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Old 06-09-2003, 13:58
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Is such systems as Kazza lite etc killing music as the record companys are saying?

I think not myself.........Its actually keeping music alive. Before when i used to buy albums.....I always brought the album off by one song i heard on the radio and when i brought it home......I found out the rest of it is cack!

Wheres now i can preview an album before its released and if its good then i'll go out and buy it. One other good thing about peer-to-peer sharing is that i can hear alot of unsigned bands or artist online that i would of never been able to hear on the radio or buy in the shops!.........Its a great way for new bands to get noticed.

I cant believe record companys are complaining and are willing to sue music fans when evidence has shown that people who download tracks of the net usually buy more albums?..........It just doesn't make any sense?!?

I mean over 7 million people download tracks in one week alone in the UK! Thats more then how many singles are sold these days....its phenominal! If the record companys could just smell the coffee and move into the 21st century.........they could use this service and boost sales!

And with much of the mainstream now flurterd by manufactured acts........No wonder people are now flooding to the net to hear alternative to the mainstream pap!

Anyways enough of my rants what do you lot think?.........Is it helping or killing music?

Also read other peoples view on it and see if you agree, click here

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Old 06-09-2003, 14:35
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It goes two ways really, first people download a single and then enjoy that single so they buy the album which is good, but people might hate the song and not bother with the album. It's balances out really, i'm not sure about the record companies using downloading as a service.
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Old 06-09-2003, 14:46
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Originally posted by TOML
i'm not sure about the record companies using downloading as a service.
Why not? It could be done legally......I mean look at that Apple service in America........Its huge over there!.........I cant see why it cannot be done else where?
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Old 06-09-2003, 14:48
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Wouldn't there be a charge involved
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Old 06-09-2003, 14:50
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Originally posted by TOML
Wouldn't there be a charge involved
Well duuuuuh!

I woulnt mind paying if the price is right and SENSIBLE!

I mean in America its only $0.99c
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Old 06-09-2003, 14:54
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Yeh but it ruins the whole getting it the free way which is the WHOLE POINT , plus giving those record company gimps more money is pointless.
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Old 06-09-2003, 16:19
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Originally posted by TOML
Yeh but it ruins the whole getting it the free way which is the WHOLE POINT , plus giving those record company gimps more money is pointless.
? Erm no the whole point in it is to preview and listen to music.........Instead of just listening to the usual mianstream pab
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Old 06-09-2003, 17:32
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No. For example, two days ago I downloaded about 7 seven songs by Maroon 5. I decided I liked them so I went and bought the album the next day. I would not have bought it if I couldn't preview it.
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Old 06-09-2003, 17:33
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Originally posted by NoDoubtJess
No. For example, two days ago I downloaded about 7 seven songs by Maroon 5. I decided I liked them so I went and bought the album the next day. I would not have bought it if I couldn't preview it.
Exactlly its a great way of checking things out before you get it!

Kinda like that AOL free trial thing..........only with downloading.....theres no catch lol
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Old 06-09-2003, 18:00
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Alot of the online stores have links to download songs now to try them out.

It depends on the group. Take say, Kelly Rowland - You might really like a certain song but not the other stuff, that's where I would download something. But take Red Hot Chilli's and you buy the album because if you like a song you will like the album.

There is going to be a Download Chart from october, and then this will be attached onto the main chart next march.

Downloading is just a new way of getting music - like CD's were 30 years ago - Times change!
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Old 06-09-2003, 18:02
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Originally posted by goody2shoes_23


Downloading is just a new way of getting music - like CD's were 30 years ago - Times change!
Yeh times change.....but the music bigwits cant get with it!

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Old 06-09-2003, 18:37
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file sharing apps like kazaa are a great example for band to get their new music heard... for example your friend tells you about a new song you can either download it or not hear it at all i mean how many people would buy a single/album just on what their friend has told them???

so the band either gets their music heard or they dont...
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Old 07-09-2003, 12:18
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Originally posted by goody2shoes_23
Alot of the online stores have links to download songs now to try them out.

It depends on the group. Take say, Kelly Rowland - You might really like a certain song but not the other stuff, that's where I would download something. But take Red Hot Chilli's and you buy the album because if you like a song you will like the album.

There is going to be a Download Chart from october, and then this will be attached onto the main chart next march.

Downloading is just a new way of getting music - like CD's were 30 years ago - Times change!
Yes I would agree with that. Many albums are merely 3 singles and the rest filler (as Sum 41 said) Good albums are ones with songs that are al high quality.

That's why the record industry is scared, coz they realise downloading will harm the artists who cannot be bothered to make a consistently high quality album. As you can imagine, I feel very sorry for them
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Old 07-09-2003, 14:35
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The good news is something is being done about this. Music CD giant Universal is cutting album prices in the US, which should hopefully follow through here soon. They've cut them from £12.99 to £8.25!
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Old 07-09-2003, 14:41
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Originally posted by goody2shoes_23
They've cut them from £12.99 to £8.25!
Thats how much they cost in Sainsburys though lol!

But if only supermarkets like sainsburys and Tescos etc had a large variety of music then i would buy everything form there!

Good on the supermarkets though for making albums cheaper!
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Old 07-09-2003, 15:39
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Personally I don't think file sharing is killing music at all.

I freely admit to using WinMx, and often copy CD's off friends, but IF I find stuff I like (which I often do) then I will always endeavour to buy the official release.

That's me, anyway !
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Old 08-09-2003, 00:17
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I never buy any music, just download it for free. I think the record companies are right to think badly of kazaa etc... Afterall, there are sites out there (Yahoo, BBC) who are giving 30 second snippets of every song imaginable, so why don't these people that want a sample of the sound of an album go check them out here?

I hope I do not get arrested and sent to prison for listening to music while I work away in order to pay my bills and keep my country's economy strong.

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Old 08-09-2003, 09:07
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Originally posted by TOML
Yeh but it ruins the whole getting it the free way which is the WHOLE POINT , plus giving those record company gimps more money is pointless.
but if the record co's have no money, eventually the industry would die, and there would be far less music. which would really be a great shame.

much as they shaft everyone, they are still a necessary evil.

something like the apple i-tunes thing would be ideal if they charged a sensible price. like kazaa but without the junk.

as for is it killing off the industry - i'm not convinced. it may not help, but it can't be the only factor. they promote artists aimed more predominantly than ever at a younger audience, but this younger audience has more to spend its money on than ever before eg mobile phones, dvds, console games etc.

wasn't there that stat that they would sell more ringtones this year than singles?

plus, if their plugging all this market, and providing far less for older 30 somethings who have more disposable income, then their not going to be getting as much of this cash either.

the other thing they seem to like to do is equate downloads with *lost sales*, but its absurd to think people would would necessarily go out and buy something if they couldn't download it. and conversely, i don't think they give enough of a nod to the idea that people are more likely to try something they might not normally, and then go out and buy it if they like it.

but apart form all that, the record co's are pretty much spot on.

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Old 08-09-2003, 09:12
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Originally posted by goody2shoes_23
The good news is something is being done about this. Music CD giant Universal is cutting album prices in the US, which should hopefully follow through here soon. They've cut them from £12.99 to £8.25!
lets hope so - although if you're lucky enough to have an independent record store in your town, cds are usually cheaper there than hmv or virgin anyway.

i just don't think people want to pay £14 or more for a cd - especially if you think how much you get on a dvd compared to a cd for only a few quid more.

if i see a cd for a tenner tho' i'm far more inclined to actually buy it because i don't feel i'm getting ripped off. quite how some in hmv or virgin are as much as £17-18 these days i just don't know.

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Old 08-09-2003, 17:54
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Good news for music downloading fans..........The legal way is coming to us soon!-

http://uk.news.launch.yahoo.com/dyna....html&e=l_news

Well to Windows at least..........But Apple plans to lunch it here sometime next year!
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Old 11-09-2003, 11:18
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I use P2P to d/l dance music from way back that is unavaliable to me now (either deleted or not available in full on cd's) however when it comes to "normal" music I d/l a couple of album tracks and if i like them i go and buy the album.

simple as that

I dont think that its killing the music industry.

just watch MTV CRIBS and see all the cars, jacuzzi's, bling that the stars have (they are definitely still making wedges of cash!!!)
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Old 11-09-2003, 13:29
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if the music industry did die (which it's not going to do, regardless how much the kid at the top of the street downloads), it would mean those making music were in it for the love of it rather than the financial gain.

a dream yes, but god it would be good
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Old 11-09-2003, 18:39
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But how much do itunes want for music?
Nothing is really going to be as good as going into a virtual library and picking any song, book or movie to take out which is what we've got now. And what about newsgroups and private hubs, are they going to take down these as well. Are the RIAA going to use secret agents to get into Direct Connect's best hubs, where it's still in the dark days of 1337 but with only the best quality properly encoded files available, with a policy for no Xing junk?
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Old 11-09-2003, 18:57
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The music industry is killing the music industry by trying to palm off crap that nobody wants to buy. If they looked at the kind of music that's being downloaded it might indicate to them what would sell - or conversely - what people aren't prepared to pay full price for
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Old 11-09-2003, 21:07
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Have you seen what the RIAA are now offering?? An "Amnesty" to all downloaders, who have not been prosecuted, and who promise to sign an "agreement" never to download music again off P2P, to delete all their music downloads from their hard drive and to destroy all CD-Rs they have. The RIAA is also given access to monitor their internet usage in the future. In return, the RIAA doesn't even promise to destroy all evidence agianst them, just not to prosecute for the time being. So the RIAA have them in a headlock for life!!!
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