[paulpcwindows]

evening film buffs, just watched the films HOSTEL one and two
thought two was a little predictable, and not as good as one. what are your views?

[kingjeremy]

Total cheese but I like them, especially the first.

[paulpcwindows]

must be a no 3 surly.

[Mark A]

Drivel for the hard of thinking.

Regards

Mark

[jules1000]

Nasty stuff imho

[brangdon]

I preferred the second one. It's not perfect (especially the opening), but it felt better balanced and the victims are more sympathetic, and the ending is loads better.

The first one is strongest in the first half, with the gradual descent into unease. It's very slow, and dull to watch if you waiting eagerly for gore, but it has the most artistic merit. The section after that with the stuff going on I felt was uninspired, and the final section was silly, like a bad '70s video nasty. Part of the problem is that none of the boys are very likeable, being basically sex-tourists.

What stands out about both is not the gore, but the mechanics and background of the club. For example, the scene in the first one in which the clients are talking about their purchases. I like the second film more partly because it develops that more, showing us more of the client side of the transaction.

[Tremse]

The first film just introduced the idea of people paying to carry out their ultimate fantasy but had no definite conclusion. I liked the way the second film took the whole idea a stage further. The ending was a little predictable but still satisfying because of the way the intended 'victim' turned the tables on everything.

[Cuppa_Tea]

I would just like to echo with Brangdon said, that is how I feel about the first one.

I was really looking forward to Hostel but was disappointed when I watched it. I gave Hostel 2 a chance and liked that a lot more. The characters were better. The bath scene has haunted me for life though!

[Eliott256]

Hostel 2 was better than Hostel 1, but that really isn't saying much. They were both kind of predictable and trying to shock, but failing.

[jamespondo]

On first viewing the problem I had with the second one was how far fetched it was.The idea that something like that torture biz with internet bidding could exist on such a large scale was incredibly unbelievable.I found the boss came across like a cardboard cut out,foreign villain out of a rambo movie and the opening felt more like a ripoff than a homage of the old horror movie cliche.I won't even start on the hilariously bad dialogue in the last half hour.

Although to be fair I was expecting a similar sequel to Hostel with a realistic feel,not a satire that went it a different direction to the original,even if it did follow the same storyline.
Roth should probably be applauded for doing this.

[UltraViolet]

Hostel was one of the worst horror movies I have ever seen and can't stand it at all. Hostel II was better because I didn't hate the characters but still quite rubbish.

Eli Roth doesn't want to do a third apparently, and there is stuff going around that a straight to dvd third Hostel will be made by different people.

I had an idea for a Hostel III, so suppose that's finished...

[Siebenburgen]

I wasn't expecting much when I watched Hostel. But at the end of it I was surprised, it entertained me more than I thought it would have. Hostel 2 on the other hand is a pile of shit. It is inferiour to the first one. Been there, done that. It brought nothing new to the fray.

[UltraViolet]

It was superior for me because,

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they killed off the last survivor of Hostel, that is all good, killing off the last remaining p***k.

[jonapova]

Didn't like either of them really

[brangdon]

Originally Posted by jamespondo

On first viewing the problem I had with the second one was how far fetched it was.The idea that something like that torture biz with internet bidding could exist on such a large scale was incredibly unbelievable.

Surely that problem is also present in the first film? We didn't see the auction, but it was apparent there were clients who paid. We see a price-list which makes it clear it was a large-scale, global organisation. Why wouldn't it use the internet to deliver bids? (Although as I recall, they might actually have been using phone text messages.)

[Eliott256]

Originally Posted by jamespondo

On first viewing the problem I had with the second one was how far fetched it was.The idea that something like that torture biz with internet bidding could exist on such a large scale was incredibly unbelievable.I found the boss came across like a cardboard cut out,foreign villain out of a rambo movie and the opening felt more like a ripoff than a homage of the old horror movie cliche.I won't even start on the hilariously bad dialogue in the last half hour.

Although to be fair I was expecting a similar sequel to Hostel with a realistic feel,not a satire that went it a different direction to the original,even if it did follow the same storyline.
Roth should probably be applauded for doing this.

I'm sure there are secret websites about

[oxford4eyes]

The first was better than the second IMO love all that gorr and stuff

[gerry d]

I thought the first film was overhyped & overrated.The 2nd film had a better storyline basically because of the backstory & overall was a far better film.

[smeatie]

I loved the first film it drew you into a false sense of fun jokey security that I enjoyed ! , without the po faced comments here young teens like to go wild an have sex /drugs on holidays ...lol
then Bam it hit you with the premise of a Euro Torture club slaughtering them for sadistic kicks ,
I really rated the first film ,second one was Daft !

[jamespondo]

Originally Posted by brangdon

Surely that problem is also present in the first film? We didn't see the auction, but it was apparent there were clients who paid. We see a price-list which makes it clear it was a large-scale, global organisation. Why wouldn't it use the internet to deliver bids? (Although as I recall, they might actually have been using phone text messages.)

I have not seen it in two years so it probably is quite far fetched too if I had another look,however as I remember it was left much more to the imagination about how the torture ring operated making it more believable.
With the sequel you find out that they operate 24/7,from the same location (after somebody had escaped!).
Using techonology the way clients did in the sequel (the guy at work especially) would have been crazy because they were effectively linking themselves to a major murder network that was run so shoddily interpol would have cracked it in weeks

I remember the sequel having many more plot holes than that but it's been a year since I watched it and like I say,2 years since I saw the original.

[brangdon]

We don't know what security was in place. I should think there was a lot of encryption, anonymous relayers, servers in diverse countries, servers running on hacked Windows PCs owned by unknowing virus victims, etc. Perhaps the phone app has a dual use for bidding on EBay auctions, and so is not incriminating in itself.

Interpol doesn't really do investigations, it's mostly a mechanism for exchanging information. The films make it very clear that the local police are involved with the club. It is operating in a very poor country, and bringing in huge amounts of money, which gives them a lot of protection. There wasn't really a need to change location.

Also, they are preying on foreigners rather than locals. Especially the hated Americans. Mostly the locals don't interfere because they don't really care. (Interestingly, in the second film one does care and tries to help a girl, and she rebuffs him.) The clients themselves have every reason to be discrete. That tattoo would be very incriminating.

Ultimately it is fiction, of course. However, we can see similarities to how child porn is spread on the internet (at least in popular imagination), and to how ordinary Germans behaved while the Nazis were persecuting the Jews et al.

Arguably the least plausible aspects are those done for dramatic reasons. It'd be simpler to just grab all 3 victims as soon as they arrived at the hostel, with no need to stretch it out over days grabbing one at a time giving the others a chance to catch on. No need for the girls, either; just say there are girls and the boys will turn up, and more or less have to stay a night before going home disappointed.

[Mott Hoople]

One of the funniest bits in film history was when...

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Beth threw Stuart's genitals to the dog, which then gobbled them up "MISCHKA NIET!!"

Very funny

[smeatie]

brangdon
Good comments ,
I agree I wouldnt be surprised if they are Hostel type clubs operating in ex soviet bloc Eastern Europe or South America , Thailand ..!

[UltraViolet]

If there was a Hostel III, would you like it set in the same sort of place in Eastern Europe, or somewhere else in the world?

Perhaps some place in Africa, seen there's some bad stuff go on in certain areas or maybe parts South America.