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Old 08-08-2008, 09:10
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Can any panny fans answer this-a friend has a 32" Panny HD, (freeview only) I cant seem to set it so that "Genuine" widescreen is Widescreen, but 4.3 is "Normal" ie NOT stretched. if i set it to "Auto" it still streches the 4.3 to W/s, if i set it to 4.3, even genuine W/s is 4.3 Thanks.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:29
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Can any panny fans answer this-a friend has a 32" Panny HD, (freeview only) I cant seem to set it so that "Genuine" widescreen is Widescreen, but 4.3 is "Normal" ie NOT stretched. if i set it to "Auto" it still streches the 4.3 to W/s, if i set it to 4.3, even genuine W/s is 4.3 Thanks.

I don't have the same model but my 37" Panny has 3 additional zoom settings via the aspect button.Sometimes its best to leave it on auto to let the TV decide on best stretch option.4.3 (particullary an analog picture) always looks crap compared to a widescreen digital one.
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Old 08-08-2008, 10:33
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Yup, but i dont want the TV to "Decide" i want genuine W/s W/s. and 4.3 to be 4.3!
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:22
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Yup, but i dont want the TV to "Decide" i want genuine W/s W/s. and 4.3 to be 4.3!
Well just change the aspect setting by pressing a button to what you want - not difficult
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:48
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Are there no additional settings in the set-up menu for how 4:3 is displayed? On Sony TVs there is. I would be surprised if a leading make like Panasonic didn't also have this.

Post the Panny model number.
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:56
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Can any panny fans answer this-a friend has a 32" Panny HD, (freeview only) I cant seem to set it so that "Genuine" widescreen is Widescreen, but 4.3 is "Normal" ie NOT stretched. if i set it to "Auto" it still streches the 4.3 to W/s, if i set it to 4.3, even genuine W/s is 4.3 Thanks.
What source are you feeding the TV? From its own internal Freeview tuner, or from an external source such as Sky via scart or HDMI?

If it's from the internal tuner, then either the digital channel that is broadcasting the 4:3 programme is sending a signal to the TV to tell the TV that that programme is anamorphically compressed (so the TV is stretching it out), or the TV is broken.

If it's from an external source, then the most likely cause is that the supplier of the source (e.g. a Sky box or DVD player) is not set up correctly in terms of knowing what TV it is connected to, so is sending out the wrong signal, and the TV does what it is told to (even though it shouldn't be told to autostretch in the first place).
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Old 08-08-2008, 15:06
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If it's from an external source, then the most likely cause is that the supplier of the source (e.g. a Sky box or DVD player) is not set up correctly in terms of knowing what TV it is connected to, so is sending out the wrong signal, and the TV does what it is told to (even though it shouldn't be told to autostretch in the first place).

Willie is quite right.

For Panny TVs the best thing to do is to switch to an AV channel with source box, (Sky, DVD etc,) switched off and set the aspect ratio to 4:3. Now switch on your source and make sure that it is setup so that it "knows" the TV is a widescreen. Scart switching will now switch the TV to 16:9 for WS material and leave it as 4:3 for non WS.
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Old 08-08-2008, 15:07
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I think its the same on all Pannies (and many other makes like Sony), certainly my text below describes how my Panny plasma works.

Set the aspect ration to 4:3. If you are on a 16:9 channel then it will show that in 4:3 but as soon as you go into a 4:3 channel and back to 16:9 (or switch the TV off/on) then it will auto switch properly.
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Old 08-08-2008, 21:43
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My Panny LCD switches between ratios with scart controlled devices.

My PS3 is connected by HDMI and that does the ratio changing itself

The Sky HD box requires a manual change on the tv
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Old 08-08-2008, 23:41
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The Sky HD box requires a manual change on the tv
Only if you have the box set to 1080i (or 720p I suppose). If you set it to auto or watch via SCART (for SD) then it will switch.
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Old 09-08-2008, 07:16
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Thanks. ill try as per post 8, its Freeview only, as i posted Thanks
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Old 09-08-2008, 21:10
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Only if you have the box set to 1080i (or 720p I suppose). If you set it to auto or watch via SCART (for SD) then it will switch.
I have Sky+ set to 1080i as the upscaling is far better than anything the tv can do
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Old 09-08-2008, 22:50
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I have Sky+ set to 1080i as the upscaling is far better than anything the tv can do
Obviously that depends on how good your TV is.

If the Sky HD does a better job than the TV then it's a matter of deciding whether it's worth the hassle of having to manually switch every 4:3 programme.
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Old 10-08-2008, 13:27
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Obviously that depends on how good your TV is.
A number of people here have said how poor the Panasonics are at upscaling, which I find surprising - I would have thought a major make like that would be good.
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Old 10-08-2008, 15:02
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A number of people here have said how poor the Panasonics are at upscaling, which I find surprising - I would have thought a major make like that would be good.
On the newer models, I find the upscaling decent on the built in Freeview, component input and HDMI (if SD resolution used on it - eg. 576i). I find that RGB scart signals are OK too, but not quite as good as the ones previously mentioned but I find S-Video, Composite video or CVBS scart upscale to a awful picture
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Old 10-08-2008, 16:22
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but I find S-Video, Composite video or CVBS scart upscale to a awful picture
That's because you're starting out with a crap picture, and if it's poor to start with, upscaling makes it worse. That's why it's essential to make sure external devices are connected via RGB and not any form of PAL (or any other colour system).
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Old 10-08-2008, 18:41
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A number of people here have said how poor the Panasonics are at upscaling, which I find surprising - I would have thought a major make like that would be good.
I can't say that I've noticed my Panny plasma being poor at upscaling, I actually got my TV because the SD picture was very good - I thought as good or better than LCDs costing over twice as much.

Playing a DVD from my Panny DVDR the best setting seems to be 576p for films though its very difficult to see any great difference between that and upscaled 1080 (without switching and doing direct comparisons I couldn't tell you whether it was 576p, 1080i hdmi or RGB SCART). I've tried it briefly with a Sony DVD player and couldn't see any difference there either.

I suspect a lot of the "upscaled being better" is placebo. I doubt many people do double blind trials and there are no obvious distinctions such as exist between composite and RGB.
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Old 10-08-2008, 21:32
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I can't say that I've noticed my Panny plasma being poor at upscaling, I actually got my TV because the SD picture was very good - I thought as good or better than LCDs costing over twice as much.

Playing a DVD from my Panny DVDR the best setting seems to be 576p for films though its very difficult to see any great difference between that and upscaled 1080 (without switching and doing direct comparisons I couldn't tell you whether it was 576p, 1080i hdmi or RGB SCART). I've tried it briefly with a Sony DVD player and couldn't see any difference there either.

I suspect a lot of the "upscaled being better" is placebo. I doubt many people do double blind trials and there are no obvious distinctions such as exist between composite and RGB.
If you are bothered about quality then its obviously logical to compare upscaling capabilities.

When I got Sky HD I tried the settings at AUTO but it was clearly much better at 1080i - even the menu is clearer at 1080i.

I have 2 Pioneer dvdr connected by RGB but the quality is far better at 1080p from the PS3.

Unfortunately I have to watch R1 dvd's non upscaled and although I can tell I sit far enough away for it not to be too intrusive.

The Sky HD pictures are better than either V+ or my Humax PVR - except for ITV1 which is best on the Panasonic tv's inbuilt Freeview
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