sounds like an endurance test

Yeah, Democracy's a bitch.

What does he know about Radio?,
i love the way people go on Big Brother and suddenly they are capable of doing everything media related.

What a stupid show to put him on as well, the 80 year olds that listen to the reels and such on that have no idea who he is,
they dont care and they never will.

He can try and get on the media bandwagon, and he can try and make a career for himself, but having no experience in radio and tv other than BB4 means that in 2-3 years time nobody will care.
He should have taken up the Songs of praise offer, at least then he could keep his fat head on the tv, id say he enjoys that, like his Brother who has bad teeth(how he got on tv i dont know).

I forgot to add, i wish he would go back fishing in the north sea, the slimy scumbag.
BTW, if i mentioned to him that BB4 was boring and he lashed out on me, i would kick his head in.

What a refined poster DS is attracting these days.

I enjoyed your posts but sadly the old geezer who has been doing that radio programme has probably decided to hand over the program to Cameron when he dies

yes - i expect Cameron was the first HM in the history of BB to have people vote for him more than once. lucky blighter! no wonder he won it, eh?


yes - that'll be what made all the difference.


all the people in the same job as any other HM voting for that HM.


the local press and radio stations of any HM supporting their *local hero*.


people give a toss what Chris Moyles thinks? i think you give him too much credit.


Do you think Sympathetic English People voted for their *fellow Englishman* in this way? Is the answer *No*?


yes - those morons who were taken in by it all. thank goodness not everyone was tho'.


Is Cameron really What Women Want? crikey


i don't suppose there were people who disliked the idea of Cameron winning who voted for HMs other than Cameron?


are you saying Cameron was the only HM who would have received votes from his friends and family?


yes, i can see how *other* votes would have swung it Cameron's way.

Iain

i doubt many will care or remember in three weeks let alone three years.

its not like him trying to get on any bandwagon, its more likely he was asked to do it, as a gimmick - no real need to read much more into it than that i don't think.

he's having his 15 minutes, and part of this is going to involve doing gimmicky things noone will remember or give a toss about in a couple of months.

so don't panic! cameron isn't actually going to take over the Media World after all.

Iain

do you have issues with repression and violence too then?

Iain

Certainly more refined than Cameron, though that's not exactly difficult.

Stupid people don't count at all.

I still can't bring myself to listen or watch the sham. Have been trying to blank him from my mind. I just looked at some pictures of him at the radio station and wish I hadn't Ughhh.

I was just pointing out that votes doesn’t equate with number of people voting.. And in spite of having the support of a well identifiable fan base and a strong campaign, the results were by no means remarkable. I wasn’t inferring in any way that those people didn’t count. We know Cameron won, which means his supporters did indeed count.

Mentioning figures without a context is meaningless and misleading in my opinion. For example, you are mentioning that he got 57% of the final vote, but if you look at the actual figures in the message following this, the figure only represent his percentage against Ray, being 100% the sum of Ray’s total percentage votes (42.5%) and Cameron’s total percentage votes (57.5%)

That means Cameron beat Ray by 15% (500,339 votes) but that margin is lower if you take into account Scott and Steph’s votes: Cameron won with 44.44% of the overall vote and his margin with Ray (32.91%) is just 11.53%.

Other point of contention is that even this overall percentage figure isn’t absolute figure. We know once a housemate is evicted the amount of votes in favour of that HM is frozen. That means the final pair’s votes are cast for a longer period of time and with the possible crucial addition of votes from people who voted someone else previously. Sometimes the aim to stop someone winning, not as a vote of support. I do remember voting for Kate (who I don’t like much) in order to stop Jonny winning and I know I wasn’t the only one going along this tactical voting.

Also, if we compare this year’s figures with last year's results…they are similar but the big difference is the higher number of votes cast on the night and that the final four contestants were much more popular, so the overall percentage share for the winner was smaller for BB3.

Cameron managed just 111,484 votes more than Alex, the third place in BB3 and he got the advantage of a longer period of time for people to vote for him.

So considering only 4,339,805 total votes were cast during this year final, this could be interpreted as people not bothering to pick up the phone because there wasn’t any HM with enough appeal for them to cast their vote. A massive drop of 4,232,568 votes is very telling IMO.

7.4 million viewers watched Big Brother final at its peak this year. If you compare with 9.9m last year, you could conclude that even there was a significant lost of viewers, people watching the final weren’t so prepared to part with their money on that night due to lack of interest… you can interpret it as disenchantment with BB4 or/and lack of appealing candidates for the winning title. Cameron winning was a foregone conclusion for many of us for weeks before the final. There wasn't much competition.

So considering all above… yes, I still think it was quite a poor result., independently of Cameron winning BB4.

I think you make a very valid point (and thanks for the voting breakdown figures) and personally I think an apathetic audience was the obvious result of the choice of contestants this year. Yes Cameron won, but it was hardly a landslide victory.

Although I might have risked some more money on Kate beating Jonny, after Alex came third in BB3, I felt I had spent more than enough money on voting during BB, and wasn't prepared to give them a penny more.

But if a lot of people were of the same mind as you at the time Tamara, disliking Kate, but disliking Jonny more, this could be another explaination as to why she recieved so many votes at the time.

I neither like or dislike Kate, although I tend to lean more towards the dislike, and sorry Kate fan's but it is fun pulling her apart on here sometimes.

I do remember, although supporting Alex all the way through BB3, after Alex went, jumping for joy when Kate beat Jonny to win BB3, anyone winning BB3 was preferable to Jonny. Jonny not winning BB3 gave me some solace then.

To Iain,

If you read my post again, you will notice that the point wasn’t about who voted Cameron in comparison or relative to who voted other HMs and why. The whole exercise was meant to illustrate in a tongue in cheek way that Cameron getting that amount of votes (not number of individuals voting for him) wasn’t that remarkable acknowledging his strong fan base. Nothing else, nothing more.

And again just to illustrate my point…

You said... "Do you think Sympathetic English People voted for their *fellow Englishman* in this way? Is the answer *No*?"

Iain I do live in Edinburgh (Scotland) and perhaps I am wrong in my perceptions… but I do think it’s much more of an issue for Scottish to support their countryman than it is for English people to support an English person. Pride and others factors are much more significant in groups with a strong identity and with a history of oppression. But of course this comes from a foreign person and you should take it with a big “pinch of salt”.

You said... " i expect Cameron was the first HM in the history of BB to have people vote for him more than once. lucky blighter! no wonder he won it, eh? "

Stating the obvious is becoming a norm with you... ... Of course every HM has their fan base and evidently they will be exercising their fingers on the redial button… but where was I denying or implying they didn’t?

I could go along with all your nitpicking in the others examples I used… but I can’t see the point. If you have bothered reading my post as an answer to another post, perhaps you could have saved yourself some typing.

By the way, I do prefer to read posts as a global answer and not breaking them into pieces without acknowledging the context in which they were written. You seem to have plenty of time to spend on this pet practice of yours, but may I suggest you use a little more of self restrain in the future.

I do spend a fair amount of time replying to you and just to see my posts broken into unrelated sentences you like to comment on, It’s disappointing. I find particularly ironic you criticized one of my posts where I researched the expressions used by Cameron, saying I was too literal and that I should consider the bigger picture.

Shouldn't you be applying your same principles?

Tamara

sorry tamara.

i must have taken it as showing that the only reason a cown like cameron won was because of all those *voting irregularities*, as part of the general *cameron is a complete moron, how could he possibly have won?* thing. i can't think why I thought that tho'

Iain

Cameron 57.5%
Ray 42.5%


Kate 58.0%
Jonny 42.0%


Thats pretty much the same result, what was Anna vs Craig and Brian vs Helen?

Given that repeat votes are allowed and there is voting swapover if eviction 1 and 2 are happening voters move from the loosers to the remaining. Wonder if that always pans out as nearly the same. Has anybody got the numbers?

Just meeting fire with fire Faequeen.

No problem Iain, I was just speaking my mind

... and you can acusse me of lots of things, including bad grammar... but I haven't denied I don't like Cameron or I have tried to pass myself. as the "unbiased voice of reason" within the forum. I do a fair amount of research before posting stuff and I even control my partisan inclinations most of the time to a degree...

Take for example the post I wrote earlier about final voting figures for Cameron... how easy would have been adding...

.... and Jon managed to get 62% of the public vote (517,759) after a surprise vote during a week with not high audience expectations and when some of his supporters had already given up watching BB... in less than 2 hours... Result!

but then you'll come along and you'll say that's because we don't like cameron, we are biased and we choose to believe what we want ... and after a while it becomes tedious to prove I am talking facts or well thought opinions... not "tabloid" language

hey nothing wrong with being a biased voice of reason either

I believe everything tamara says.

so there

Hi Tamara

Thanks for all the analysis and I do take on board what you are saying and agree the voting was disappointing re BB4 compared to previous years ( even if I was happy with the result ).

I do think it’s a shame that Cam is perceived as less of a winner because he polled less votes than the previous winners. He did still fare best out of those that were left in the house and I reckon that without Cam there would not have been much of a show at all. At least he had a very strong personality which people could either love or hate. You need several such people to whip the public up into a voting frenzy and this year I thought all the remaining four were actually quite nice so that just didn’t happen. Ok, maybe people did think the result was a forgone conclusion and didn’t bother to vote (and that could apply to Cam’s supporters as much as his detractors),or maybe they didn’t care who won or maybe they weren’t prepared to part with their cash this year.Who can say for sure ?

What I find interesting is that if you compare BB4 to BB2 the viewing figures were up by 10% although the voting was well down. So clearly a significant number of people just weren’t bothered voting for whatever reason.

thats true, a winner is a winner and Cameron is a winner and no doubt will be given the same sorta opportunities as previous winners