fact, this might have been better because the boundaries of whose child it was would have been more complicated and interesting. As it is now, Jacqui is just coming across like some kind of child snatcher!

Also, I was pregnant at the same time as Tina, she was about 2 months behind me yet she gave birth a week before I did! I know soaps usually speed up pregnancies but that is ridiculous. And if the baby was supposed to be so premature, why was it so big and healthy, not have to go into special care, and go home the next day perfectly fine?? Also, Tina appears to have recovered quite quickly from her hysterectomy.

RANT OVER!!
The point about Jacqui always whining she can never have kids, when in fact, as you say, she can get pregnant she just carry a baby to full term so she has perfectly functioning eggs, was mentioned many moons ago seeing she lost her baby last August. It was annoying to start with that they started the surrogacy storyline, but when it was made clear Tina would never be able to conceive again, that was when it became really insulting to the viewer!

As you say, Jacqui's eggs and Tony's sperm could be planted in some stranger to produce their baby - a luxury Tina will never have, but of course it's as silly as it is cos that's the storyline. I mean, it's not even Tony's baby of course, it's Russ's! The irony being that Russ's wife (for now) aborted Tony's baby.

Tina threatens to tell the truth about the babies real father, but if she does, Dom will probably leave her. Being turkey basted inseminated with Tony's sperm is one thing, to be naturally pregnant after a shag with Russ is another!
I suppose that sums up the storyline really. I feel sorry for the baby being used like a toy to be fought over by the two sisters ... not to mention the horrors Jacqui is dressing him in and that pram! And now he's got his first soveriegn ring, poor thing!

One thing you can't blame HO for is the size of the 'premature baby'. Unless they use the lifelike dummys they have these days, ALL new babies in soaps look about 2 months old! Never really take that seriously, just like no one can possibly take births seriously when the baby comes out perfectly pink and clean!
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Old 25-07-2008, 13:06
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I don't like this storyline either - they didn't even think about Tina's feelings in the naming celebration they had
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Old 25-07-2008, 13:10
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I have to agree - I've been banging on about Jacqui still being able to conceive on C4 forum Also I noticed the obvious mistake about Tina registering Max with Tony as the father too - he'd either have to go with her or sign a statutory declaration of paternity form to have his name put on the birth certificate if he's not married to the mother and as she did it as a surprise he clearly didnt do either unless they did have a proper surrogacy contract.
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Old 25-07-2008, 13:14
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I have to agree - I've been banging on about Jacqui still being able to conceive on C4 forum Also I noticed the obvious mistake about Tina registering Max with Tony as the father too - he'd either have to go with her or sign a statutory declaration of paternity form to have his name put on the birth certificate if he's not married to the mother and as she did it as a surprise he clearly didnt do either unless they did have a proper surrogacy contract.
Wonder what happens when russ comes into the mix.
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Old 25-07-2008, 13:22
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Agreed. Also, Tony apparently feels no guilt about his own brother now leading a childless life when Tony already has a son! The other day when he was telling Dom how great it was to start a family? No one would be that inconsiderate!

Yes, I can't believe how selfish Tony is being either, especially as it is quite out of character. Mind you, I went off Tony when he stopped seeing his son because Jacqui told him not to.
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Old 25-07-2008, 13:43
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I know! Then Jaqcui was made out to be 'oh so genereous' when she found out that tina was preganant and she then 'allowed' Tony to see his son!
Its really stupid, as if Tina would choose a childless life just to keep Dom? You canfind another husband, shes never gonna have another child, nor will she be able to adopt since she gave up a healthy baby.
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Old 25-07-2008, 13:57
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I know! Then Jaqcui was made out to be 'oh so genereous' when she found out that tina was preganant and she then 'allowed' Tony to see his son!
Its really stupid, as if Tina would choose a childless life just to keep Dom? You canfind another husband, shes never gonna have another child, nor will she be able to adopt since she gave up a healthy baby.
Exactly, I don't believe that Tina would value her marriage with Dom over her own child. Especially when she was angry enough to cheat on Dom in the first place as he hadn't supported her over being sexually harrassed. Also, there is a chance that Dom would forgive her anyway, she is just being bullied into not telling the truth by Jacqui. The scene at the hospital where Jacqui blackmailed Tina over Russ was horrible viewing. I don't know why Tina didn't turn the tables on Jacqui and say that she'd tell Tony that Jacqui had been lying to him that he was the father.

Also, I am annoyed that Myra hasn't stepped in more to support Tina. She knows the pain of giving up a child and knows how upset Tina was, she should have sorted Jacqui out.

Maybe it's because I've just had a baby but I get really upset when I see Tina looking longingly at the baby and want to shake some sense into her. I think I take my soaps too seriously!!
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Old 25-07-2008, 14:23
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This storyline confuses me. I dip in and out of HO so havent followed this all the way through.

Who is the biological mum of Max? I know Russ is his dad but who is his mum?

Was it Tina's egg that was fertilised or was Jacqui's egg put into Tina???
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Old 25-07-2008, 14:25
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The story is abit OTT but its a soap , however I dont like what the writers have done to Jacqui lately
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Old 25-07-2008, 14:52
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This storyline confuses me. I dip in and out of HO so havent followed this all the way through.

Who is the biological mum of Max? I know Russ is his dad but who is his mum?

Was it Tina's egg that was fertilised or was Jacqui's egg put into Tina???
Tina is his biological mum. She just used a turkey baster with Tony's sperm (on christmas day of all days!) to ... do what they do with turkey basters with sperm in when they want to get pregnant!

This is the point we've been making about Jacqui's eggs. She keeps saying she can't have her own kids so she needs someone to have Tony's baby for her, because she acts like her eggs are useless like Tina's now are, but she was told last August when her baby died inside her that she has a wonky womb so she can't carry full term, but there's obviously nothing wrong with her eggs and she could still get pregnant she'd just miscarry.
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Old 25-07-2008, 15:06
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Tina is his biological mum. She just used a turkey baster with Tony's sperm (on christmas day of all days!) to ... do what they do with turkey basters with sperm in when they want to get pregnant!

This is the point we've been making about Jacqui's eggs. She keeps saying she can't have her own kids so she needs someone to have Tony's baby for her, because she acts like her eggs are useless like Tina's now are, but she was told last August when her baby died inside her that she has a wonky womb so she can't carry full term, but there's obviously nothing wrong with her eggs and she could still get pregnant she'd just miscarry.
Ah right, it makes sense now. Thanks Flukie.

So, why does Jacqui want to bring up someone else's child? To hold on to Tony?? Band aid babies never work. Thats selfish. She should give baby Max back to Tina and then use a neutral surrogate for her and Tony. Everyone is a winner then (except Dom of course).
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Old 25-07-2008, 15:09
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thanks for clearing this all up for me as i havent long started watching HO and i thoughy jacqui couldnt have kids full stop. On this note then yeah she is being very selfish as Tina cant have kids now can she?
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Old 25-07-2008, 15:38
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I'm not 100% sure the baby was premature - isn't it that it would be premature if it was Tony's, but because it's Russ's it wasn't?

But yes, a totally and utterly stupid plot.
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Old 25-07-2008, 16:05
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I agree, this plot is terrible, I wish they would just reveal that Russ is the father, as it changes everything. I hope the police get involved if the real father of Max is revealed. I like how this storyline has turned me into a fictional fathers for justice supporter.
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Old 25-07-2008, 16:51
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I'm not 100% sure the baby was premature - isn't it that it would be premature if it was Tony's, but because it's Russ's it wasn't?

But yes, a totally and utterly stupid plot.
wasnt it premature cos Niall pushed her down the stairs? It brought on early labour.

Also Jackie had a hystoremtomy didnt she? I recall her saying somethingt o tina about been in agony after it when tina had hers?
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Old 25-07-2008, 17:27
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I'm not 100% sure the baby was premature - isn't it that it would be premature if it was Tony's, but because it's Russ's it wasn't?

But yes, a totally and utterly stupid plot.
The baby was premature because she conceived in December when she slept with Russ. That's why I found it unrealistic how big and healthy the baby was.
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Old 25-07-2008, 17:31
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i dont like this storyline. so dumb!
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Old 25-07-2008, 17:46
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The baby was premature because she conceived in December when she slept with Russ. That's why I found it unrealistic how big and healthy the baby was.

Max was 2 months premature, Tina wasnt due until Sept
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Old 25-07-2008, 17:54
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Max was 2 months premature, Tina wasnt due until Sept
Thanks, I thought it was something along those lines. Makes it even more poorly researched then, the baby would have to be in special care to be fed, they haven't even developed their sucking reflex by then. Yet Jacqui can just take him home a couple of days later and give him a bottle?
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Old 25-07-2008, 17:54
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Ah ok. I just hope it doesn't drag on too long. My concern is that if Tina gets Max back, will we have to go through the whole 'Jacqui wants a baby and doesn't realise she has healthy eggs' thing again?
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Old 25-07-2008, 18:01
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Ah ok. I just hope it doesn't drag on too long. My concern is that if Tina gets Max back, will we have to go through the whole 'Jacqui wants a baby and doesn't realise she has healthy eggs' thing again?
Tina will prob fight for Max back and when that eventually happens and herself and dom are happy he will find out about Russ
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