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sancheeez
12-08-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“do microsoft make an aesthetically pleasing keyboard?”

lol

Truly, a macboy answer!

Aesthetically pleasing to who? You? Me? The Pope? Not really something you can guage is it?

I do believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

And ....

Style is fleeting. Functionality lasts.

(I actually use a logitech one myself. Looks OK to me. Allows me to type stuff. It's a keyboard FGS!)

The point is ..... at least you have a choice. Apple don't really go in for choice do they? Certainly not in this case ..... it's expensive or nothing!
Sananda Maitreya
12-08-2008
Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“lol

Truly, a macboy answer!

Aesthetically pleasing to who? You? Me? The Pope? Not really something you can guage is it?

I do believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
”

i may aswell say:

overpriced for who? you? me? the pope?
sancheeez
12-08-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“overpriced for who? you? me? the pope?”

No.

Price is quantifiable. Aesthetics are not.

There is no alternative (from Apple) so it's expensive for everyone (that includes you, me and the pope).

Are you seriously trying to say you don't think thats a pretty high price for what they are?

Hopefully this is all a moot point anyway. I presume it uses standard PS2 or USB connections so you can use third party hardware? Please don't tell me they went proprietary on these as well?
Sananda Maitreya
12-08-2008
the price is quantifiable but your contention that it's overpriced ie too high a price is being charged (according to webster) is most certainly not quantifiable by reference to one suitable price for everyone. it may be expensive for you but it's not expensive to me (and no i don't think it's a high price because i think it's by far the nicest looking keyboard i've seen).
sancheeez
12-08-2008
It's expensive compared to similar hardware that will perform exactly the same functions equally as well .... quite possibly better in the case of the mouse. (A keyboard is a keyboard really though isn't it? A £5 one from a supermarket will do the job equally as well as the most expensive one on the market .... some may even admire the £5 one's basic, stark simplicity! )

I bought a more expensive pair of wireless headphones than the basic ones as, functionally, they offered more. But I had a choice at least.

And if you think
Quote:
“I don't think it's a high price because i think it's by far the nicest looking keyboard i've seen”

.... then the next time I use the style over function argument/expression in an Apple related thread you are no longer allowed to disagree with it.

We could go on all day/night really couldn't we.

PS ..... it doesn't use proprietary connections does it? Please tell me it doesn't. The would elevate it from "style over function" and "a bit pricey" to plain old "moneygrabbing"!
Sananda Maitreya
12-08-2008
Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“
PS ..... it doesn't use proprietary connections does it? Please tell me it doesn't.”

it doesn't. so if the design doesn't appeal you can just buy elsewhere.

imacs and mac pros come with a wired keyboard and mouse. you can upgrade these. it's £13.99 extra for a wireless mouse and £20 extra for a wireless keyboard.

with the mac mini the idea is that you use your old keyboard and mouse.
sancheeez
12-08-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“it doesn't.”

Phew.

At least you can use third party items then and not the single (expensive) choice offered by Apple.
CoolboyA
12-08-2008
Anyway, besides your bickering ;]

Is there anything else i should know about my iPod? I have bought a cover for it and am going to invest in a Bluetooth adapter and official iPod dock and remote. My WiFi will be ready by Friday

I have sorted out my music and videos fine. Any good Apps i can get?

Out of interest, how long does it take on average for a movie to d/l from iTunes?
Chris..
12-08-2008
iTunes usually maxes out my internet connection
Terminator is 99p to rent atm
CoolboyA
13-08-2008
Originally Posted by Chris..:
“iTunes usually maxes out my internet connection
Terminator is 99p to rent atm ”

Well, it took me 14mins to download a 260MB TV show...
Shame i don't like Terminator.

I like the song that they have for free this week - The Script: Before the Worst.

It's great That Gotye song was a bit weird...
ntlhellworld
13-08-2008
Originally Posted by Chris..:
“I dislike the iMac due to its looks and slowness. The base model comes with a 2.4 Core 2 Duo. Thats not slow.”

The base model with its 2.4Ghz core 2 duo costs £800. Ive seen computers for £400 with 2.5Ghz core 2 duos. All including monitors and everything.

Nowadays on £600+ computers you are more likely to see a core 2 quad-core processor than a dual core.
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“do microsoft make an aesthetically pleasing keyboard?”

Yes actually.
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/hardware...s.aspx?pid=089
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/hardware...s.aspx?pid=080

-Chris
prl100
13-08-2008
I think we are all a little off topic here, but I would like to put my view forward anyway.

I think Apple has a more closed off way of doing business where both the hardware and software are more carefully controlled in order to ensure a certain level of compatibility and a certain user experience.

This business model provides certain benefits which have value to some consumers, of course this also has some disadvantages which put other consumers off. They are able to charge a higher price for this added value that comes from using this model.

In terms of comparing processors together against their price - this does not have too much value, as speed comes from a combination of different factors not just the MHZ of the processor. Recent speed tests (from Popular Mechanics, USA) have shown Macs to beat comparable PCs at basic tasks such as booting-up, shutting down and program-launch times.

About the keyboard and mouse - nobody has to buy the expensive apple option, the computer fully supports industry standards and you could buy any third party accessory. In fact to the person who asked if the keyboard used proprietary connections - its almost the opposite way round. The iMac in 1998 really pioneered USB connections to plug everything together in an easy and very compatible way. Their keyboards and mice have been USB since then.

I don't know where you are getting your information regarding having to buy keyboards and mice separately - a main selling point of the iMac since 1998 is that you get everything you need in the box, and it is very easy/quick to set up and get going. (current source) The current price for an iMac starts at £799, with a Macbook at £699.

The only thing I can think of is the MacMini which doesn't include any keyboard/mouse - this computer is designed to use all your existing peripherals and just slot in instead your existing PC tower - the price for this is £399.
moisie
13-08-2008
Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“Or £146 if you buy it from ebuyer.

Or down to about £120 in the USA.

Still insanely expensive though.

But .... Microsoft make plenty alternatives to that one at a fraction of the price.

Do Apple do a cheaper version of their wireless keyboard and mouse?”

No, because other companies do.
sancheeez
13-08-2008
Originally Posted by moisie:
“No, because other companies do.”

Such as Microsoft?

Sananda Maitreya
14-08-2008
Originally Posted by ntlhellworld:
“Yes actually.
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/hardware...s.aspx?pid=089
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/hardware...s.aspx?pid=080

-Chris”

those keyboard are ..... well it's all a matter of personal taste


Originally Posted by prl100:
“I think Apple has a more closed off way of doing business where both the hardware and software are more carefully controlled in order to ensure a certain level of compatibility and a certain user experience.

This business model provides certain benefits which have value to some consumers, of course this also has some disadvantages which put other consumers off.”

interestingly, microsoft have (in their submission to the US securities and exchange commission) said that a certain unnamed firm (most certainly apple) using this vertically integrated model is a concern to their business and steve ballmer has said (to his staff) they ought to compete by adopting this model ie having greater control of the combination of hardware and software.

Originally Posted by CoolboyA:
“Any good Apps i can get?
”

remote is pretty cool.
sancheeez
14-08-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“those keyboard are ..... well it's all a matter of personal taste ”



After all our 'discussion' about aesthetics, you come out with that!

Well ..... maybe the Pope likes them .....

Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“remote is pretty cool.”

Pffft ..... old hat. Can't they come up with something original?

I've had a Casio watch (it's standard nerd-wear. I wouldn't be suprised to find a lot of the compuing forum regulars own one. If they don't, they should!) that has learning remote funtions built in for years ..... and it's a lot smaller than an iPhone/iPod Touch as well.
MrKev
14-08-2008
Presumably that remote comment was in jest. You can't seriously be comparing the two things as they're hardly the same.
sancheeez
14-08-2008
Originally Posted by MrKev:
“Presumably that remote comment was in jest. You can't seriously be comparing the two things as they're hardly the same.”

It was partially.

But having read what Remote actually does, I'll alter that to completely.

I was guessing it allowed the iPod to control IR devices. Having looked it up, I see it actually allows you to control iTunes etc .... not just any old IR device.

In which case, my nerd-watch is a totally different bag of fish.

Never mind ..... I should really check what these thing do first but I got carried away with the banter on this occasion.



Mind you, does the iPhone have IR transmission? If it does, I don't see why they couldn't produce and app that turns it into a multi-device IR remote control? I think the Sony P9xx series phones were capable of it ....
MrKev
14-08-2008
Yes indeed, it's more like the Sonos controller really now. Very impressive is remote. The iceberg floating on a see of generally rubbish app store offerings. Jailbreak on 1.1.4 was waaaay better. And it doesn't have IR no.
moisie
15-08-2008
Originally Posted by ntlhellworld:
“Yes actually.
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/hardware...s.aspx?pid=089
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/hardware...s.aspx?pid=080

-Chris”

They look like lumps of plastic with a myriad of different buttons of all different shapes, sizes and styles. Pretty much like most keyboards. Not a fan of the old white apple keyboards but the new aluminium ones are amazing - even better in use.
Matt-08
15-08-2008
Does the iPod Touch allow you to listen to GCap Media stations? Like on the iPhone?
ntlhellworld
16-08-2008
Originally Posted by moisie:
“They look like lumps of plastic with a myriad of different buttons of all different shapes, sizes and styles.”

that is normally what keyboards are made from & look like, lol.

I doubt even apple have changed that.

-Chris
CoolboyA
18-08-2008
That's me got my wireless all set up.
Have to say it's pretty nifty what this wee thing can do!
I'm glad it has a built in spell checker - helps a lot
The only problem was the proper Bebo site. It was really slow to type on, but the mobile version works perfectly.
I have to say it's faster to type on this than a laptop because spell check works as you go, so you don't waste time correcting it after you've written it

I'd say if you can get a 16gb model for around £180 you should definately get one! I say this because for £270 they are not worth it. They may be good, but they're not that good.
Chris..
18-08-2008
I'll probably get one in september
Scrolllock
19-08-2008
Originally Posted by Kargo:
“Believe me, you made a good buy.

I love my iPod Touch, its something you will never get bored of as theres so much it can do. I will recommend the 2.0 Update, I purchased it and its made my touch even more useful - Ive downloaded some brilliant apps from the appstore such as Tuner which can make your touch an Internet Radio that I find works brilliantly considering the price Internet Radio Systems are these days.

I also love an application called 'Ambience' which is basically a series of sounds on a loop to help you wind down and relax. Included sounds are things like crickets, waves, rain and wind and theres a sleep mode so you can time your ipod to shut down after a certain amount of time

Sorry I know im rabbiting on but that just proves my point The iPod Touch has so many great features!”

Kargo I bought the 32gig Touch when it first came out because I didn't like the fact that it did not have the same backlight timer feature as my older ipod video 5.5. The way I use my iPod I found it annoying to have to either set the touch to stay on all the time or set it to blank out after a minimum of one minute but then having to press either button and then slide my finger across the screen to get access to the screen again.

The first option wastes too much battery power and the second is a real pain in the rear to have to constantly do when you are constantly adjusting and search through your iPod every few minutes.

Did they add the back light timer function in the latest software update?I'm waiting for them to do just that so I can ditch my video 5.5 model, although burning dvds to my video is a much better experience because file sizes are smaller with encoding being quicker and the size of the actual video playing on the little screen is big enough for me. That would be another good option, the ability to choose smaller video resolution on the Touch to save encoding time and disk space.
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